Is anyone else just not into sports?

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yllus

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it's not even that.

it's the simple fact that entertainment generates much more money than doctors do.

And affects a far wider swath of the public. A better comparison would be a pharmaceutical company to a recording company/artist. Both can release a product that's consumed by millions. Do both rake in enormous profits? They sure do.
 

purbeast0

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And affects a far wider swath of the public. A better comparison would be a pharmaceutical company to a recording company/artist. Both can release a product that's consumed by millions. Do both rake in enormous profits? They sure do.

yea if the same amount of people that went to see avatar on opening weekend went to see a doctor for 3 hours that weekend, i think the doctors would have made MUCH more money than the actors involved in avatar.

heh wow this thread has been derailed.

SPORTS RULE!
 

surfsatwerk

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Life is both the physical and mental. I would just as soon give up reading as I would quit watching football or lifting weights.
 

Ninjahedge

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According to you, entertainers are overpaid. According to the world, they're not. Clearly the world places more value in entertainment than in doctors or teachers. I see nothing wrong with that.

Um, according to the World?

Where are you getting that from? Many countries did not have the same hyper-inflated importance placed on entertainers as we do. The more a country has to work to survive, the less a bunch of 'roided primates running around kicking a ball matter to them.

We have gotten so disjointed that we pay a football player more than a scientist. We pay a movie actor more than we pay a physician.

If you want to extend the comparison, we pay a broker more money to sell a house than all the people who designed and built it... combined. And we do that several times during its lifetime.

We also pay people more money to simply move money around than to actually produce anything that can be bought, sold or traded.

The "world" has said many things. If pop culture has anything to say about it, the World is seriously deranged and incredibly stupid. So if the "World" says that this is worth that much, I am inclined to think that it is not a very valid appraisal.
 

yllus

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Um, according to the World?

Where are you getting that from? Many countries did not have the same hyper-inflated importance placed on entertainers as we do. The more a country has to work to survive, the less a bunch of 'roided primates running around kicking a ball matter to them.

We have gotten so disjointed that we pay a football player more than a scientist. We pay a movie actor more than we pay a physician.

If you want to extend the comparison, we pay a broker more money to sell a house than all the people who designed and built it... combined. And we do that several times during its lifetime.

We also pay people more money to simply move money around than to actually produce anything that can be bought, sold or traded.

The "world" has said many things. If pop culture has anything to say about it, the World is seriously deranged and incredibly stupid. So if the "World" says that this is worth that much, I am inclined to think that it is not a very valid appraisal.

What countries don't pay their best actors or musicians more than their best doctors or scientists?

Yes, according to the world we've clearly voted with our wallets and demonstrated that we value entertainment over scientific progress. Makes sense to me - music, sports and film brings immediate joy (or frustration, or anger, but either way they're stimulated) to a lot of people, and people generally live in the moment. The worst term I could assign to this is short-sighted.
 

Beev

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Makes sense to me - music, sports and film brings immediate joy (or frustration, or anger, but either way they're stimulated) to a lot of people, and people generally live in the moment.

It makes sense to me as well, because I know how stupid people are. Everyone is greedy and wants THEIR lives to be better in someway. Who cares if we can make the future better?
 

Ninjahedge

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What countries don't pay their best actors or musicians more than their best doctors or scientists?

Russia, China, South Korea, Ivory Coast, Pakistan, Iran, Poland, Germany (maybe).

These are rough guesses ad you and I both know that there are countries out there that do that.

Like I said, and you ignored, countries that need things, ones that have less "free time" to go play with themselves generally value artisans and craftsmen over performers.

Yes, according to the world we've clearly voted with our wallets and demonstrated that we value entertainment over scientific progress. Makes sense to me - music, sports and film brings immediate joy (or frustration, or anger, but either way they're stimulated) to a lot of people, and people generally live in the moment. The worst term I could assign to this is short-sighted.

No, it is stupid.

Short sighted
Ignorant
Idiotic
Expressing poor judgment
Immature

It has been proven with shows like "Jersey shore" and "Dancing with the Stars" (not to mention TMZ, E! and others) that the general population is NOT intelligent. They are given everything they need w/o having to consider anything else. They are incapable of fathoming the extent that their entertainment dollar could have helped their lives and the lives of others if we simply took half of what we are willing to spend on the dead air between our ears and place it toward scientific exploration and discovery.

As a testament to our ignorance, we are willing to fire teachers and cut the space program to nil to "balance the budget" when spending on capital hill niceties out-paces the shuttle program (we don't want the Senators to use Marcall, now do we?). The issue there being, people cannot see what can be, they only are concerned with here and now. If they could "buy" a cure for AIDS rather than pay for the research, then they would be ready to cash in to save lives, but tell them that it will take years to do and it is no longer something they can understand.

So, we take our money and we are willing, as a species, to throw it at tennis shoes, sporting events and light beer and say "To hell with engineering! The game is on!"
 

gimmewhitecastles

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Um, according to the World?

