Is California Worth The Hype?

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zerocool84

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Probably fine to visit or work part of the year, but wouldn't plan on staying there permanently. I left in November. Just sick of the f'ing LA traffic and high prices, looking to buy a house.

This is about what I could afford with a 30min-1hr commute in LA. Built in the 1930s, 835 sqft, complete shit hole: http://www.trulia.com/property/3132180093-1550-W-Colegrove-Ave-Montebello-CA-90640#photo-1

This is what I could easily afford out here in Indiana. Built in 2013, 2,450 sqft, beautiful home: http://www.trulia.com/property/3121512075-5515-Covington-Dr-Charlestown-IN-47111#photo-1

Because it's in Indiana

As usual it's location location location. It's cheaper because no one wants to live there.
 
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Let me guess, LA is #1, and SF/SJ #2. It's a problem for sure.

I think the SF area has bad traffic during rush hour, but it isn't as problematic since things are more compact. Unless you're doing a commute between the South Bay and SF.

I'm comparing this to cities like Washington DC and LA which have bad traffic and have massive highways and awful sprawl.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Oddly enough OP, I actually miss Midwest winters. Love Dallas except for the summer heat and mild winters (though this year's been decent so far).
 

K1052

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I am moving my primary residence to SF in March. I love Chicago and it's very reasonable cost of living but my SO just got a significant promotion which requires relocation to SF. The Day After Tomorrow style winter we are having has definitely helped along the decision making process. I'll have to commute back every other week or so but I can live with that.

If you like SF, only have to pay $800 in rent, and have a consulting gig that's base agnostic then I'd say give it a try.
 

RockinZ28

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Because it's in Indiana

As usual it's location location location. It's cheaper because no one wants to live there.

I just don't get the appeal unless maybe you're part of the 1%. So we have to put on a jacket during the winter in Indy? Not worth a 2-3x increase in price, horrible traffic and bs laws.

I work with 5 people that relocated themselves and their families from SoCal to out here. They all love it. We'll enjoy vacationing there, but fuck living.
 

JulesMaximus

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As long as you can tolerate the massive collective and individual egos of a giant mesh of douche-bag extraordinaires in their own mind, by tolerate I mean ignore, you'll be hard pressed not to find satisfaction with the environment and weather.

It's not that you're an asshole if you live in California, it's just that a ton of fucking assholes are here. Mostly on the motorways, but they are busy yupping it up everywhere. The kind of folks, and i've heard it more the once from some real uppities, think their shit (literally) is better than others.

Honestly, I've run into very few people like that here.
 

JMapleton

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I work with 5 people that relocated themselves and their families from SoCal to out here. They all love it. We'll enjoy vacationing there, but fuck living.

Uhhh, CA has it's downfalls, but I wouldn't go as far to say rural Indiana is better than CA. I think I'd rather even take CA over rural Indiana. I need the amenities of an actual city.
 

Craig234

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The answer is yes, but you need to be careful where in CA. It has everything from the neighborhood with billionares to rural areas to traffic to crime, you want to pick well.

I live affordably in the 'heart of the bay area' where I can walk to the local BART (above ground subway type train), but I had an attempted burglary again 3 hours ago.

A couple miles away are nicer homes with much lower crime.
 

RockinZ28

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Uhhh, CA has it's downfalls, but I wouldn't go as far to say rural Indiana is better than CA. I think I'd rather even take CA over rural Indiana. I need the amenities of an actual city.

I'm not looking to live in a rural area. 10-20 minutes from downtown Louisville. Lot of new housing, shopping, schools and development.
 

