Is brown rice healthy option

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RPD

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Calories, especially spread out over a longer digestive period, are essential to a healthy diet. You want to try to pretend they are bad but they are only bad when rapidly absorbed faster than the body can use them. This is much easier to do with processed foods including grains like rice.

Fat, plant based fat is the best way to get the recommended daily allowance required to healthy. It is a virtue.

Sugars, too little to bother thinking about.

Yes fiber and protein instead of essentially a blood sugar spike, is the most important factor, second to more minerals and natural forms of vitamins which have different bioavailability than the cheapest forms of synthetics used to enrich processed grains. Processed rice is simply less nutritious and causes a deficit in a healthy diet.

Yes you should get much of your nutrition from other sources, then not eat anything that causes a deficit unless it's some kind of craving and frankly, rice isn't on my top 50 list of cravings.

You have zero evidence that processed white rice is actually better except this idea about bodybuilders wanting a faster glucose boost which as I've already stated, is exactly why it's worse nutrition for everyone else.

Want the best nutrition? Eat only the bran, and germ, the parts removed from processed white rice, not the remaining rice! Most people already consume excess carbs even if they are whole grains. Most people also come nowhere near their RDA of most nutrients by trying to get them from other sources so they were already at a deficit before doing without the nutrients in whole grains opposed to processed.

Thinking only in terms of calories or fat is absurd since anyone can just choose what size portion to eat.
I already posted evidence, unlike anyone else in this thread who just keeps repeating it's healthier because reasons! As I already stated several times, they are different and part of a diet depending on what you want out of either it's a wash at the end of the day when you consider EVERYTHING ELSE people are eating. But if eating shittier tasting rice makes you think "I'm eating healthy" have at it.
 

RPD

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Then it wasn't because of the rice unless you consumed an excessive amount, rather excess of something else that offset the effect of the fast digesting processed rice.
You mean like the other part of a diet people should be eating instead of a bowl of plain rice? Genius!
 

mindless1

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^ I mean your diet was less healthy (than it otherwise could have been) to have the result you did.
 

mindless1

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I already posted evidence, unlike anyone else in this thread who just keeps repeating it's healthier because reasons! As I already stated several times, they are different and part of a diet depending on what you want out of either it's a wash at the end of the day when you consider EVERYTHING ELSE people are eating. But if eating shittier tasting rice makes you think "I'm eating healthy" have at it.
No, you posted some numbers and tried to pretend we should fixate on what you think is important, which isn't, while you ignore all the rest of the evidence.

All your evidence was, was already rebuked as worthless. You NEED the healthy plant fats in your diet, and you CAN choose how many calories to consume no matter what particular food it is.

It's not "a wash" at the end of the day. It's one or the other with the only time white is better is if you have an allergic or digestive problem with whole rice (or other grains), OR a particular case where you are training and will burn off the otherwise excessive blood sugar.

We don't have to consider everything else, or anything else to make smart choices eating, the same choices involved when deciding what else to eat, apply to rice as well.

At the same time, someone shouldn't be miserable eating things they don't like, so if you prefer white rice for taste or texture, that's different topic and not a just cause for you to ignore the majority of the evidence and selectively focus on irrelevant numbers.
 

RPD

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No, you posted some numbers and tried to pretend we should fixate on what you think is important, which isn't, while you ignore all the rest of the evidence.

All your evidence was, was already rebuked as worthless. You NEED the healthy plant fats in your diet, and you CAN choose how many calories to consume no matter what particular food it is.

It's not "a wash" at the end of the day. It's one or the other with the only time white is better is if you have an allergic or digestive problem with whole rice (or other grains), OR a particular case where you are training and will burn off the otherwise excessive blood sugar.

We don't have to consider everything else, or anything else to make smart choices eating, the same choices involved when deciding what else to eat, apply to rice as well.

At the same time, someone shouldn't be miserable eating things they don't like, so if you prefer white rice for taste or texture, that's different topic and not a just cause for you to ignore the majority of the evidence and selectively focus on irrelevant numbers.
Oh you mean I posted actual nutritional facts? Holy fuck you are stupid. As I stated, what 3 times, they are DIFFERENT. Depending on WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF EACH. Then tied with HOW MUCH RICE PEOPLE ACTUALLY EAT A DAY.
ITS
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WASH

Do you have some hypothetical scenario of someone eating 10 cups of just rice all day every day and that's it?
Christ fucking arm chair more.
 

mindless1

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Oh you mean I posted actual nutritional facts? Holy fuck you are stupid. As I stated, what 3 times, they are DIFFERENT. Depending on WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF EACH. Then tied with HOW MUCH RICE PEOPLE ACTUALLY EAT A DAY.
ITS
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WASH

Do you have some hypothetical scenario of someone eating 10 cups of just rice all day every day and that's it?
Christ fucking arm chair more.
NO, you pretended that your interpretation of the data was important while ignoring everything that was more important.

