Is AMD a sinking ship? Far from it.

[HomeyFoos]

Hear hear! Your hindsight is 20/20.

Hindsight? LOL, this could be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. You haven't educated yourself on this war, have you?

Regardless, back on topic, nobody is saying AMD is winning the war. They just bought ATI so apparently they have some resources. Do you think they spent all the money they've made the last few years on gay prostitutes? Oh, sorry, that was the GOP. My mistake.

 

[zsdersw]

Do you think they spent all the money they've made the last few years on gay prostitutes? Oh, sorry, that was the GOP.

As a 26yo gay man, I should've gotten in on that.. and made some nice ching. Oh well.. some other time.

 

[HomeyFoos]

No doubt. I have a few gay friends and they say the exact same thing. The only problem is they can't stand being that close to Republicans. But then again, who can?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

*WTF?!? Checks which forum it is again*

 

[HomeyFoos]

Sorry, Republican idiocy takes me off topic. It's like someone called Marty McFly 'chicken'.

I think the bottom line is that while AMD is behind the 8-ball (Core 2 and Quad Core), they are not going to go the way of cyrix immediately. It's possible but many companies operate at a loss for a bit before they go under. Look at KMart.

Technology changes so fast that we could wake up and find AMD back in the lead. I'm sure AMD is betting on this and we are all the beneficiaries. Sometimes you have to go into the ground to secure your future. s939 was pretty damn cool but it's over. Look at all the free mhz (sometimes ghz) we sucked out of those chips. Most of us, me included, payed full retail for our s939 parts. Conroe etc. is way out in front but AMD will answer. They don't have to win the performance crown for the public to benefit. That's all that's important to me. Not who wins. Just that I get to play along at a reasonable price.

 

[Arcada]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TekDemon
Now now, let's not bring politics into an AMD vs Intel flame war lol

Agreed, Arcada and BeachBoy have already suffered enough after the November elections.

See thats what I'm saying. To you- this is all political. You'd rather see us disgraced and fail than have -any- "GOP" initiative succeed.
Too bad both democrats and republicans voted for the war.
The only sides to pick now is if you want to defeat terrorists or embolden them.

For me, thats not a republican vs democrat question at all. I cant stand politics, nor political people who will do and say disgusting things just to push a political agenda.
You think on a political level, rather than thinking bigger than that. You're involved with twisting truths and bending reality so you can gain politically. Unfortunately for you, securing and stabilizing the government in Iraq is in the USA and its allies best interests.. as well as our childrens. That is why I said- you are scum.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Arcada
The only sides to pick now is if you want to defeat terrorists or embolden them.

Gosh, where have I heard that before? Yep, here it is (around the 2:50 mark). :laugh: That's good stuff right there.

You're involved with twisting truths and bending reality so you can gain politically.

Pot calling the kettle black? :laugh: So what would you call starting a trillion dollar war/occupancy for this? America already woke up in the 2006 midterms and put liars like Santorum where they belong. You seem to be behind the curve.

Unfortunately for you, securing and stabilizing the government in Iraq is in the USA and its allies best interests...as well as our childrens. That is why I said- you are scum.

Ducking your head into the sand while your fearless leader pumps money and bodies into Iraq won't make it secure. Years after "mission accomplished", we're losing helicopters like the Russians in Afghanistan decades back. I'm sorry your parent's raised you never to question authority. I prefer not to submit and take it in the backside.

To you- this is all political.

You think on a political level, rather than thinking bigger than that.

Please enlighten us as to 'what level' you're working on? Are you on the 'slap a bumper-sticker on my car' level? :laugh:

I'm not in the military, so this isn't a life-or-death conflict for me. It is for other people, on both sides of the conflict. The people making the decisions that control the fate of those lives are our elected officials, and the only way an average citizen like me can affect the people making our decisions is politically. So you're absolutely 100% right, this is all political for me.