sportage

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To answer the op, absolutely definitely yes.
I suppose it depends on where in CA you live, I can only speak for San Diego.
San Diego, where living is pure paradise "if" you don't have to hold down 4 jobs to get by, or live in the part of town where most homes have bars on the windows, and if you have the money and time to enjoy the benefits of San Diego.
I was one of the lucky ones where I had a very good income from my one job, lived in a great part of the city, and enjoyed most every positive San Diego had to offer.
But friends that tried to move there seeking the same experience ended up not so lucky.
One relative that tried moving to SD held down 3 full time jobs and 1 part time and still had a hard time of it financially.
Then he was diagnosed, tragically, with a terminal illness and passed away two years later after first moving to SD.
I myself had a lot of spare time on my hands but few friends were that lucky, so it was hard for friends to find the same free time to kick around and travel. Let alone have the money to kick around.
So it depends.
I do miss the weather forecasts, day after day, week after week, month after month (for the most part), "Night and morning fog along the coast with clearing and a high of 72".
Amazing how boring that repetitive forecast could become, forgetting what weather was like back in the real world.
Actually, compared to the midwest, I found CA and San Diego less expensive.
Sure you might have a $1500+ monthly rent or mortgage payment out in San Diego, but never a $400+ monthly heating bill added to that monthly expense.
And I found a huge difference with so many other expenses as compared to living back in the midwest. Probably because of supply and demand, availability, and opportunity.
And the car never fell apart from exposure to harsh weather conditions as was the case living back in the midwest.
In the midwest, especially during the long winter season, staying healthy fit and exercising can be a big huge massive lard ass of a challenge.
Back in San Diego, just try and not get exercise.
Exercise exists in its natural state of being and was very hard to avoid.
And few people with that pasty sickly white skin look that most everyone has back in the midwest especially during those long hard cold dreary Winter seasons.
Worth the hype? Is paradise vs hell worth the hype?
 
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Leyawiin

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He lives in Alameda.

Alameda's nice and its not too far from the City (although it can kind of be a pain getting in and out of the island at rush hour). It sounds like you have a perfect set up with your dad and your work that allows you to live anywhere. I say go for it - Chicago will always be there and there are tons of people that come to California for a few years for whatever reason. Its a good way to see an entirely different part of the country and who knows - you might meet someone here that'll open a whole new chapter in your life.
 

xeemzor

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Serious response: Have you considered renting a place here just for a few months during the winter? My Father-In-Law has a house in Rancho Mirage he rents to a Chicago snow bird for 2-3 months a year every year... sucks because he's there now and we can't use the place. I'll be out there in May though with my wife and son for Memorial Day weekend.
That would be a good option if I didn’t already have a place at my Dad’s. Not sure I need my own separate house at this point in my life. If things start to change, like finding a SO in SF, than maybe I would reconsider.
There are many other towns/cities without the weather of Chicago that aren't in California. A great compromise might be Denver (if you still want to be in a city). It has winter, but not the death-grip black-ice winters of the upper midwest. Sunny 300 days a year, but you still have four seasons, laid back, reasonably priced. Then there's the south or not-quite-so south, like Nashville. Many, many other cool cities in this country - Seattle, New Orleans, Charlotte, and a thousand smaller towns within an easy drive of those cities if you want to catch a ball game or a symphony orchestra.

You're young, you have little tying you down. Get out and explore.
California is the most logic choice because of cheap rent at my Dad’s house and a semi-established relationship with friends. It’s much easier to go someplace with roots vs going out all by yourself.

Ok. Let's say I make $150k a year. What neighborhood would I be living in?
It doesn’t make sense to own property in Chicago right now for a whole list of political and financial reasons. Also, with my job I have no clue where I’m going to be in 2 years so why even consider buying property.

Money is really not a factor for deciding which Chicago neighborhood you want to live in outside of River North. Anyone can afford to live in a reasonable Lincoln Park apartment with a roommate. It’s more a question of how dense of an environment you are looking for and what you need out of a city. My current neighborhood is Lincoln Square and I love it. It offers a great mix of density, culture, public transit, ability to park on the street easily and for free, and green space. Even if I made 5x what I do now I would have no desire to move.
San Diego is not even that expensive. Bay Area on the other hand... if you aren't in tech and taking advantage of the location and opportunities, it may not be worth it. For $800/month in SF, worth it though.
Technically, I do IT consulting but I would not be getting a salary bump since the company did not request for me to move. However, I’m hoping that the cheaper rent will offset the Midwest salary.
 

bradly1101

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I have lived in the Midwest my whole life so I'm used to dealing with crappy winters. Every year it's always been depressing as I feel trapped in my apartment, never able to really get outside and do things. Even with proper clothing it's not fun to have dig out your car every 3-4 days. It would be OK if it lasted 2 months, but 4-5 months is painful. This year has been a particularly rough winter and got me wondering if warm weather climates are worth making a move for.