It's not a wash. You're ignorant due to not being mentally able to process the pros and cons... just took some simpleton approach to it based on what bodybuilders do.

Whine about it all you want and if you prefer to degrade your health because you prefer the taste of processed crap, that's karma, baby.
 

RPD

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NO, you pretended that your interpretation of the data was important while ignoring everything that was more important.

It's not a wash. You're ignorant due to not being mentally able to process the pros and cons... just took some simpleton approach to it based on what bodybuilders do.

Whine about it all you want and if you prefer to degrade your health because you prefer the taste of processed crap, that's karma, baby.
Because sugar and fat aren't important things to track in a diet right? You have some really off the wall thoughts when it comes to food and health in general.

Right all those people eating white rice and degrading their health.
Go arm chair some more.
 

mindless1

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Because sugar and fat aren't important things to track in a diet right? You have some really off the wall thoughts when it comes to food and health in general.

Right all those people eating white rice and degrading their health.
Go arm chair some more.
You seem to want to selectively ignore the facts. The fact is, you're supposed to have fat in a healthy diet, but plant based, like that found in rice. Even then, it is a relatively low fat food and you will need more/other plant based fats to reach the RDA of fat in your diet in a healthy way.

The sugar, is such a small amount, it's ridiculous that you bothered to mention it. Another part of a healthy diet is fruits and vegetables, which have a lot more sugar than rice. The key is to have a balance of naturally occurring vitamins and minerals, which with whole grains happens because they are not processed.

You have no clue what good nutrition is, but it will catch up to you (your health) eventually. Empty calories with synthetic vitamins added back are the opposite of good nutrition. That bodybuilders need extra carbs so choose something quick to digest, isn't proof of anything, and not good for them either except for the specific purpose of building more muscle through a longer workout.

Anything you read which suggests it's a wash because of the overly simplistic comparison you're parroting, is coming from an armchair blogger rather than a (real) dietitian. Sadly you have an inability to assess the quality of your sources of information.
 
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The sugar, is such a small amount, it's ridiculous that you bothered to mention it. Another part of a healthy diet is fruits and vegetables, which have a lot more sugar than rice. The key is to have a balance of naturally occurring vitamins and minerals, which with whole grains happens because they are not processed.
I don't think he is referring to the sugar in the food itself, but rather the glycemic index and load resulting from it. For instance: An apple can have glycemic index of 41 which is considered pretty low, and a load of 10. White rice can have an GI of 87 (very high) and a load of 50.

https://glycemic-index.net/
 

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^ While that's true, it appears as though the reference is instead to what was posted previously, having 0.4g more sugar:

 

RPD

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You seem to want to selectively ignore the facts. The fact is, you're supposed to have fat in a healthy diet, but plant based, like that found in rice. Even then, it is a relatively low fat food and you will need more/other plant based fats to reach the RDA of fat in your diet in a healthy way.

The sugar, is such a small amount, it's ridiculous that you bothered to mention it. Another part of a healthy diet is fruits and vegetables, which have a lot more sugar than rice. The key is to have a balance of naturally occurring vitamins and minerals, which with whole grains happens because they are not processed.

You have no clue what good nutrition is, but it will catch up to you (your health) eventually. Empty calories with synthetic vitamins added back are the opposite of good nutrition. That bodybuilders need extra carbs so choose something quick to digest, isn't proof of anything, and not good for them either except for the specific purpose of building more muscle through a longer workout.

Anything you read which suggests it's a wash because of the overly simplistic comparison you're parroting, is coming from an armchair blogger rather than a (real) dietitian. Sadly you have an inability to assess the quality of your sources of information.
Keep droning on with your nonsense, you are a keyboard champ. You've been unable to substantiate anything you state. Show me YOUR typical 3 meal plan of YOUR healthy diet, do it for however much you think a healthy amount of rice is, the crunch the numbers for the healthy brown rice and the bad, evil white rice.
I'll wait.
 

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^ The burden is not on me to do more than I already have, state why your argument is wrong except for specific niche dietary requirements, not for the average person.

My 3 meal plan minimizes processed foods, especially grain based. I get a lot more natural rather than synthetic vitamins, and a lot more minerals saved from processing. Those are the relevant #s you keep ignoring, not whether I eat 1000 grains of rice or choose to eat 900 instead because I want 10% fewer calories.

It's just that simple. Eat the healthier food and eat the correct quantity for your weight loss/maintenance/gain dietary plan, unless you just really hate the taste and that's a different matter than nutrition.
 
