Is AMD still undefeated in budget builds?

[kyrax12]

I keep hearing recommendations for Intel processors, but they are pretty expensive compared to the fx 6300.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I guess it depends on what you consider a 'budget build'.

The FX6300 is a good buy, especially if you overclock. I think the FX8320 has dropped to FX6300 prices from time to time, so it also can be a good buy for the money.

 

[kyrax12]

I guess it depends on what you consider a 'budget build'.

The FX6300 is a good buy, especially if you overclock. I think the FX8320 has dropped to FX6300 prices from time to time, so it also can be a good buy for the money.

$800 gaming PC.

or a $1000 gaming PC with peripherals.

 

[OCGuy]

Seeing as how that vast majority of systems in operation are what we here would consider "budget" builds, and Intel owns a > 80% share, I would have to say "undefeated" may be a bit aggressive.

They are definitely undefeated in the $/core category, for what that is worth. If they ever land a IPC homerun, it would be great for all of us.


Also: wrong sub-forum

 

[BSim500]

I keep hearing recommendations for Intel processors, but they are pretty expensive compared to the fx 6300.

Depends on what you mean by "budget build". For a basic light usage non-gaming work-box (office + web browser), a $55 Pentium G3220 will do. For a basic gaming rig, FX-6300 and i3-4130 are priced the same, and the latter can more than hold its own in a number of games:-
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-4340-4330-4130_5.html
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/11/14/intel-core-i3-4130-haswell-review/5

For any 1080p budget desktop gaming rig, you're still better off getting a low-end to mid range GFX card (R7 250/260/750 Ti) no matter which CPU you buy, so iGPU performance is pretty moot if you actually want to enjoy smooth gameplay. Intel's draw up to 100w less power so that may well add up too over 3-4 years if you load the CPU regularly.

 

[SlowSpyder]

There are a million different ways to spend $800 on a computer for gaming. My advice would be to put as much of your buidget towards your video card as you can. As an example, an FX6300 + R9 280X costs about the same as an i7 4770K + R7 260X (Newegg prices).

 

[Phynaz]

$800 gaming PC.

or a $1000 gaming PC with peripherals.

That's not what most consider a budget build. With that much money there's no reason not to go with Intel.

 

[escrow4]

Because the FX 6300 is a tri core at best and is murdered in any game which needs the single threaded grunt of Intel. Which is most of them. Its a false economy with an obsolete chipset as the cherry on top. There is no such thing as a budget gaming build. You'll end up with crippling compromises.

 

[dn7309]

I keep hearing recommendations for Intel processors, but they are pretty expensive compared to the fx 6300.

This was true in the Athlon XP days. Now, not so much. Not sure what went wrong.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Seriously, another one of these threads?

 

[ShintaiDK]

The FX6300 plus the 750/760K is close to being the only AMD CPUs atm thats worth its money.

 

[bullzz]

$800 budget build


you poor guy

 

[OCGuy]

These threads wont stop in the CPU forum, but the mods are onto it. I wonder if that is why it is being tried here.

Edit: It is in the CPU forum. Either the Matrix opened or I need more coffee.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Because the FX 6300 is a tri core at best and is murdered in any game which needs the single threaded grunt of Intel. Which is most of them. Its a false economy with an obsolete chipset as the cherry on top. There is no such thing as a budget gaming build. You'll end up with crippling compromises.

Intel makes some fantastic CPU's that can stand on their own merits without having to over exaggerate. You don't need Intel's "single threaded grunt" to play most games, that is simply not true.

 

[escrow4]

Intel makes some fantastic CPU's that can stand on their own merits without having to over exaggerate. You don't need Intel's "single threaded grunt" to play most games, that is simply not true.

Unless you have a sloppy port like Thief:

http://www.techspot.com/review/787-thief-benchmarks/page4.html

Or Hitman Absolution:

http://www.techspot.com/review/608-hitman-absolution-performance-benchmarks/page6.html

"The AMD FX-8350 offers nowhere near the Core i7's performance. When pushed to 4.5GHz, the FX-8350 rendered just 53fps when armed with the HD 7970 GHz Edition, which is comparable to the Core i7-3770K at 2.5GHz."

FX is just embarrassing for a whole pile of games.

 

[AtenRa]

Unless you have a sloppy port like Thief:

http://www.techspot.com/review/787-thief-benchmarks/page4.html

Or Hitman Absolution:

http://www.techspot.com/review/608-hitman-absolution-performance-benchmarks/page6.html

"The AMD FX-8350 offers nowhere near the Core i7's performance. When pushed to 4.5GHz, the FX-8350 rendered just 53fps when armed with the HD 7970 GHz Edition, which is comparable to the Core i7-3770K at 2.5GHz."

FX is just embarrassing for a whole pile of games.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36140482&postcount=79

 

[OCGuy]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36140482&postcount=79

You are a AMD reseller.....I think most people would probably put more weight into Techspot, but that is just me.

Although you don't even need to post benchmarks to refute someone saying AMD chips get "murdered" or are "garbage" or any of that nonsense.

 

[AtenRa]

You are a AMD reseller.....

Im also an Intel and NVIDIA reseller, your point being ???