Visiting my Dad is San Francisco has been a breath of fresh air. Grass and trees are actually green, not dead looking a snow covered. The bay is beautiful and there are a ton of fun things to do outside. Even with fog it still feels sunny and cheerful. People seem more relaxed and focused on enjoying life.

Since I do consulting my job is location agnostic. I don't really want to leave my home in Chicago but am really sick of winter. Theoretically, I might be able to get away with living in San Francisco for Dec-April and Chicago from May-November. I'm 26, single, earn good salary, and still have a few more years before I settle down. But is it worth the hassel? The only things holding me back are a few friends, half my family, and the fact that everything is way cheaper in Chicago.

I grew up in southern CA and the weather is hard to beat. I remember visiting back east in the summertime. The humidity was so oppressive compared to here.

I always thought it would be fun to live where it snows, but news reports sunk that idea.

I moved up to Sacramento for my job in the early nineties. I wanted to be between, and within easy driving distance of SF and the Sierra. It worked out great. We would go to The City (that's what it's called up there) for the day. Then up to Tahoe to ski for the weekend. Then Santa Cruz and Yosemite, then Big Sur and Squaw. It was the life! Snow on my terms!

Yosemite is 200 mi/4-5 hours from SF. CA has a lot to offer.

From one of those trips up to Yosemite:

 

Old Hippie

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As long as you can tolerate the massive collective and individual egos of a giant mesh of douche-bag extraordinaires in their own mind, by tolerate I mean ignore, you'll be hard pressed not to find satisfaction with the environment and weather.

It's not that you're an asshole if you live in California, it's just that a ton of fucking assholes are here. Mostly on the motorways, but they are busy yupping it up everywhere. The kind of folks, and i've heard it more the once from some real uppities, think their shit (literally) is better than others.

That mirrors my experience exactly.

I have little tolerance for phony/plastic people and while I'm sure there are many honest/real people there I didn't run across any native Californians that weren't phony.

Most of my friends moved there in the late 70's thru the 80's and all returned except one......and he fit the description of phony when he was here.
 

Dr. Detroit

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I live affordably in the 'heart of the bay area' where I can walk to the local BART (above ground subway type train), but I had an attempted burglary again 3 hours ago.

A couple miles away are nicer homes with much lower crime.


So you live in Hayward?
 

djnsmith7

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I wouldn't live in SoCal, but I've lived in NorCal all my life. I don't think I'll ever move out of the area. Yes, the cost of living is sky-high, can't argue that. But as others have said, if you can find a good job, you can make it work. It will be difficult for a while, but will be worth it in the end.

The City is an hour away (north) & Capitola / Santa Cruz are 40 minutes south (very nice beaches). If you tack on another 25 minutes (south), you'll run into Monterey, Pacific Grove, Pebble Beach (17 Mile Drive) & Carmel. These are all places that pictures on the internet & postcards don't do justice. You have to be there to appreciate what they offer. I used to spend almost every weekend in that area & it was always impressive.

The Silicon Valley (Bay Area) is great too. Good places to eat & shop (3 Fry's Electronics in the South Bay alone) tons of shopping malls at every freeway exit.

Tons of high tech companies (job opportunities) a short drive away. Microsoft (Motorola), Yahoo, Google, Apple, AMD, Intel, Global Foundries just built a new facility, Samsung, Toshiba, Micron, Oracle, Cisco (Cisco has its own street, Cisco Way, they own every building on the street: 16, IIRC), etc., they all have offices here.

The rent is insane here though, no question, & it's getting worse.
 

Imported

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My fiance moved from Milwaukee. She says she'd never go back besides to visit family/friends because of the winters. The past few years her parents have come out for Christmas. Finally our turn to go there next Christmas and I'm not looking forward to it.
 
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