Where are you getting that from? Many countries did not have the same hyper-inflated importance placed on entertainers as we do. The more a country has to work to survive, the less a bunch of 'roided primates running around kicking a ball matter to them.

We have gotten so disjointed that we pay a football player more than a scientist. We pay a movie actor more than we pay a physician.

If you want to extend the comparison, we pay a broker more money to sell a house than all the people who designed and built it... combined. And we do that several times during its lifetime.

We also pay people more money to simply move money around than to actually produce anything that can be bought, sold or traded.

The "world" has said many things. If pop culture has anything to say about it, the World is seriously deranged and incredibly stupid. So if the "World" says that this is worth that much, I am inclined to think that it is not a very valid appraisal.

A lot of people who spend money on sports and entertainment, do it from their excess. No reasonable person would skip a mortgage payment to pay for weekly football tickets. This was pretty evident as profitable sport franchises were feeling the financial crunch during the crisis.

Could the money be spent on improving science and medicine? Sure. But I'm pretty sure even you are not even donating a single dime for cancer research unless you do it unwittingly by buying a snickers bar during a promotion. People will spend their money the way they please and athletes/entertainers' salaries are driven by market tendencies.

The population is not deranged. It's selfish, but that is just human nature.
 
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For those that hate sports, did you not play them as a kid or had a bad experience?

Played almost everything growing up (soccer, baseball, basketball, golf, bowling, tennis, volleyball). Had some strong points, some weak points. No exceptionally 'bad experiences'. I just never got it. I never wanted to play, but my dad said I should try everything, so I did. I enjoyed playing occasionally for fun among friends (and still do), but that's it.

Part of it is probably that I have ZERO competitiveness and ZERO 'team mentality'. Being somewhat precocious I also had a better understanding of some of the underlying factors earlier than most people (aggression, control issues, ego-centrism, groupthink, etc).
 

Ninjahedge

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GWC,

I have not donated jack to research, but I am willing to forgo certain projects that the government pays for, lik eMILITARY SPENDING, in order to sponsor more research and development. But that is more political than OT.

By the same token, I have spent $0 on sporting events, broadcasting, and licensed paraphenalia in the past 10 years or so. It just ain't worth it.
 

purbeast0

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one of my best friends out there really dislikes sports. he is content that the NFL is even rigged.

he lifts weights however he is not athletic at all. he isn't good at sports or games when he tries them.

in general, he just HATES HATES losing at things so he tends to not do ANYTHING competitive.

he likes playing video games, but he will use cheats when available. whenever we play anything competitive against eachother and he loses, he ALWAYS makes excuses. he never wants to play party games like beer pong, horse shoes, cornhole, or any of that stuff. i just think in general he hates to lose so therefore he doesn't do anything that he knows he will not win at.
 

purbeast0

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GWC,

I have not donated jack to research, but I am willing to forgo certain projects that the government pays for, lik eMILITARY SPENDING, in order to sponsor more research and development. But that is more political than OT.

By the same token, I have spent $0 on sporting events, broadcasting, and licensed paraphenalia in the past 10 years or so. It just ain't worth it.

have you watched any movies in the past 10 years that you did not pirate?
 

yllus

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Aug 20, 2000
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Russia, China, South Korea, Ivory Coast, Pakistan, Iran, Poland, Germany (maybe).

These are rough guesses ad you and I both know that there are countries out there that do that.

Like I said, and you ignored, countries that need things, ones that have less "free time" to go play with themselves generally value artisans and craftsmen over performers.

I've been to two of the countries on your list and their star cricket players and musicians make many multiples more money than the best doctor there does. For the rest - Germany and South Korea? How much do you think German soccer players net per year? How about South Korean pop stars?

You're not proving anything by pointing to North Korea or Afghanistan as examples of nations where the arts aren't valued. Obviously mere existence comes first.

It has been proven with shows like "Jersey shore" and "Dancing with the Stars" (not to mention TMZ, E! and others) that the general population is NOT intelligent. They are given everything they need w/o having to consider anything else. They are incapable of fathoming the extent that their entertainment dollar could have helped their lives and the lives of others if we simply took half of what we are willing to spend on the dead air between our ears and place it toward scientific exploration and discovery.

As a testament to our ignorance, we are willing to fire teachers and cut the space program to nil to "balance the budget" when spending on capital hill niceties out-paces the shuttle program (we don't want the Senators to use Marcall, now do we?). The issue there being, people cannot see what can be, they only are concerned with here and now. If they could "buy" a cure for AIDS rather than pay for the research, then they would be ready to cash in to save lives, but tell them that it will take years to do and it is no longer something they can understand.

So, we take our money and we are willing, as a species, to throw it at tennis shoes, sporting events and light beer and say "To hell with engineering! The game is on!"