 

[Antikristuseke]

This has gone quite far off topic now but because im genreally quite bored i have to say i agree with Arcada on the point that the situation in Iraq needs to be stabilized before pulling out troops, but how to go about doing it is something i dont know. It is quite obvious that the current method isnt working to well, if at all. But instead of this bickering and politicians taking it to the level of pull out vs stay in there should be a lot more energy spent on coming up with ways to stabilize the situation. Im generalizing i know, but as i mentioned i have no idea what to do to stabilize the situation there short of killing every single person on the subcontinent which is about as ridiculous, wrong and stupid as it sounds, in other words unacceptabla.

I might not live in the US but i have friends serving in Iraq.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Hulk

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Intel ups server share, but AMD wins in PCs

AMD made 4-5% gains in laptop and desktop market share in Q4 2006. They have the largest segment of the market (budget laptops/desktops) locked up.

Their lack of quad-core offerings is certainly hurting them in the server market. The bleeding will only slow down when they launch the K8L, but they'll have to win back some customers that converted to Intel. In the 8-way server market, they shouldn't have a problem, since it has already been shown that AMD scales better than Intel in that environment.

AMDs share of the notebook market should increase when the fruits of their merger with ATI come to market. AMD/ATI will offer better performance per watt than Intel/Intel in the huge integrated graphics market for notebook computers, probably at a better price too.

I hope this quiets down some of the newbies who pop into every thread and cry of AMDs swift demise. I personally own X2 and C2D systems, so I'm only a fanboy of competition bringing about innovation.

You almost convinced me except for one bit of reality. The fact that C2D crushes all AMD chips. But I do hope AMD hangs in there. But then again if your signature is any indication you are not interested in any reality but the one you conjure up.

Awww, you're completely right. I think today's weather report for Baghdad mentioned something about it raining flowers and candy for our soldiers.

C2D does beat K8 in performance; the fact that you still equate that to desktop market share shows your ignorance of the personal computer market. As I said before, the fastest growing segments are areas where AMD is increasing market share.

Explain them losing a YEARS earnings in one quarter?

As of today it is now trading at a 52 week low.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Hulk

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Intel ups server share, but AMD wins in PCs

AMD made 4-5% gains in laptop and desktop market share in Q4 2006. They have the largest segment of the market (budget laptops/desktops) locked up.

Their lack of quad-core offerings is certainly hurting them in the server market. The bleeding will only slow down when they launch the K8L, but they'll have to win back some customers that converted to Intel. In the 8-way server market, they shouldn't have a problem, since it has already been shown that AMD scales better than Intel in that environment.

AMDs share of the notebook market should increase when the fruits of their merger with ATI come to market. AMD/ATI will offer better performance per watt than Intel/Intel in the huge integrated graphics market for notebook computers, probably at a better price too.

I hope this quiets down some of the newbies who pop into every thread and cry of AMDs swift demise. I personally own X2 and C2D systems, so I'm only a fanboy of competition bringing about innovation.

You almost convinced me except for one bit of reality. The fact that C2D crushes all AMD chips. But I do hope AMD hangs in there. But then again if your signature is any indication you are not interested in any reality but the one you conjure up.

Awww, you're completely right. I think today's weather report for Baghdad mentioned something about it raining flowers and candy for our soldiers.

C2D does beat K8 in performance; the fact that you still equate that to desktop market share shows your ignorance of the personal computer market. As I said before, the fastest growing segments are areas where AMD is increasing market share.

Explain them losing a YEARS earnings in one quarter?

Market share =! profit. Slashing prices and losing the performance crown has caused them to lose their earnings. I never disagreed about that.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Hulk

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Intel ups server share, but AMD wins in PCs

AMD made 4-5% gains in laptop and desktop market share in Q4 2006. They have the largest segment of the market (budget laptops/desktops) locked up.

Their lack of quad-core offerings is certainly hurting them in the server market. The bleeding will only slow down when they launch the K8L, but they'll have to win back some customers that converted to Intel. In the 8-way server market, they shouldn't have a problem, since it has already been shown that AMD scales better than Intel in that environment.

