Is amalgam (silver tooth filling) poisonous?

[uclaLabrat]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
no the logic is flawed. Humans cannot live without water. humans can live fine without poison.

Don't eat anything organic! Organics contain Carbon and Nitrogen. Those are the only ingredients of Cyanide!

Too much poly-saturated Oyxgen will kill you!

Fixed :-D

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
no the logic is flawed. Humans cannot live without water. humans can live fine without poison.

There are many poisons that humans can live with and without. But being there does not make them a poison. Some poisons are essential! Some of the vitamins are especially bad in high doses. Digitalis is a very dangerous toxin, unless you have certain heart conditions. Then your life is short without it.

Don't eat anything organic! Organics contain Carbon and Nitrogen. Those are the main ingredients of Cyanide!

Too much poly-saturated Oyxgen will kill you!

Anything in excess is dangerous thats obvious and I never challenged that. But making a comparison to water and mercury is ludicrous.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
no the logic is flawed. Humans cannot live without water. humans can live fine without poison.

There are many poisons that humans can live with and without. But being there does not make them a poison. Some poisons are essential! Some of the vitamins are especially bad in high doses. Digitalis is a very dangerous toxin, unless you have certain heart conditions. Then your life is short without it.

Don't eat anything organic! Organics contain Carbon and Nitrogen. Those are the main ingredients of Cyanide!

Too much poly-saturated Oyxgen will kill you!

Would you be opposed to sprinkling small amounts of lead and cyanide on peoples food in restaurants? why not its harmless?

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Would you be opposed to sprinkling small amounts of lead and cyanide on peoples food in restaurants? why not its harmless?

That is tampering. But it still is dose dependent.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Would you be opposed to sprinkling small amounts of lead and cyanide on peoples food in restaurants? why not its harmless?

That is tampering. But it still is dose dependent.

Point is why consider it when there are much safer alternatives....

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
This post shows your ignorance. Mercury doesn't kill in these concentrations. It does cause brain damage. Why should a dentist care if his patients sustain a little brain damage?

Odd then that these same dentists have no reservations with putting amalgams in their own mouths or in the mouths of their family. It's cause they don't care, right? OH SNAP! They're in its for teh evil! :Q

They may not care that much about themselves either. There are plenty of fat doctors. Or they probably buy into the reassurances from the ADA. It feels a lot better and is easier to believe that studies don't show harmfulness (but some apparently do) and go with that.
I'd rather be conservative and stick with no neorological damage vs accepting a little to save money.

Think of all the smart people you knew in college who were 100% sure that LSD, cocaine, heroine, cigarettes, and alcohol are harmless if you don't use too much.

Your lack of logic is horrendous. It's bad enough that I already pointed out (sarcastically) that the only way you could justify your position was if these doctors were evil, now you have to go along with that. :roll:

I hate to break it to you, but everything has the potential for harmfulness. These doctors aren't evil, they're educated enough to know that simple fact of reality, and intelligent enough to know when and how to apply it wisely and to the least amount of harm.
You OTOH are just spreading the FUD that is borne of having only just enough knowledge to be ignorant.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: gsellis
The internet is so empowering to the gulible. The CIA killed Lincoln too.

Are you arguing that mercury is not extremely poisonous? Which part are you arguing.....

I hope you don't eat fish...


Only a very tiny minority of persons (or "certain sensitive individuals" as the FDA says) are susceptible to suffering neurological damage from the minuscule dosage of mercury we're talking about here.

Point is. Why continue to use a poison at all just because you are not noticing the effects. This doesn't make sense at all when there are better alternatives.

Dental composites are not necessarily a better alternative, expect for cosmetic purposes. They're weaker and less resilient, requiring more frequent replacement (every 3-5 years as opposed to every 20 or more), with additional drilling of the tooth at each replacement. Plus, they're more likely to break off and take a large chunk of the tooth with it, possibly requiring more major work (like root canal, crown, etc. -- this actually happened to me with one of my composites on my #13 bicuspid, and 6 years after that I am currently recovering from an apicoectomy because the root canal infected, and you don't want to know how much that fscking sucks).

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: gsellis
The internet is so empowering to the gulible. The CIA killed Lincoln too.

Are you arguing that mercury is not extremely poisonous? Which part are you arguing.....

I hope you don't eat fish...