I didn't catch any Jersey Shore until just a couple of months ago and I thought it was hilarious. Definitely compelling television, and my girlfriend and I got a lot of laughs out of it. We still occasionally break out singing, "T-shirt tiiiime!" Apparently that positive response times the number of their viewers equals big bucks.

In the grand scheme of things, why not say to hell with engineering and watch sports instead? What great cosmic rulebook states that it's more important to bust our balls and create an even smaller transistor than it is to lay back and simply enjoy life?

If anything I think humanity's goal should be to get to the point where we can automate absolutely everything and just live the lives of hedonists. I'm ambitious, but only to the point that it gets me to the point where I can relax for good and let the rest of you run the rat race.
 

roguerower

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GWC,

I have not donated jack to research, but I am willing to forgo certain projects that the government pays for, like MILITARY SPENDING, in order to sponsor more research and development. But that is more political than OT.

By the same token, I have spent $0 on sporting events, broadcasting, and licensed paraphenalia in the past 10 years or so. It just ain't worth it.

To sum up what you've said over the past couple of pages, you whine and complain about how not enough research is done and that you think that the government should cut military spending so that they can give more money to pharmaceutical companies to perform reasearch, but in the same breath you also say that you don't contribute anything to research. You do realize that a shit load of commercial products come from military research, right?

Do you have cable TV? If so, you've paid for broadcasting and if you've ever watched a sports game, you've paid for the licensing. Congrats.

one of my best friends out there really dislikes sports. he is content that the NFL is even rigged.

he lifts weights however he is not athletic at all. he isn't good at sports or games when he tries them.

in general, he just HATES HATES losing at things so he tends to not do ANYTHING competitive.

he likes playing video games, but he will use cheats when available. whenever we play anything competitive against eachother and he loses, he ALWAYS makes excuses. he never wants to play party games like beer pong, horse shoes, cornhole, or any of that stuff. i just think in general he hates to lose so therefore he doesn't do anything that he knows he will not win at.

Your friend sounds like a giant pussy. Anyone who avoids competition because they "don't like losing" can't complain about a goddamn thing in my book. Competition is important because it forces you to identify your shortcomings in order to get better.
 
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slugg

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Wow, this thread exploded.

I'm really glad that my girlfriend also gets nothing out of sports
 

irishScott

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I'm rather apathetic. I like playing sports but I don't pay attention to scores nearly as much as a lot of other guys I know.
 

Zebo

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Life is both the physical and mental. I would just as soon give up reading as I would quit watching football or lifting weights.

Yeah healthy body healthy mind..not to mention sleep better, feel better have more energy etc I get really perturbed when I hear about canceling primary school sports due to budget. Sports are just as important as Algebra IMO in so far as teaching healthy habits teamwork dedication and whatnot. However watching doesn't do anything for people. Usually it's counter productive e.g. beer and pizza and sitting. That's why when you walk into a sports bar it looks like a weight loss clinic waiting room.
 
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Zebo

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Um, according to the World?

Where are you getting that from? Many countries did not have the same hyper-inflated importance placed on entertainers as we do. The more a country has to work to survive, the less a bunch of 'roided primates running around kicking a ball matter to them.

We have gotten so disjointed that we pay a football player more than a scientist. We pay a movie actor more than we pay a physician.

If you want to extend the comparison, we pay a broker more money to sell a house than all the people who designed and built it... combined. And we do that several times during its lifetime.

We also pay people more money to simply move money around than to actually produce anything that can be bought, sold or traded.

The "world" has said many things. If pop culture has anything to say about it, the World is seriously deranged and incredibly stupid. So if the "World" says that this is worth that much, I am inclined to think that it is not a very valid appraisal.

They're making their money honestly, unlike some people who have political leverage for no bid contracts, govt bailouts, banking scams etc. Market decides 100% in other words they are paid what they are worth.
 

surfsatwerk

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Mar 6, 2008
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Yeah healthy body healthy mind..not to mention sleep better, feel better have more energy etc I get really perturbed when I hear about canceling primary school sports due to budget. Sports are just as important as Algebra IMO in so far as teaching healthy habits teamwork dedication and whatnot. However watching doesn't do anything for people. Usually it's counter productive e.g. beer and pizza and sitting. That's why when you walk into a sports bar it looks like a weight loss clinic waiting room.

Well it's all a matter of personal preference. I watch a strongman competition or some other rigorous physical sport and it inspires me to greater effort in my own humble pursuits.
 

yllus

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Aug 20, 2000
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Yeah healthy body healthy mind..not to mention sleep better, feel better have more energy etc I get really perturbed when I hear about canceling primary school sports due to budget. Sports are just as important as Algebra IMO in so far as teaching healthy habits teamwork dedication and whatnot. However watching doesn't do anything for people. Usually it's counter productive e.g. beer and pizza and sitting. That's why when you walk into a sports bar it looks like a weight loss clinic waiting room.

"Your body has to be in top condition. Your chess deteriorates as your body does. You can't separate body from mind." - Bobby Fischer
 
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