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RPD

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^ The burden is not on me to do more than I already have, state why your argument is wrong except for specific niche dietary requirements, not for the average person.

My 3 meal plan minimizes processed foods, especially grain based. I get a lot more natural rather than synthetic vitamins, and a lot more minerals saved from processing. Those are the relevant #s you keep ignoring, not whether I eat 1000 grains of rice or choose to eat 900 instead because I want 10% fewer calories.

It's just that simple. Eat the healthier food and eat the correct quantity for your weight loss/maintenance/gain dietary plan, unless you just really hate the taste and that's a different matter than nutrition.
You've provided nothing other than your own opinions. We are done here.
 

mindless1

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^ On the contrary, everything I've stated is backed by reputable sources. You can do your own web search, as can everyone else.
 

mindless1

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^ I trust dieticians. This is pointless, we can all search the internet for info. Well, yourself excepted.
 
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Muse

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Brown rice is a nice source of arsenic

Rice in general, however it does vary quite a bit. Some areas of the USA produce rice that is markedly higher in arsenic content than others. There's info online. In general you can overdo it with rice, there are guidelines.

All other considerations being "equal," of course brown rice is "healthier" than white rice, for reasons cited above.
 

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I'll just throw this in here: a healthy alternative to any kind of rice is quinoa. Complete protein, practically no arsenic.
 

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I'll just throw this in here: a healthy alternative to any kind of rice is quinoa. Complete protein, practically no arsenic.
Quinoa is okay once in a while. It simply cannot replace rice in my cooking though. Cajun, Creole, and Asian dishes I make all need rice. My favorites are Jasmine and Basmati.

I have no intention of giving it up either. I rarely eat out. When I do it is usually fresh whole food made by local mom&pop places. I don't really enjoy chain food. Be it fast, fast casual, casual, whatev. I don't do snacky cakes, cheesy poofs, candy, soda, or any of that other sugary and/or empty carbs crap either.

Point being; white rice may not be the healthiest thing to eat, but we all pick and choose what to shove in our gobs. I choose white rice over all of that other stuff.
 
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Muse

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Point being; white rice may not be the healthiest thing to eat, but we all pick and choose what to shove in our gobs. I choose white rice over all of that other stuff.
When I buy white rice, it's Basmati and I have plenty on hand, but most of the time I make rice it's the organic short grain brown they sell at Costco in 15lb bags. I cook it in my Instant Pot, set it and forget it. Store in the fridge and it keeps really well, reheat in the microwave. I like it a lot!

I think both the Indian Basmati and California grown organic short grain brown I buy are likely relatively low in arsenic content.

Yeah, quinoa is an occasional thing for me, not regular at all.
 
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I think both the Indian Basmati and California grown organic short grain brown I buy are likely relatively low in arsenic content.
That's true. Basmati and Jasmine have the lowest arsenic content if imported from Nepal, India and Pakistan coz their soils are low in arsenic.
 
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That's true. Basmati and Jasmine have the lowest arsenic content if imported from Nepal, India and Pakistan coz their soils are low in arsenic.
Yes, relatively low, but the reading I have done concerning this suggests not negligible and that it's still a good idea to not be unconcerned about eating too much rice. The plants are exceptionally prone to drawing arsenic out of the soils they grow in.
 
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The plants are exceptionally prone to drawing arsenic out of the soils they grow in.
Another risk is the water. If it's unfiltered, it may have a high arsenic content. Any rice soaked in such water will absorb too much of it.
 

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I dunno . . . . I stumbled in here, with my ongoing anxiety about my type-2 Diabetes diagnosis. After the July 7 blood test, the A1C was "lower", and the doctor's comment was "A little bit lower -- ok . . ." I just decided to have two Pacifico beers today, starting a couple hours ago. And I'm trying to decide on what we'll have for dinner this evening.

I could just bake another salmon filet, or pick a frozen PF Chang chinese dinner, and make brown rice. I see my primary care doctor on August 7. He'll probably have more ideas. There was a little extra protein (albumin?) in my pee. So now I'm worried about my kidneys.

I was just bouncing along just fine until spring, 2017 -- eat what I want, not a care in the world. Six years ago, I was 69. It is either Life or Death which creeps up on a person, and I'm not sure which to call it . . .

As for exercise. I could continue trying to walk up and down this hill daily. But even though my part of So-Cal was still pushing close to 100F today, we're still doing OK, compared to other parts of the country. But I'm not really up to trimming our hedges today, and I missed my climb up the hill. Too . . . freakin' . . . . hot . . .

So . . . brown rice and General Tso's chicken? Maybe. Maybe the salmon filet. As long as I worry about it, it doesn't make me happy. Food thoughts always made me happier in the past.
 
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