Only a very tiny minority of persons (or "certain sensitive individuals" as the FDA says) are susceptible to suffering neurological damage from the minuscule dosage of mercury we're talking about here.

Point is. Why continue to use a poison at all just because you are not noticing the effects. This doesn't make sense at all when there are better alternatives.

Dental composites are not necessarily a better alternative, expect for cosmetic purposes. They're weaker and less resilient, requiring more frequent replacement (every 3-5 years as opposed to every 20 or more), with additional drilling of the tooth and each replacement period. Plus, they're more likely to break off and take a large chunk of the tooth with it, requiring more major work (like root canal, crown, etc. -- this actually happened to me with one of my composites on my #13 bicuspid, and 6 years after that I am currently recovering from an apicoectomy because the root canal infected, and you don't want to know how much that fscking sucks).

Now there is a good example...

"New study shows that more people died from choking on their new fillings than from mercury poisoning from the old amalgam. News at 11."

I am done. Invoking the Special Olympics clause.

 

[imported_Baloo]

organic mercury is toxic, not the type used in fillings

 

[markgm]

YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND. THIS IS MADNESS, YOUR DENTIST WANTS YOU DEAD.

That is all.

 

[FoBoT]

technically, mercury is an element, not a poison

 

[markgm]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
technically, mercury is an element, not a poison

Organic Mercury is, but not inorganic Mercury.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
technically, mercury is an element, not a poison

No, it is the trademark of FTD florists.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

Over time, Gold-mercury amalgum can result in an elevated level of mercury in your system. But unless you are exposed to a whole lot of it (e.g., as a dentist), it will not bioaccumulate in your system enough to be toxic.

Back in college, I worked for an environmental chemist, primarily doing water sample analysis. My boss's best friend was a dentist. One day, this dentist comes into my office with a vial of his blood, and asks me to test it for mercury content. He said that his nurses were telling him that over time he was getting more and more crazy due to the buildup of mercury in his system over his 30 years of being a dentist. I filtered the sample to remove platelets, diluted it 10,000X with pure H20 and then ran it through an Inductively Coupled Plasma Mass Spectrometer (basically a mass spec that has a really high temperature heat source and is primarily used for elemental detection at the PPB level). Sure enough, he had 8X the "normal" concentration (~8-10 ppb) of mercury in his blood.

After doing some research, I found out that mercury can actually be adsorbed through the skin, which is probably how so much of it got into this dentists blood. Back in the day, Dentists used to craft gold/mercury amalgam in their offices and roll it around in their hands fingers before implanting it into a prepared tooth. As a result, small amounts og mercury get absorbed through their hands. The mercury level in their blood gradually increases over time because mercury bioaccumulates (i.e., it does not leave the body).

Another interesting fact about mercury relates to Alice in Wonderland. Everyoine who has read or heard of the story knows of the mad hatter. Well, back in the old days, felt used to be cured with mercury containing compounds. As a result, the felt material itself contained trace amounts of mercury. When that felt was manufactured into hats and the hats were worn, mercury would get adsorbed from the felt through the scalp. Over time it would cause deleterious effects, such as senilityt. Ergo, mad hatter.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: markgm
YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND. THIS IS MADNESS, YOUR DENTIST WANTS YOU DEAD.

That is all.

It was already established that the danger from the mercury isn't death but neurological damage. Your dentist doesn't care if you get alzheimer's

 

[Analog]

In other news, life causes cancer.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: markgm
YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND. THIS IS MADNESS, YOUR DENTIST WANTS YOU DEAD.

That is all.

It was already established that the danger from the mercury isn't death but neurological damage. Your dentist doesn't care if you get alzheimer's

you, nor anyone else, will be getting alzheimer's disease from the fillings in your teeth.

 

[gotsmack]

I've had something like 12 mercury fillings. The dentist wouldn't remove them unless I said "For cosmetic reasons".

Anyway, I had a few symptoms of mercury poisoning and now that I had them removed the problems have gone away. Draw your own conclusions, but it was worth the 2K I spent to have it done.

Look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning and if you have at least 3 of them, I would look into having the mercury fillings removed. Here is a starter list:


1. Psychological Disturbances (erethysm)
Irritability, Nervousness, Fits of Anger, Memory Loss, Lack of Attention, Depression, Low Self Confidence, Anxiety, Drowsiness, Shyness/timidity, Decline of Intellect, Insomnia, Low Self Control.