AMDs share of the notebook market should increase when the fruits of their merger with ATI come to market. AMD/ATI will offer better performance per watt than Intel/Intel in the huge integrated graphics market for notebook computers, probably at a better price too.

I hope this quiets down some of the newbies who pop into every thread and cry of AMDs swift demise. I personally own X2 and C2D systems, so I'm only a fanboy of competition bringing about innovation.

You almost convinced me except for one bit of reality. The fact that C2D crushes all AMD chips. But I do hope AMD hangs in there. But then again if your signature is any indication you are not interested in any reality but the one you conjure up.

Awww, you're completely right. I think today's weather report for Baghdad mentioned something about it raining flowers and candy for our soldiers.

C2D does beat K8 in performance; the fact that you still equate that to desktop market share shows your ignorance of the personal computer market. As I said before, the fastest growing segments are areas where AMD is increasing market share.

Explain them losing a YEARS earnings in one quarter?

Market share =! profit. Slashing prices and losing the performance crown has caused them to lose their earnings. I never disagreed about that.

Ahh, so market share is what keeps them in business.

They should mark down FX-62s to 25 cents.

AMD is trading at a 52 week low.

"AMD's net loss for the fourth quarter ended December 31 was $574 million, or $1.08 per share, compared with a profit of $96 million, or 21 cents a share, a year earlier."

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Hulk

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Intel ups server share, but AMD wins in PCs

AMD made 4-5% gains in laptop and desktop market share in Q4 2006. They have the largest segment of the market (budget laptops/desktops) locked up.

Their lack of quad-core offerings is certainly hurting them in the server market. The bleeding will only slow down when they launch the K8L, but they'll have to win back some customers that converted to Intel. In the 8-way server market, they shouldn't have a problem, since it has already been shown that AMD scales better than Intel in that environment.

AMDs share of the notebook market should increase when the fruits of their merger with ATI come to market. AMD/ATI will offer better performance per watt than Intel/Intel in the huge integrated graphics market for notebook computers, probably at a better price too.

I hope this quiets down some of the newbies who pop into every thread and cry of AMDs swift demise. I personally own X2 and C2D systems, so I'm only a fanboy of competition bringing about innovation.

You almost convinced me except for one bit of reality. The fact that C2D crushes all AMD chips. But I do hope AMD hangs in there. But then again if your signature is any indication you are not interested in any reality but the one you conjure up.

Awww, you're completely right. I think today's weather report for Baghdad mentioned something about it raining flowers and candy for our soldiers.

C2D does beat K8 in performance; the fact that you still equate that to desktop market share shows your ignorance of the personal computer market. As I said before, the fastest growing segments are areas where AMD is increasing market share.

Explain them losing a YEARS earnings in one quarter?

Market share =! profit. Slashing prices and losing the performance crown has caused them to lose their earnings. I never disagreed about that.

Ahh, so market share is what keeps them in business.

They should mark down FX-62s to 25 cents.

Actually the only thing keeping their heads above water are their server/workstation devision.

You do know what those things are, right?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Hulk

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Intel ups server share, but AMD wins in PCs

AMD made 4-5% gains in laptop and desktop market share in Q4 2006. They have the largest segment of the market (budget laptops/desktops) locked up.

Their lack of quad-core offerings is certainly hurting them in the server market. The bleeding will only slow down when they launch the K8L, but they'll have to win back some customers that converted to Intel. In the 8-way server market, they shouldn't have a problem, since it has already been shown that AMD scales better than Intel in that environment.

AMDs share of the notebook market should increase when the fruits of their merger with ATI come to market. AMD/ATI will offer better performance per watt than Intel/Intel in the huge integrated graphics market for notebook computers, probably at a better price too.

I hope this quiets down some of the newbies who pop into every thread and cry of AMDs swift demise. I personally own X2 and C2D systems, so I'm only a fanboy of competition bringing about innovation.