 

[SlowSpyder]

Unless you have a sloppy port like Thief:

http://www.techspot.com/review/787-thief-benchmarks/page4.html

Or Hitman Absolution:

http://www.techspot.com/review/608-hitman-absolution-performance-benchmarks/page6.html

"The AMD FX-8350 offers nowhere near the Core i7's performance. When pushed to 4.5GHz, the FX-8350 rendered just 53fps when armed with the HD 7970 GHz Edition, which is comparable to the Core i7-3770K at 2.5GHz."

FX is just embarrassing for a whole pile of games.

And the i7-3770k @ 4.5GHz is barely faster than an i7-3770k @ 3.0GHz. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

http://static.techspot.com/articles-info/608/bench/CPU_03.png

No one should have to game at only 50+FPS. This is America, damn it! :'(

 

[nwo]

Intel is still king for budget gaming. A $100 Haswell is likely to offer much better gaming performance than anything AMD has to offer in that price range. Until games start using more than 2 threads.

Even the super low end segment is dominated by Intel. I'd much rather have a Celeron than a Sempron.

The only thing AMD has going for them at the moment is their APUs.

 

[Arkaign]

That's not what most consider a budget build. With that much money there's no reason not to go with Intel.

Yeah. That's pretty much it.

However, let's play devil's advocate. Newegg build time! I'll choose exactly what I think would make the best Intel and AMD gaming systems that are well rounded PCs and would provide enjoyment and minimal annoyance. I'll aim at $1000 right with a legal OS, and pick things that have low shipping or free shipping, most importantly for the case). For the sake of streamlining this, we'll assume the person has an existing display/keyboard/mouse/speakers of some type.

Best deal on AMD Gaming build :

Windows 8.1 Pro Keycard : $99 (download ISO from different PC, write to USB or DVD)
Rosewill Redbone Case : $35 (free shipping)
Enermax 550W ECO Modular : $70
DVDRW : $20
Samsung EVO 128GB SSD : $85
Toshiba 2TB HDD : $75
Kingston HyperX 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1866 : $70
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo : $35
AsRock 980DE AM3+ Mobo : $70 (8 Sata, USB 3.0, Sata 6gps, used these to do 8320 @ 4.7Ghz rock solid before)
AMD FX-6300 CPU : $120 (stock 3.5Ghz, dead easy/silent to hit 4.2Ghz on stock volts)
MSI TwinForce 770 2GB OC Edition : $320

Okay, so that brings us to $1k dead even. Ends up with fast SSD+2TB Storage setup, mobo that supports up to 32GB ram and can OC into the 4.5Ghz range if desired, 6-Core FX under a cooler that is VERY quiet and keeps it chilly, a VERY nice gaming GPU, in a nice case with a rock solid PSU.

Let's shift the things around to fit in an Intel i5.

AsRock Pro4 Mobo $105
Intel 4670K CPU $240
XFX R260X 2GB OC $150

So you end up with the same thing, but a better CPU combined with a 260X (7790 rebadge). For gaming, I'd take the FX @ 4.2Ghz + GTX 770 every time.

Of course, one could cut the SSD, go with a cheaper PSU, try to scrape some dollars here and there. Anything to keep the SSD in the system.

If the price difference was zero I'd pick the i5 100/100 times. With limited funds, it gets more interesting. I guarantee that in the vast majority of games, the 4.2Ghz FX6300 setup + GTX770 would wipe the floor with the i5 + 7790/R260X.

 

[Arkaign]

Intel is still king for budget gaming. A $100 Haswell is likely to offer much better gaming performance than anything AMD has to offer in that price range. Until games start using more than 2 threads.

Even the super low end segment is dominated by Intel. I'd much rather have a Celeron than a Sempron.

The only thing AMD has going for them at the moment is their APUs.

You're assuming you can exchange them without having to pay a premium. See my post above.

I am not biased either, I'm a pragmatist. Here's a pic of my last 4 CPUs used in builds/upgrades in the past couple of weeks :

 

[daveybrat]

I'm still waiting for my time to upgrade my own AMD cpu. Unfortunately, the games i play still don't warrant an upgrade yet.

Titanfall and D3:Reaper of Souls both play flawless on my current AMD quad-core.

My rule of thumb is to upgrade when a game i WANT to play is no longer enjoyable at med-high settings and a good framerate.

For budget gaming, an FX 6300 with a GTX 750Ti 2GB and an SSD is a great combination.

 

[pantsaregood]

At $120, I'd honestly consider an FX-6300 a better buy than an i3 4130. The FX-6300 is unlocked, and will likely manage to hit 4.5 GHz or higher - that's a 30% increase in performance. The i3 may be faster at stock, but it isn't significant enough to outperform the FX-6300 at 4.5 GHz.

That said, Intel absolutely wrecks AMD in performance/watt.

 

[nicuwork]

$800 budget build


you poor guy

snobs...i build much less expensive pc for kids

gtx 660 150 euro
i3 / q9xxx 100 euro
4gb ram 50 euro
good psu 40 euro
mb 50 euro
the rest is cheap...total 500 and can play the newest games at 1080 res on high/ultra about 40-70 fps

there are still poor people....but these are not the ones
there are much poor people who can't afford a hand calculator.

snobs...we're all people...if god love you all sons of bitches why can't you even care for others?

benchmarking is not a life