2. Oral Cavity Disorders
Bleeding Gums, White Patches - Mouth, Stomatitis, Bone Loss Around Teeth, Loosening of Teeth, Ulcers of Gums- Palate- Tongue, Excessive Saliva, Burning of Mouth, Foul Breath, Gum Pigmentation, Metalic Taste.

3. Gastrointestinal Effects
Abdominal Cramps, Colitis, Crohn's disease, Gastrointestinal Problems, Diarrhea.

4. Systemic Effects
Cardiovascular, Irregular Heart Beat, Changes in Blood Pressure, Feeble or Irregular Pulse, Pain or Pressure in Chest

5. Neurological
Chronic or Frequent Headaches, Dizziness, Ringing or Noises in Ears, Fine Tremors (Hands, Feet, Eye Lids, Tongue)

6. Respiratory
Persistent Cough, Emphysema, Shallow or Irregular Breathing.

7. Immunological
Allergies, Asthma, Rhinitis, Sinusitis, Swollen Lymph Nodes in Neck

8. Endocrine
Subnormal Temperature, Cold Clammy Hands & Feet, Excessive Perspiration, Muscle Weakness, Fatigue, Hypoxia, Edema, Loss of Appetite, Loss of Weight, Joint Pain

 

[markgm]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
I've had something like 12 mercury fillings. The dentist wouldn't remove them unless I said "For cosmetic reasons".

Anyway, I had a few symptoms of mercury poisoning and now that I had them removed the problems have gone away. Draw your own conclusions, but it was worth the 2K I spent to have it done.

Look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning and if you have at least 3 of them, I would look into having the mercury fillings removed. Here is a starter list:


1. Psychological Disturbances (erethysm)
Irritability, Nervousness, Fits of Anger, Memory Loss, Lack of Attention, Depression, Low Self Confidence, Anxiety, Drowsiness, Shyness/timidity, Decline of Intellect, Insomnia, Low Self Control.

2. Oral Cavity Disorders
Bleeding Gums, White Patches - Mouth, Stomatitis, Bone Loss Around Teeth, Loosening of Teeth, Ulcers of Gums- Palate- Tongue, Excessive Saliva, Burning of Mouth, Foul Breath, Gum Pigmentation, Metalic Taste.

3. Gastrointestinal Effects
Abdominal Cramps, Colitis, Crohn's disease, Gastrointestinal Problems, Diarrhea.

4. Systemic Effects
Cardiovascular, Irregular Heart Beat, Changes in Blood Pressure, Feeble or Irregular Pulse, Pain or Pressure in Chest

5. Neurological
Chronic or Frequent Headaches, Dizziness, Ringing or Noises in Ears, Fine Tremors (Hands, Feet, Eye Lids, Tongue)

6. Respiratory
Persistent Cough, Emphysema, Shallow or Irregular Breathing.

7. Immunological
Allergies, Asthma, Rhinitis, Sinusitis, Swollen Lymph Nodes in Neck

8. Endocrine
Subnormal Temperature, Cold Clammy Hands & Feet, Excessive Perspiration, Muscle Weakness, Fatigue, Hypoxia, Edema, Loss of Appetite, Loss of Weight, Joint Pain

Not this thread again. People get more than 10 of those by taking a sugar pill. :roll:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: markgm

Originally posted by: gotsmack
I've had something like 12 mercury fillings. The dentist wouldn't remove them unless I said "For cosmetic reasons".

Anyway, I had a few symptoms of mercury poisoning and now that I had them removed the problems have gone away. Draw your own conclusions, but it was worth the 2K I spent to have it done.

Look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning and if you have at least 3 of them, I would look into having the mercury fillings removed. Here is a starter list:


1. Psychological Disturbances (erethysm)
Irritability, Nervousness, Fits of Anger, Memory Loss, Lack of Attention, Depression, Low Self Confidence, Anxiety, Drowsiness, Shyness/timidity, Decline of Intellect, Insomnia, Low Self Control.

2. Oral Cavity Disorders
Bleeding Gums, White Patches - Mouth, Stomatitis, Bone Loss Around Teeth, Loosening of Teeth, Ulcers of Gums- Palate- Tongue, Excessive Saliva, Burning of Mouth, Foul Breath, Gum Pigmentation, Metalic Taste.