You almost convinced me except for one bit of reality. The fact that C2D crushes all AMD chips. But I do hope AMD hangs in there. But then again if your signature is any indication you are not interested in any reality but the one you conjure up.

Awww, you're completely right. I think today's weather report for Baghdad mentioned something about it raining flowers and candy for our soldiers.

C2D does beat K8 in performance; the fact that you still equate that to desktop market share shows your ignorance of the personal computer market. As I said before, the fastest growing segments are areas where AMD is increasing market share.

Explain them losing a YEARS earnings in one quarter?

Market share =! profit. Slashing prices and losing the performance crown has caused them to lose their earnings. I never disagreed about that.

Ahh, so market share is what keeps them in business.

They should mark down FX-62s to 25 cents.

Actually the only thing keeping their heads above water are their server/workstation devision.

You do know what those things are, right?

I wouldnt call a 500 million dollar loss "above water".

Thats a Fab a year.

(posting from a Venice)

Dont say AMD isnt in trouble when they clearly are.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I wouldnt call a 500 million dollar loss "above water".

Christ, your are dense.

Please read, or have someone read to you.

Computer chip maker Advanced Micro Devices reported a net loss of $574 million in the fourth quarter due to acquisition charges...

Sunnyvale-based AMD said the loss was due to its $5.4 billion deal to buy graphics chip maker ATI Technologies and stock options expensing.

AMD said it had a net loss of $574 million, or $1.08 per share. Fourth-quarter figures include acquisition-related and integration charges of $550 million, or $1.04 a share, and $27 million for employee stock-based compensation, or 5 cents a share. In the year-ago quarter, AMD reported a profit of $96 million, or 21 cents a share.

Here's a little Finance 101 lesson, since you don't seem to understand how acquisitions work. That is a one-time charge they took on their quaterly profits. Yes, overall revenue was also down, but not enough to give them those staggering losses alone.

Gains in market share are not 'one-time' items, like the acquisition losses are. Revenue will still be down year to year in the processor division because of pricing pressures and competition from Intel, but ATI revenue is up significantly. Enough to keep the company in financial security until they are more competitive in the desktop market.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I wouldnt call a 500 million dollar loss "above water".

Christ, your are dense.

Please read, or have someone read to you.

Computer chip maker Advanced Micro Devices reported a net loss of $574 million in the fourth quarter due to acquisition charges...

Sunnyvale-based AMD said the loss was due to its $5.4 billion deal to buy graphics chip maker ATI Technologies and stock options expensing.

AMD said it had a net loss of $574 million, or $1.08 per share. Fourth-quarter figures include acquisition-related and integration charges of $550 million, or $1.04 a share, and $27 million for employee stock-based compensation, or 5 cents a share. In the year-ago quarter, AMD reported a profit of $96 million, or 21 cents a share.

Here's a little Finance 101 lesson, since you don't seem to understand how acquisitions work. That is a one-time charge they took on their quaterly profits. Yes, overall revenue was also down, but not enough to give them those staggering losses alone.

Gains in market share are not 'one-time' items, like the acquisition losses are. Revenue will still be down year to year in the processor division because of pricing pressures and competition from Intel, but ATI revenue is up significantly. Enough to keep the company in financial security until they are more competitive in the desktop market.

The article i read specifically said ATis Chipset and Graphics divisions were "unprofitable".

They gained marketshare in a low profit region.

So you think the fab they are building in NY is free as well?

If youre breaking even, and spending money, you are not making money.

Investors dont like it when youre not making money.

This isnt even economics, its common friggin sense.

But really, go buy 10000 shares of AMD, its trading low, so why not?

Since they are doing so well and all with their $40 semprons flying off of the shelves.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The article i read specifically said ATis Chipset and Graphics divisions were "unprofitable".

Well you have a link to my article, and here is what it specifically says:

The company said its revenues including ATI soared 31 percent in the quarter ended Dec. 31, to $1.77 billion, up from $1.35 billion a year ago.

