Is California Worth The Hype?

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zerocool84

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I just don't get the appeal unless maybe you're part of the 1%. So we have to put on a jacket during the winter in Indy? Not worth a 2-3x increase in price, horrible traffic and bs laws.

I work with 5 people that relocated themselves and their families from SoCal to out here. They all love it. We'll enjoy vacationing there, but fuck living.

Well of course there are some people that would prefer to live in Indiana but fact of the matter is that the reason why it's cheaper to live in one place compared to another because that cheaper place is generally less desirable.
 

uclaLabrat

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Honestly, there are good things and bad things about living anywhere and everyone has different priorities. I grew up in and lived most of my adult life in southern california, and it's home. I think it's the best place ever, as it has everything to offer that you could possibly hope for.

I lived in manhattan for 2 years and absolutely hated it. I made some great friends, generally enjoyed my work except for certain areas, and the city has a lot to offer, but living there my wife and I were miserable. However, there are plenty of people who would never live anywhere else, and their reasons are just as valid.

People bitch about all sorts of things in CA, traffic and high cost of living being the primary ones. Honestly, it doesn't faze me much, I'd love to live in a low cost area, but they're low cost for a reason. I'm used to traffic and plan my trips accordingly...I try not to leave during rush hour to go anywhere that involves a bad freeway. I can generally get anywhere in a 100 mile radius in less than 2 hours, on either side of LA all the way to san diego.

Bottom line: You have to make the trip and see if it works for you. It is what you make it, but you can have anything here, there's lots of opportunity.
 

jpiniero

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Well of course there are some people that would prefer to live in Indiana but fact of the matter is that the reason why it's cheaper to live in one place compared to another because that cheaper place is generally less desirable.

Well, yeah, because of the weather. The housing price disparity isn't as bad in the rest of CA, it's just SF/SJ that's bonkers.
 

skim milk

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Bay area/SF is the most overrated city in the US. It's ridiculously expensive in all aspects especially housing. The nightlife is a joke. Since you're a single guy, the female/male ratio is the worst in the country. You will find many unattractive women thinking they are a 9 in SF. Too many guys competing for slim pickings. The women are nicknamed 49ers for a reason. Research on google and you will see what I am talking about. The weather in SF is just okay. South bay you can find the warmer weather but SF peninsula will be colder than you expect with 24/7 fog in certain areas. Let's not forget the drug addicts, real oddballs of society, and homeless all centralized in this city that you will encounter everyday. I can go on but you can find out for yourself.
 
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Craig234

Lifer
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Bay area/SF is the most overrated city in the US. It's ridiculously expensive in all aspects especially housing. The nightlife is a joke. Since you're a single guy, the female/male ratio is the worst in the country. You will find many unattractive women thinking they are a 9 in SF. Too many guys competing for slim pickings. The women are nicknamed 49ers for a reason. Research on google and you will see what I am talking about. The weather in SF is just okay. South bay you can find the warmer weather but SF peninsula will be colder than you expect with 24/7 fog in certain areas. Let's not forget the drug addicts, real oddballs of society, and homeless all centralized in this city that you will encounter everyday. I can go on but you can find out for yourself.

LOL.

Of course, look where he is - Los Angeles. There's a rivalry.
 

darkxshade

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Live in New York City once but leave before it makes you hard
Live in Northern California once but leave before it makes you soft
 

SSSnail

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LOL.

Of course, look where he is - Los Angeles. There's a rivalry.
Of course, he lived in the Bay Area for a few years I believe, but his story is still the same down South in LA.

I'm willing to bet women are still ignoring him, and his nightlife still sucks, and whatever he describes about SF is just the same for LA. Replace some descriptions with others, and it's pretty much the same story for him.
 

jhansman

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Depends on where you land. LA is a mess, as is most of SoCal. Norther Call (north of the Bay area) is completely different from the southern half. Would I live anywhere else? No. Within eight hours I can be in alpine wilderness, low desert, gorgeous Pacific coastline, or rolling pasture, teeming city or as alone as I could possible be. Where else can you do that in the U.S.?
 

skim milk

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Of course, he lived in the Bay Area for a few years I believe, but his story is still the same down South in LA.

I'm willing to bet women are still ignoring him, and his nightlife still sucks, and whatever he describes about SF is just the same for LA. Replace some descriptions with others, and it's pretty much the same story for him.


No one is ignoring anyone you moron. I am doing great in Socal. In fact, I am loving life here. Get your facts straight.
 

AViking

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I've lived in most parts of California as well as the midwest. To answer your question I think you have to recognize that what you think is worth it is completely relative. However with that said my entire family is from the midwest and the last remaining part is moving to California this year. Took about 100 years but they're all going to be gone and in CA or Texas now.

Midwest (for me you can include Ohio, Illinois, and Wisconsin)
Incredibly friendly people. I know that people will say that Chicago is not friendly but if you compare Chicago to Los Angeles they're much friendlier. It only gets better in other parts of the midwest.
Far cheaper. You can live in a castle in the midwest, literally, for the price of an upper middle class home in CA
Besides the circle in Chicago the traffic is much much better
It's super cold - colder than Stockholm
Too much snow
You are pretty much stuck indoors for 6 months and this leads to a relatively unhealthy lifestyle. You can go to the gym and that's about it. Way too many fat people.
It's flat and boring.
Life in the midwest pretty much consisted of work, school, strip malls, eating out, and movies. Not impressed at all. I would rate the quality of life here really low unless your sole purpose is to be a homebody.

