Is ATI losing their edge?

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: reever

ATI corp is sitting back, tense, getting ready to see their stocks plummet

Stock fluctuates based on profit and sales, most of the sales come from low to midrange cards and OEM's, the rest makes very little difference.

correct, nVidia's stock is down $1.37 today... so as confirmed.. new product announcements don't make your stock go up.

"As for a true gaming machine you dont need a dvd burner. All you want is a HD, CD-ROM, MB, Video Card, and CPU"

God forbid I would want to use my computer for other things. I guess I'd better go buy a 2nd machine for my DVD burning needs.

 

[CaiNaM]

Stock fluctuates based on profit and sales, most of the sales come from low to midrange cards and OEM's, the rest makes very little difference.

that's not really true.. it fluctuates based on speculation of profits as well.

had the announcement day come, and nv announced "nv40 will be delayed", you can be sure stock would have plummeted... stock fluctuations are based as much on projections, speculations, and at times rumors as much as they are on hard profits.

 

[Genx87]

God forbid I would want to use my computer for other things. I guess I'd better go buy a 2nd machine for my DVD burning needs.


Isnt that the definition of a gaming machine???? If you want a workstation that plays games then load it up but a "gaming" machine shouldnt consist of much more than that.

I made one and am very glad I did. All I have to put on the thing is the OS + games. If I want to screw around developing, email, listening to MP3s, encoding movies, or anything else productive i have my workstation to do that.

And before people whine about not having the cash. Just turn your old game machine into your workstation and you are set.

 

[saqdeez]

stop making stupid threads. ATIs card isnt even out yet you moron

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: saqdeez
stop making stupid threads. ATIs card isnt even out yet you moron

no need to be so harsh

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Genx87
4x2 = 8
8x1 = 8

Most cards are multitextured, so if there are 4 ipxels, they each have 2 textures, so 4x2 = 8.
Both ATi and nVidia had a level playing field, as 8x1 was only as good as 4x2 since you needed the 2 per pixel.


If you are doing multitexturing but afaik most games will use single texturing except is some instances and afaik in future titles multitexturing with be replaced with pixel shaders.

Nope, you are wrong. Most games use multitexturing and rarely use single texturing. Single texturing is mostly only used by flight sim games. That's why FX5900 is able to stay competitive with 9800 in most games(except DX9 ones)

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Genx87
God forbid I would want to use my computer for other things. I guess I'd better go buy a 2nd machine for my DVD burning needs.


Isnt that the definition of a gaming machine???? If you want a workstation that plays games then load it up but a "gaming" machine shouldnt consist of much more than that.

I made one and am very glad I did. All I have to put on the thing is the OS + games. If I want to screw around developing, email, listening to MP3s, encoding movies, or anything else productive i have my workstation to do that.

And before people whine about not having the cash. Just turn your old game machine into your workstation and you are set.

lol.. and i have 3 pc's that can do both.. so what's your point? and who, exactly, defines what a "gaming machine" is?

it's not up to anyone else to dictate what people use their pc's for... lighten up.

 

[dh19440113]

If you don't like this thread saqdeez then get out, nobody asked a trouble maker like you to post on this thread.

I created this thread in order to make a hypothesis, based on the information Available. I am not making difinitive claims. Scientist, investigators, and stock speculators use hypothesis to make a prediction. It doesn't have to be right. A hypothesis is however useful. If my prediction is correct, and I sell my ATI stock before 4-26-04, then i won't lose a ton of money. I post my hypothesis here for you people to contribute more information that will make a better hypothesis.

 

[jasonja]

Originally posted by: Genx87
God forbid I would want to use my computer for other things. I guess I'd better go buy a 2nd machine for my DVD burning needs.


Isnt that the definition of a gaming machine???? If you want a workstation that plays games then load it up but a "gaming" machine shouldnt consist of much more than that.

I made one and am very glad I did. All I have to put on the thing is the OS + games. If I want to screw around developing, email, listening to MP3s, encoding movies, or anything else productive i have my workstation to do that.

And before people whine about not having the cash. Just turn your old game machine into your workstation and you are set.

My definition of a gaming machine is a computer that I can play all the latest games on, not a computer that I can ONLY play all the lastest games on. Your definition of a game machine sounds more like an Xbox/PS2 to me.

 

[Fricardo]

Originally posted by: mhayenga
wait wait... maybe I was too rude...

In this dire and desperate and awesome graphics battle there will be one winner... Needless to say, it will be me and my highly discounted 9800pro. Nice to know its waiting for me

Amen bruthu'!

 

[GeneralGrievous]

And before people whine about not having the cash. Just turn your old game machine into your workstation and you are set.

I am going to be a freshmen in college next year. You want me to have 2 comps and a TV in a 10 by 8 dorm room?