 

[Acanthus]

Straight from the horses mouth

ATi keeping them afloat?

The report says it lost $13mil in 2006.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The article i read specifically said ATis Chipset and Graphics divisions were "unprofitable".

Well you have a link to my article, and here is what it specifically says:

The company said its revenues including ATI soared 31 percent in the quarter ended Dec. 31, to $1.77 billion, up from $1.35 billion a year ago.

Youre telling me to take finance classes?

Are revenue and profit the same thing?

Do you have any idea what youre talking about? Or are you just a fanboi rabidly defending your company irrationally?

Again, common sense tells you that when you aquire a company, if they are selling ANYTHING, your revenue goes up.

 

[HomeyFoos]

See thats what I'm saying. To you- this is all political. You'd rather see us disgraced and fail than have -any- "GOP" initiative succeed.

There are no GOP initiatives that have 'succeeded' in Iraq. All of them have failed. What happened to 'Mission Accomplished'? We 'won' the 'war' years ago. There was a celebration on the deck of an Aircraft Carrier, right? A huge Banner saying 'WE WON!', right? What happened to that? Why did President DumbAss say we were losing a few months ago when we already won?

Republicans are idiots.

I cant stand politics, nor political people who will do and say disgusting things just to push a political agenda.

LOLOLOLOL!!! OMG...yet you support the invasion of a SOVEREIGN NATION THAT NEVER ATTACKED AMERICA, HAD NO WMD NOR TIES TO AL QUEDA?!?!?!?!?!

My god. How dumb can you get?

It is not 'Anti-American' to oppose this war. There are members of Congress (like Carl Levin D-Mich) who are bringing these liars to justice as we speak. THEY LIED! It's that simple. There was no 'hindsight'. The only people in this world who accused Iraq of possessing WMD were in the White House. They have never been able to substantiate ANYTHING. No ties. No chemical weapons. No nuclear weapons. No plans for nuclear weapons. The UN Sanctions were working. Iraq was decimated. They found nerve gas that was 10 years old. And while not safe to drink, it certainly wasn't serin gas.

Furthermore, please spare the world the bullshit about Hussein gassing his own people. He did that with gas from the United States and Britain.

This is completely off topic, but I cannot let this crap go without comment. You seemingly have no idea what you are talking about and you are in severe need of some education.

 

[Viditor]

Somebody please lock this thread or move it to a political forum...

 

[SparkyJJO]

I don't like political discussions - especially in the wrong place, P&N is <-- THAT WAY :disgust: - but let me say this:

Assume YOU are Saddam.
You have WMDs.
USA comes after you for possessing stuff that is against the UN agreements.
You know that you can't possibly win against the USA.
Now think, if you are smart, would YOU seriously just leave the WMDs there to be found? Or, would you hide them somewhere, maybe to try and fake innocence so everyone blames Bush that you hate?
NOT A HARD QUESTION HERE. I certainly know what I would do in his shoes!! MOVE THEM. Neighboring country, like Saudi Arabia or somewhere like that!
End result is it appears that Bush lied!
Now what would the benefit to Bush be for doing this? People hate him (though not as many as you think obviously since he won reelection), it costs a lot of money, time, and lives. And do NOT pull the oil card again. He isn't in that business anymore, hasn't been for a long time. Even if he was, what would the benefit to him be? Money? Not really.

Now I do also want to set something straight, I am IN NO WAY saying we should invade another country. I am also NOT saying that I particularly like the war, the cost in lives and dollars, or whatever. Just make sure you understand that, OK?

One more point I'd like to make:
Back in the gulf war, Saddam invaded Kuwait. The USA along with others went over there and pushed Saddam back into Iraq. Bush Senior stopped there, and he got quite a bit of flak over not following Saddam into Iraq and shutting down his tyrannical government. Fast forward a few years to the Clinton administration. Clinton talked about shutting Saddam down and got praised for talking about it, but he never did anything. Bush junior comes along and actually does what the previous two didn't do, and what does he get? All sorts of flak over it! Make any logical sense? Not really!

