Is AMD 960K Athlon Excavator likely to beat intel 2500K sandy bridge?

[Arachnotronic]

I try to use "APU" for when it integrates the GPU and NB, but not SB/PCH/FCH... but yeah, it's all just marketing terms for the most part!

I hear ya, NTMBK. No worries :thumbsup:

 

[Phynaz]

Ah, the penny drops...

Bingo!

 

[Abwx]

Why you would think Dell/HP would put an AMD APU in their systems when the majority of people purchasing these systems are purchasing it for general day to day tasks and NOT for gaming is beyond me.

Thoses PCs do not need powerfull CPUs, so if the GPU doesnt matter neither does the CPU, but i guess that the point is to downplay anything AMD do better, and of course point Intel s strengths as the relevant parameters...

Single thread gospel someone..??.

 

[Yuriman]

Children getting gift computers from parents are not the majority of the market, and are thus not generally targeted. Money talks, and it's no accident that Intel (and AMD) makes what they make, and prices it as they do.

 

[AtenRa]

Self-promotion is not allowed
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You cannot post an article that you have written.

That's is self promotion.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Yuriman]

^ That's using the iGPU, yes? We all know Intel has poor performance density and poor performance per watt with their iGPU designs right now. How does it compare to nVidia, or their discrete GPUs?

 

[AtenRa]

^ That's using the iGPU, yes? We all know Intel has poor performance density and poor performance per watt with their iGPU designs right now.

We are talking about ATI, that means GPUs.

Edit: Unfortunately, NVIDIA doesnt have a x86 APU to compare it.

 

[ShintaiDK]

*snip*

If it wasnt because you are promoting the site you also write for with your own benchmark numbers, then the numbers you link could have had credibility.

 

[tential]

Thoses PCs do not need powerfull CPUs, so if the GPU doesnt matter neither does the CPU, but i guess that the point is to downplay anything AMD do better, and of course point Intel s strengths as the relevant parameters...

Single thread gospel someone..??.

So what you're saying is, vendors should deliver a weaker CPU, and deliver a stronger GPU, even though most people do not want or need a stronger GPU.

That's what AMD said too... look where that got them.

 

[Gikaseixas]

If it wasnt because you are promoting the site you also write for with your own benchmark numbers, then the numbers you link could have had credibility.

Refute or challenge the numbers (that's ok), don't just dismiss them just because they come from a source you dislike.

 

[Insomniator]

I just don't get why we care about the iGPU numbers on Intel. All of these threads, I just don't get it. Even basic gaming is so much better served with a cheap discrete GPU regardless if you pick AMD or Intel.

We all know Intel's iGPUs suck, but its not meant for any gaming, and Intel doesn't claim they are. If AMD APU's were putting up say Geforce 750 type numbers for the same price as an i3 with a 4600 then yeah lets discuss it. But all i see are cheap AMD APU's putting out better but still terrible gaming performance with a cult following of people that seem to claim they are the future.

In all situations except very low end where 50$ makes all the difference in the world, pay for an Intel chip with a discrete GPU and get drastically better performance. If AMD releases a CPU equal to an i3 with an iGPU equal to a Geforce 750 for 100 bucks or whatever then bam, I'm in the AMD APU camp for low end.

Its not brand preference to me, it just seems obvious the numbers don't work for current APU's.

 

[Arachnotronic]

We all know Intel's iGPUs suck, but its not meant for any gaming, and Intel doesn't claim they are.

Intel promotes how fast its Iris Pro GPUs are, claiming that it's "faster than 80% of discrete."

I personally have not used Iris Pro but benchmarks suggest that it's decent, but not great. Maybe Gen. 8 Iris Pro will be more compelling, but for a desktop the value prop isn't there relative to a cheap dGPU.

 

[AtenRa]

If it wasnt because you are promoting the site you also write for with your own benchmark numbers, then the numbers you link could have had credibility.

So the numbers bellow from the same review doesn't have credibility as well ???






You cannot post an article that you have written.

That's is self promotion.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[ShintaiDK]

Intel promotes how fast its Iris Pro GPUs are, claiming that it's "faster than 80% of discrete."

Got a citation on that?

 

[ShintaiDK]

So the numbers bellow from the same review doesn't have credibility as well ???

No.

 

[dahorns]

Got a citation on that?

Happened at the investor's conference last month. Pretty sure there was a slide too.

 

[AtenRa]

But all i see are cheap AMD APU's putting out better but still terrible gaming performance with a cult following of people that seem to claim they are the future.

Just a few games at 1080p, and this is only the A10-7700K






You cannot post an article that you have written.

That's is self promotion.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Sweepr]

When a 28nm PLANAR has higher perf/watt than 22nm FinFet, then you know it was worth it.

What a ridiculous comparison. Everybody knows Intel's Gen 7.5 gfx architecture lacks in the perf/watt department by now (we will have Gen 8 and Gen 9 in 2015), that doesn't mean 28nm planar beats 22nm FinFet.

So the numbers bellow from the same review doesn't have credibility as well ???

That's an attempt to look a little bit impartial in a blog whose main objective is to promote AMD, so no.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Got a citation on that?

Absolutely.

 

[Yuriman]

I'm actually glad to see numbers comparing Intel's and AMD's iGPUs, but for a vast majority of people, it's irrelevant. Either you don't need a GPU for much of anything, or you want more than either CPU packs and can get it for very little more money.

 

[AtenRa]

What a ridiculous comparison. Everybody knows Intel's Gen 7.5 gfx architecture lacks in the perf/watt department by now (we will have Gen 8 and Gen 9 in 2015), that doesn't mean 28nm planar beats 22nm FinFet.

We are not talking about the process but the GPU architecture. Try to stay focus on the conversation.

That's an attempt to look a little bit impartial in a blog whose main objective is to promote AMD, so no.

How about those benches made by the same person and only posted on AT forums, those are not credible as well ?? :whiste:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2370857&page=6&highlight=thief+mantle

 

[Arachnotronic]

I'm actually glad to see numbers comparing Intel's and AMD's iGPUs, but for a vast majority of people, it's irrelevant. Either you don't need a GPU for much of anything, or you want more than either CPU packs and can get it for very little more money.

iGPU matters in Ultrabook-like form-factors where dGPU is simply not a viable option. It is also important in phones/tablets.

But for desktops? If I need GPU performance, I'm buying a dGPU. If I don't need GPU performance, Intel HD-whatever is fine.

 

[Insomniator]

snip

None touch 60 and a few are med/low to hit 30??

Those numbers aren't impressive at all. A GTX 750 (non ti) can be well under $100 these days. That with an overclocked G3258 murders the A10, for what, $50 more tops?

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that the Intel mobo costs more. It must, otherwise I REALLY don't get why this is such an on going argument.

But this is off topic.

 

[Sweepr]

How about those benches made by the same person and only posted on AT forums, those are not credible as well ?? :whiste:

No. And the only reason why they weren't posted in the blog is because they put Intel products in a good light, I guess the readers wouldn't like them. :whiste:

 

[AtenRa]

None touch 60 and a few are med/low to hit 30??

Those numbers aren't impressive at all. A GTX 750 (non ti) can be well under $100 these days. That with an overclocked G3258 murders the A10, for what, $50 more tops?

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that the Intel mobo costs more. It must, otherwise I REALLY don't get why this is such an on going argument.

But this is off topic.

The vast majority of Desktop and Laptops sold globally are without a dGPU.

ps: $50 more could be almost 50% and you also lose CPU performance going to Pentium.