3. Gastrointestinal Effects
Abdominal Cramps, Colitis, Crohn's disease, Gastrointestinal Problems, Diarrhea.

4. Systemic Effects
Cardiovascular, Irregular Heart Beat, Changes in Blood Pressure, Feeble or Irregular Pulse, Pain or Pressure in Chest

5. Neurological
Chronic or Frequent Headaches, Dizziness, Ringing or Noises in Ears, Fine Tremors (Hands, Feet, Eye Lids, Tongue)

6. Respiratory
Persistent Cough, Emphysema, Shallow or Irregular Breathing.

7. Immunological
Allergies, Asthma, Rhinitis, Sinusitis, Swollen Lymph Nodes in Neck

8. Endocrine
Subnormal Temperature, Cold Clammy Hands & Feet, Excessive Perspiration, Muscle Weakness, Fatigue, Hypoxia, Edema, Loss of Appetite, Loss of Weight, Joint Pain

Not this thread again. People get more than 10 of those by taking a sugar pill. :roll:

not saying he doesn't have a legitimate allergy to mercury, but i do hope he doesn't eat much seafood, canned tuna and the like. you get A LOT more mercury there and it would definitely make his "symptoms" flare up.

 

[Drako]

Hypochondriacs and Cyberchondriacs FTL.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: markgm

Originally posted by: gotsmack
I've had something like 12 mercury fillings. The dentist wouldn't remove them unless I said "For cosmetic reasons".

Anyway, I had a few symptoms of mercury poisoning and now that I had them removed the problems have gone away. Draw your own conclusions, but it was worth the 2K I spent to have it done.

Look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning and if you have at least 3 of them, I would look into having the mercury fillings removed. Here is a starter list:


1. Psychological Disturbances (erethysm)
Irritability, Nervousness, Fits of Anger, Memory Loss, Lack of Attention, Depression, Low Self Confidence, Anxiety, Drowsiness, Shyness/timidity, Decline of Intellect, Insomnia, Low Self Control.

2. Oral Cavity Disorders
Bleeding Gums, White Patches - Mouth, Stomatitis, Bone Loss Around Teeth, Loosening of Teeth, Ulcers of Gums- Palate- Tongue, Excessive Saliva, Burning of Mouth, Foul Breath, Gum Pigmentation, Metalic Taste.

3. Gastrointestinal Effects
Abdominal Cramps, Colitis, Crohn's disease, Gastrointestinal Problems, Diarrhea.

4. Systemic Effects
Cardiovascular, Irregular Heart Beat, Changes in Blood Pressure, Feeble or Irregular Pulse, Pain or Pressure in Chest

5. Neurological
Chronic or Frequent Headaches, Dizziness, Ringing or Noises in Ears, Fine Tremors (Hands, Feet, Eye Lids, Tongue)

6. Respiratory
Persistent Cough, Emphysema, Shallow or Irregular Breathing.

7. Immunological
Allergies, Asthma, Rhinitis, Sinusitis, Swollen Lymph Nodes in Neck

8. Endocrine
Subnormal Temperature, Cold Clammy Hands & Feet, Excessive Perspiration, Muscle Weakness, Fatigue, Hypoxia, Edema, Loss of Appetite, Loss of Weight, Joint Pain

Not this thread again. People get more than 10 of those by taking a sugar pill. :roll:

Well, if you suddenly develop 10 of these symptoms from a sugar pill then there is certainly a problem. If you are young and have at least 3 from the above list as reoccurring symptoms, then there certainly is a reason to at least investigate mercury poisoning as a possibility.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: markgm

Originally posted by: gotsmack
I've had something like 12 mercury fillings. The dentist wouldn't remove them unless I said "For cosmetic reasons".

Anyway, I had a few symptoms of mercury poisoning and now that I had them removed the problems have gone away. Draw your own conclusions, but it was worth the 2K I spent to have it done.

Look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning and if you have at least 3 of them, I would look into having the mercury fillings removed. Here is a starter list:


1. Psychological Disturbances (erethysm)
Irritability, Nervousness, Fits of Anger, Memory Loss, Lack of Attention, Depression, Low Self Confidence, Anxiety, Drowsiness, Shyness/timidity, Decline of Intellect, Insomnia, Low Self Control.