I have my doubts that anyone is really going to read all that, simply because no one cares to. I feel like you can take the most obvious, cold hard truth sometimes and throw it right in someone's face and they'll totally ignore it and call me a liar :rolleyes;

Now BACK ON TOPIC!
AMD is not a sinking ship. Having some financial problems? Sure, but seriously what company hasn't had one before? What company has never seen the red before? None that I am aware of. I'm sure part of the red is due to the acquisition of ATI. They'll come back up again, not sure when but they will.

 

[jpeyton]

Politics came into this thread when someone decided to comment on my signature and not contents of the original post. If the mods feel like removing all posts pertaining to politics in this thread, I couldn't be happier.

A signature is in every single post a user makes. If you have a comment about it, or you don't like it, have the common sense to PM the user or a Mod about it. Posting in the thread about it is just bad etiquette and takes the entire thread off topic.

 

[HomeyFoos]

Ya, how easy is it to hide WMD? Do they fit in a briefcase? A breadbox? A suitcase? A storage shed? An armored car? An 18-wheeler? Do you think they can just bury them in the desert somewhere so we can't find them? If the threat was so eminent, do you think you can just up and hide nuclear and chemical weapons that represent a threat to the continental United States? Could the US, USSR, China, North Korea, Pakistan just hide their ability to nuke another country? Do you realize what it takes to deliver a strike half-way around the world? You can't just 'hide' such things or take them to a neighboring country. Do you think Syria and Iran want to be caught with them? They didn't exist or we would have found them. We didn't find them. They didn't exist. It was a lie. And if they were there and they were able to be hid, they DID NOT represent an eminent threat to the US and we are STILL fighting an Illegal War.

Why, in early 2001, did BOTH Condilezza Rice (doesn't she look like the Predator without his mask on? She's uglier than a bowling shoe) and Colin Powell say that Hussein had NOT built his arsenal back up? Why are CIA Analysts' writing tell-all books and quitting their jobs? Why was Valerie Plame outed? It's all because it was a lie. The pretext for war was fabricated and we knew this going in. Anyone with any sense could plainly see that Hussein, while not Mr. Rogers, was just one of many benign dictators who didn't treat his people very well. We allow several men just like him to do whatever they wish and we do not interfere. Millions upon millions of lives over the years have been extinguished by such people and they are left to their devices. The difference is they aren't sitting on oil.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Just like this OT conversation. I get rather frustrated when people use an irrational defense for our presence in Iraq. Pretty much done with this unless someone throw's out more 'you are anti-american' crap. Questioning authority is not Anti-American. It's your duty as an American.

 

[StopSign]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
I don't like political discussions - especially in the wrong place, P&N is <-- THAT WAY :disgust: - but let me say this:

Assume YOU are Saddam.
You have WMDs.
USA comes after you for possessing stuff that is against the UN agreements.
You know that you can't possibly win against the USA.
Now think, if you are smart, would YOU seriously just leave the WMDs there to be found? Or, would you hide them somewhere, maybe to try and fake innocence so everyone blames Bush that you hate?
NOT A HARD QUESTION HERE. I certainly know what I would do in his shoes!! MOVE THEM. Neighboring country, like Saudi Arabia or somewhere like that!
End result is it appears that Bush lied!
Now what would the benefit to Bush be for doing this? People hate him (though not as many as you think obviously since he won reelection), it costs a lot of money, time, and lives. And do NOT pull the oil card again. He isn't in that business anymore, hasn't been for a long time. Even if he was, what would the benefit to him be? Money? Not really.

Just.....wow....

 

[Acanthus]

It appears no one wants real discussion in this thread.

Just P&N BS thats been beat to death in 1100 other threads here at AT, and doesnt even belong in this section of the forum.

Talk about the topic or GTFO please.