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: g3pro
ati moved their schedule of their 16x1 part 5 months ahead of schedule... * whistles *

I heeaaar you.
Let's hope that they make it my friend, for the sake of us, the end users.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Genx87
ATI's current cards have much lower clocks than Nvidias last set.......didnt stop them beating Nv did it?


Ya but ATI's last part had twice as pixel pipelines. So while the Nvidia card was clocked faster it could in theory only do half as much.

This time around both cards have the same amount of pipelines.

and don't forget that the ati card has at least a 20% clock speed advantage this time.

 

[nRollo]

LOL I wonder how many of these 5-6 post flame war guys are banned guys returning with a different email after their cable provider switched IPs for them?

Anyway, we don't know what ATIs up to, so I guess we can't comment on them "losing their edge".

No matter what they put out, even if it only performed midway between a 9800XT and a 6800Ultra, it would be stellar and way better than anything they've done to date, not to mention a reasonable alternative, especially if less than $500 with lower power requirements.

It boggles my mind how you guys run like yapping dogs from company to company touting their virtues as if the world depended on it.

I have news:
Although the FX series is less than ATI at DX9 PS2, they're still VERY good cards.

If the X800 is less than the 6800, it can still be a VERY good card.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: dh19440113
1. I thought ATi will be the first to roll out with the next gen card. They taped out first right?

2 Nvidia is having a field day, If i was ATi I would try to bust their chops. But all we get is silence, which suggest to me that Ati isn't very well prepared against Nv40's performance. I mean x800xt will be shipped in end of may, thats a month for Nvidia to gloat.

3. The x800pro will be priced at $399, compare to geforce 6800 at $299, (as suggest all over internet). These are equivalent cards with 12 pipeline. Nvidia has a huge price/performance advantage if the price are true. To make a mistake like that is foolish for ati. The mainstream market is the most important segment.

these three point does not bode well for ati.

1. who cares, its all about whos product hits the shelf first
2. all speculation
3. and what if the x800pro is consideraly better and warrents the price difference

in conclusion

Stop making opinions until you see products from both companies, and to a lesser extent, until you can actually buy them.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: dh19440113

1. who cares, its all about whos product hits the shelf first
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Only in short term sales. The creme always rises to the top.

 

[BFG10K]

Both ATi and nVidia had a level playing field, as 8x1 was only as good as 4x2 since you needed the 2 per pixel.

No. 8x1 was always equal to or better than 4x2 in both single and multi texturing. It always has double the pixel fillrate and either equal or double the texel fillrate.

There's a good reason why the 6800U is 16x1.

 

[jim1976]

It boggles my mind how you guys run like yapping dogs from company to company touting their virtues as if the world depended on it.

LOL! Ooohhh the hero is back!!!
Guess what? I have news for you. It's something called consumer benefit and gain.
But wait! Your idea of explaining things is better. No matter what they throw at me, I will stay a loyal soldier,even if I pay 500$ for the card I purchase. Who's the dog Rollo?

Not everybody throws 1000+ $ to buy 2-3 cards every year, so he can comment like you.
Even if I had that luxury, I wouldn't talk like you. Keep your weird principles for yourself.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Both ATi and nVidia had a level playing field, as 8x1 was only as good as 4x2 since you needed the 2 per pixel.

No. 8x1 was always equal to or better than 4x2 in both single and multi texturing. It always has double the pixel fillrate and either equal or double the texel fillrate.

There's a good reason why the 6800U is 16x1.

yet devious nvidia marketing never dies.

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: dh19440113

1. I thought ATi will be the first to roll out with the next gen card. They taped out first right?

2 Nvidia is having a field day, If i was ATi I would try to bust their chops. But all we get is silence, which suggest to me that Ati isn't very well prepared against Nv40's performance. I mean x800xt will be shipped in end of may, thats a month for Nvidia to gloat.

3. The x800pro will be priced at $399, compare to geforce 6800 at $299, (as suggest all over internet). These are equivalent cards with 12 pipeline. Nvidia has a huge price/performance advantage if the price are true. To make a mistake like that is foolish for ati. The mainstream market is the most important segment.

these three point does not bode well for ati.

ATI has lead for almost two years. It is not advantageous to release any product before necessary to maintain that lead. Unlike NVIDIA, ATI maintains a policy of not hyping product until it is available. All shall be revealed in about two months.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Both ATi and nVidia had a level playing field, as 8x1 was only as good as 4x2 since you needed the 2 per pixel.

No. 8x1 was always equal to or better than 4x2 in both single and multi texturing. It always has double the pixel fillrate and either equal or double the texel fillrate.

There's a good reason why the 6800U is 16x1.

What single texturing situation?
(There are a few, but only a few really, so it's pretty much equal, as I said)