2. Oral Cavity Disorders
Bleeding Gums, White Patches - Mouth, Stomatitis, Bone Loss Around Teeth, Loosening of Teeth, Ulcers of Gums- Palate- Tongue, Excessive Saliva, Burning of Mouth, Foul Breath, Gum Pigmentation, Metalic Taste.

3. Gastrointestinal Effects
Abdominal Cramps, Colitis, Crohn's disease, Gastrointestinal Problems, Diarrhea.

4. Systemic Effects
Cardiovascular, Irregular Heart Beat, Changes in Blood Pressure, Feeble or Irregular Pulse, Pain or Pressure in Chest

5. Neurological
Chronic or Frequent Headaches, Dizziness, Ringing or Noises in Ears, Fine Tremors (Hands, Feet, Eye Lids, Tongue)

6. Respiratory
Persistent Cough, Emphysema, Shallow or Irregular Breathing.

7. Immunological
Allergies, Asthma, Rhinitis, Sinusitis, Swollen Lymph Nodes in Neck

8. Endocrine
Subnormal Temperature, Cold Clammy Hands & Feet, Excessive Perspiration, Muscle Weakness, Fatigue, Hypoxia, Edema, Loss of Appetite, Loss of Weight, Joint Pain

Not this thread again. People get more than 10 of those by taking a sugar pill. :roll:

Well, if you suddenly develop 10 of these symptoms from a sugar pill then there is certainly a problem. If you are young and have at least 3 from the above list as reoccurring symptoms, then there certainly is a reason for concern.

did you go to an allergic to see if you had a mercury/metal allergy?

edit: i thought not.

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Originally posted by: markgm

Originally posted by: gotsmack
I've had something like 12 mercury fillings. The dentist wouldn't remove them unless I said "For cosmetic reasons".

Anyway, I had a few symptoms of mercury poisoning and now that I had them removed the problems have gone away. Draw your own conclusions, but it was worth the 2K I spent to have it done.

Look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning and if you have at least 3 of them, I would look into having the mercury fillings removed. Here is a starter list:


1. Psychological Disturbances (erethysm)
Irritability, Nervousness, Fits of Anger, Memory Loss, Lack of Attention, Depression, Low Self Confidence, Anxiety, Drowsiness, Shyness/timidity, Decline of Intellect, Insomnia, Low Self Control.

2. Oral Cavity Disorders
Bleeding Gums, White Patches - Mouth, Stomatitis, Bone Loss Around Teeth, Loosening of Teeth, Ulcers of Gums- Palate- Tongue, Excessive Saliva, Burning of Mouth, Foul Breath, Gum Pigmentation, Metalic Taste.

3. Gastrointestinal Effects
Abdominal Cramps, Colitis, Crohn's disease, Gastrointestinal Problems, Diarrhea.

4. Systemic Effects
Cardiovascular, Irregular Heart Beat, Changes in Blood Pressure, Feeble or Irregular Pulse, Pain or Pressure in Chest

5. Neurological
Chronic or Frequent Headaches, Dizziness, Ringing or Noises in Ears, Fine Tremors (Hands, Feet, Eye Lids, Tongue)

6. Respiratory
Persistent Cough, Emphysema, Shallow or Irregular Breathing.

7. Immunological
Allergies, Asthma, Rhinitis, Sinusitis, Swollen Lymph Nodes in Neck

8. Endocrine
Subnormal Temperature, Cold Clammy Hands & Feet, Excessive Perspiration, Muscle Weakness, Fatigue, Hypoxia, Edema, Loss of Appetite, Loss of Weight, Joint Pain

Not this thread again. People get more than 10 of those by taking a sugar pill. :roll:

Well, if you suddenly develop 10 of these symptoms from a sugar pill then there is certainly a problem. If you are young and have at least 3 from the above list as reoccurring symptoms, then there certainly is a reason for concern.

did you go to an allergic to see if you had a mercury/metal allergy?

edit: i thought not.

you mean an allergy doctor? No I didn't. I didn't have any of the what I think are serious symptoms. I had a the swollen nymph nodes in the neck every few months and when I went to the specialist when it got really bad she would give me a shot and then it would get better.

That was the most serious symptom I had. The other minors ones which went away were the metallic taste in my mouth and bad breath. I also heard a ringing in my ears that I would get from time to time, but I won't count that one.

 

[FoBoT]

i believe gotsmack, what other explaination is there for his supporting Joe Biden? has to be mercury poisoning