You know I've been thinking the same thing.How soon before we start paying more for AMD's offerings??
AMD it seems always starts out with unreasonable pricing for performance on the day of release of new chips, then they seemingly gauge the market response and adjust the price accordingly. FX 9xxx series anyone? $1000 dollar chip knocked down to $260 bucks in a matter of what..3 months?
Even SR cannot clock past 4Ghz (stock speeds).
BTW if intel didn't scam AMD with the whole mafia tactics where they were slapped with billions in fines do you think there would be such a huge gap in performance today?
Sub-note; SOITEC expects 1.075M(million) wafers to be used per year by 2017 for 28FD.
SOITEC said:http://www.soitec.com/pdf/h114-15_results_cp_eng_final.pdf
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SamsungFoundry or GlobalFoundries demonstrate the positive momentum for Soitec's technological solutions, but needs to translate into mass adoption by fabless chip suppliers in order to generate sufficient revenue for Soitec, directly or from royalties paid by its licensees.
Short term visibility remains limited to the second half of the current financial year and Electronic Division confirms full year sales guidance to be flat compared to last year. This limited visibility for digital sales outlook will be partially offset by the strong continuous adoption of Soitec technologies for RF and mobility applications.
I'd say that we are at least 9 months away from any meaningful movement in terms of SOI prospects.
Considering how much AMD is hurting for cash, they'll likely charge more if it performs better, rather than forcing Intel to lower their prices to compete.
$190 7850K's, anyone?
Not even remotely close.
This especially ...
AMD will fail to deliver once again for Excavator and maybe even Zen ...
You keep making up lies.
How does this have anything to do with this thread?? Stop trolling!!
It's got EVERYTHING to do with this thread here ...
Stop dismissing the reality just because you don't like it and I'm certainly not going to be all wishy washy to pander to your rubbish. AMD champions like yourself should know why better than anyone else if you look at their history.
What other options are there for AMD when their CPUs and APUs are colossal failures ?
Time and Time again has kept proving that AMD keeps failing to deliver so how exactly is Excavator going to be different ?
This especially ...
AMD will fail to deliver once again for Excavator and maybe even Zen ...
It's got EVERYTHING to do with this thread here ...
Stop dismissing the reality just because you don't like it and I'm certainly not going to be all wishy washy to pander to your rubbish. AMD champions like yourself should know why better than anyone else if you look at their history.
What other options are there for AMD when their CPUs and APUs are colossal failures ?
Time and Time again has kept proving that AMD keeps failing to deliver so how exactly is Excavator going to be different ?
We've met our goal to double our commercial client design wins from last year, and are pleased with the initial progress we are making to build a richer mix in our PC business. New commercial client offerings from Dell, HP, Lenovo have started ramping, resulting in approximately a 50% increase in our commercial APU shipments from the second quarter.
We also improved our notebook APU mix in the quarter, as our Kaveri processors ramped in mobile design wins and our higher-end mobile processor unit shipments increased nearly 50% from the second quarter. Mobile discrete GPU unit shipments also increased from the second quarter, as new design wins entered production.
We also improved our notebook APU mix in the quarter, as our Kaveri processors ramped in mobile design wins and our higher-end mobile processor unit shipments increased nearly 50% from the second quarter.
Even if it matched an 2500K at stock it would still be a vastly inferior CPU unless it also overclocks by as much as 2500k. 40% OC was quite easy on those things.
SOITEC doesn't expect anything.
Christophe Maleville has been Senior Vice President of Soitec’s Microelectronics BU since 2010. He joined Soitec in 1993 and was a driving force behind the company’s joint research activities with CEA-Leti. For several years, he led new SOI process development, oversaw SOI technology transfer from R&D to production, and managed customer certifications. He also served as Vice President, SOI Products Platform at Soitec, working closely with key customers worldwide. He has authored or co-authored more than 30 papers and also holds some 30 patents. He has a PhD in microelectronics from the Grenoble Institute of Technology and obtained an Executive MBA from INSEAD.The industry’s current installed capacity is in the range of one million 300mm SOI wafers/year. However, the wafer suppliers are ready to expand capacity to meet market demand, so we could easily reach two million in well under a year, and continue ramping rapidly from there. It’s perhaps worth understanding that the equipment and materials needed to manufacture SOI wafers are standard industry hardware and materials – there are no exotic parts to the manufacturing equipment nor rare materials that could cause bottlenecks in the processes we use to manufacture the SOI wafers.
Given the severe lack of design wins that AMD has (does a laptop with a FX-7xxx APU even exist?)
all that "shipments increasing by 50%" probably means is that instead selling a total of two hundred of those chips commercially, they're now selling three hundred. Big whoop.
Q2 2014In our personal computing business, our mobile APU unit shipments increased sequentially in the first quarter as our customers prepared to introduce notebooks powered by our newest Beema and Kaveri APUs.
In the desktop channel, we continue to build momentum in the upper part of our portfolio as we enrich our product mix. Our high-end A8 and A10 APUs had a second straight quarter of record unit shipments. We continue to build a stronger desktop portfolio, ramping our high-end Kaveri APU and introducing our first low-powered socketed APU for the desktop channel this past quarter. We expect these APUs will drive revenue growth in the coming quarters.
Q3 2014In the second quarter AMD’s overall microprocessor unit shipments increased sequentially for the first time in four quarters, driven by the introduction of new notebook from Acer, Dell, HP, Lenovo and others powered by our latest Vima and Kaveri APUs. We also launched AMD’s Pro A-Series APU in the quarter and remain on track to more than double the number of AMD-based commercial offerings available by the end of the year. HP has already announced a full range of elite commercial offerings powered by AMD and additional OEMs will begin rolling out AMD-powered commercial offerings this quarter.In the desktop space, demand for our desktop APUs was strong from our OEMs; however, the desktop component channel was softer than we expected. We believe that with the expansion of our A-series APU portfolio and continued ramp of our first lower-powered socketed desktop APU, this business was strengthened over the coming quarters. Overall, we saw the first sequential revenue increase for our computing solution segment in four quarters. Our PC strategy remains focused on developing profitability by diversifying into the commercial stabilizing the overall PC business and leveraging the channel to deliver profitability.
----------------------------Earlier this year, we laid out several important objectives to improve the financial performance of this segment. These include expanding in the commercial client market, improving our mix in consumer notebooks, gaining share in professional graphics and increasing component and AIB channel sales.
We've met our goal to double our commercial client design wins from last year, and are pleased with the initial progress we are making to build a richer mix in our PC business. New commercial client offerings from Dell, HP, Lenovo have started ramping, resulting in approximately a 50% increase in our commercial APU shipments from the second quarter.
We also improved our notebook APU mix in the quarter, as our Kaveri processors ramped in mobile design wins and our higher-end mobile processor unit shipments increased nearly 50% from the second quarter. Mobile discrete GPU unit shipments also increased from the second quarter, as new design wins entered production.
Also don't forget the fact that absolutely ZERO retailers reflected AMD's putative price drops on boxed APUs from last month, simply because said retailers have absolutely no way to clear out existing stock that was purchased at the earlier (and higher) wholesale price point.
Also don't forget the fact that absolutely ZERO retailers reflected AMD's putative price drops on boxed APUs from last month, simply because said retailers have absolutely no way to clear out existing stock that was purchased at the earlier (and higher) wholesale price point.
So they say that they are ready to expand supply but didn't yet commit to do so. Doesn't sound much confident, does it?Christophe Maleville has been Senior Vice President of Soitecs Microelectronics BU since 2010. He joined Soitec in 1993 and was a driving force behind the companys joint research activities with CEA-Leti. For several years, he led new SOI process development, oversaw SOI technology transfer from R&D to production, and managed customer certifications. He also served as Vice President, SOI Products Platform at Soitec, working closely with key customers worldwide. He has authored or co-authored more than 30 papers and also holds some 30 patents. He has a PhD in microelectronics from the Grenoble Institute of Technology and obtained an Executive MBA from INSEAD.
It's got EVERYTHING to do with this thread here ...
Stop dismissing the reality just because you don't like it and I'm certainly not going to be all wishy washy to pander to your rubbish. AMD champions like yourself should know why better than anyone else if you look at their history.
What other options are there for AMD when their CPUs and APUs are colossal failures ?
Time and Time again has kept proving that AMD keeps failing to deliver so how exactly is Excavator going to be different ?
First off stop with all the name calling its very rude and very unbecoming of you.Next you need to stop with the trolling before you get your self ban.I am by no means a AMD champion as you so call tell everyone.I happen to have more Intel Pc's then AMD and happen to like any and all companies that have anything to do with electronics and computer components.This thread is about "if a 960K can compete with a 2500K" "Not Company Bashing" And "Personal Attacks" for people who purchase from a company you clearly have issues with.If you must know I am a fan boy of Raspberry Pi and Mini Pc's from Arm mostly so do you have something rude to say about that as well??Now with that said let me ask you a question.How do you figure AMD's Apu's are a colossal failure?? I think they fine for the price and could use a boost on the cpu side of the apu but as far as the Gpu side goes this is a pretty neat idea and works well with most games for most people who purchase them who cant otherwise afford to purchase anything more expensive like a discrete graphics card.