California

Sacramento - Too hot during the summer and too cold during the winter but better than the midwest since it's not too expensive and you have the mountains and beach only a few hours away. Personally I don't recommend sacramento since you drive forever in traffic between strip malls and unless you go to the river, old town, or drive all the way to the mountains or bay it's pretty boring. Lots of people there commute all the way to the bay so you might find yourself in the car for 3-5 hours a day here. Even with a short commute you should expect 45 minutes one way. Plus when there's fog on the 80 it's a pretty dangerous freeway to drive on because of the up and down nature of the freeway going in and out of the fog. Luckily that's rare.

Los Angeles - Huge city. I'm going to completely ignore the inland empire since nobody should want to live there. I've lived on the beaches, in west LA, and as far south as Long Beach and I pretty much divide the city up into two crowds. You have the business side of people there to make lots of money and the artistic side with hollywood and aspiring actors and artists. The business side is dirty and although the salaries are high it is utterly soulless. One of the worst experiences of my life was working in this part of LA. The artistic side is friendly and nice but most people don't make it and unlike the midwest a lot of that friendliness might not be authentic but more meant to score contacts. Life in LA is pretty much a battle against traffic and quality of life. If you have a short commute and make $150,000 or more a year you'll enjoy LA. If not you will be unhappy. It really boils down to that. To get the short commute you will need to pay rather enormous amounts of money. If you have the money though it's pretty fun to live on the beach. People are vapid though and I had to leave since everything revolved around money, people are not very friendly, and if you want to go anywhere else you have to battle the freeways. If you're going to live in LA try to be around the Hollywood area. I think that might be your best bet. Better yet just don't go there unless you have a short term strategy of making hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions and then leaving.

San Diego - Awesome city. If I move back to the US it's going to be to San Diego or the Bay Area. I have lived, worked, and studied there and was very impressed. Unlike the rest of CA it is much more family oriented. Traffic is completely manageable as long as you don't have a shitty job. I had my work and school schedule organized so that I could skip all the high traffic times. They're pretty predictable. The only time I got hit was driving down the 5 during DelMar races on Wednesdays and it might have added 30 minutes to my commute. To do this in LA is impossible unless you can leave work at 5am and 2pm and don't have to drive on any of the major freeways. San Diego has multiple crowds and odds are you can find one you like. Weather wise you really can't beat San Diego. I have been all over the world and San Diego and only a few other select places in the world like parts of Portugal enjoy that level of amazing weather. If it's too hot you drive to the beach. Too cold you drive to El Cajon. The thing is that we're literally talking about the difference between 70 and 90 degrees. Not 110 and 35 degrees like in Sacramento.

Bay Area - It's enormous. Not as big as LA but not to be underestimated. The city, Marin, Wine Country, Silicon Valley, San Jose, East Bay, South Bay, etc. And I'm overlapping a bit. You want to stay the hell away from Oakland but besides that you can live pretty much wherever you want. You need to be able to afford it though. Alameda can't be that bad but living in the city with less than a few million in the bank is probably a bad idea. People here are friendly, but not as friendly as San Diego. You really need to find your niche though. Into the bohemian lifestyle? Tech world? Anything in between? You'll find it. Traffic is pretty horrible in the bay so be prepared. One thing I've noticed is that most people in CA like to say that their traffic isn't so bad. Truth is that it's pretty bad no matter where you are. The 101 is a parking lot so there goes the North Bay. The 580 is hit and miss but my god Berkeley please get your act together so there goes the East Bay. Driving through the city is a bit of luck. You might hit every red light. I've hit every green light a few times but it's rare. Even in the middle of the night coming home from a club I've hit every red light with empty streets. WTF!? It also rains a lot more in Northern CA. I know it's a drought right now but the last two days should be a reminder of what rain is really like up there. I remember it raining for something crazy like 3 months straight. Was nuts. You really better learn how to drive in milk thick fog, torrential rains, and with black ice. If you're into nature though the Bay Area and it's surroundings is hard to beat. It is stunning.

All in all I would do the Bay or San Diego. You need to be able to pull in a good salary though. Living in CA with less than say $75,000 a year can't be fun. You're going to be in your car for a lot of the day so you're going to want a nice car. Housing is expensive. Your $800 a month is a steal so I would say go for it and see what you think but at the end of the day you need to have a strategy to make 6 figures either alone or as a couple. If you're going to have kids you are going to need a ton of money for daycare and other costs. Health wise it's outstanding. I would often go bike riding and surfing on the beach everyday after work. Others snowboard or do yoga. Whatever floats your boat you will be healthy or you will not fit in there. Ok well there are fat people but why live in CA and be fat? That makes no sense and just screams unhealthy and lazy. Quality of life can be very high in CA but it can also be very low. If you don't make enough money that's obvious but if your commute is too long that is another big problem. Do the math. If you have a 3 hour commute and work a 9 hour day that's 12 hours away from home. That means you're going to have time to go to the gym for an hour, eat, and go to bed 5 days a week. Or not sleep. You're going to be swamped with things to catch up on during the weekends so at best you're going to have one day a week to have fun. Might be better to have a job somewhere else with a shorter commute and better hours. I for one don't think it's worth making more money only to spend it on more bills but not have time to enjoy myself.
 

AViking

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Just thought of a good story to illustrate CA traffic to someone from the midwest.

The first midwest blizzard I was caught in had me shitting bricks since I had no idea how to drive in one and really just wanted to stay put. I had to get home though so when I got on the freeway there were multiple plows making quick work of the snow and everyone was driving like 60 miles an hour despite the insanity (in my eyes) of the weather. I cruised along in the emergency lane at 15 miles an hour until I got the hang of it.

So in a blizzard in the midwest you have big rigs and family cars driving 60 miles an hour on the freeway. Compare that to the 10/405 interchange in LA during the rush hour commute and you'll be in for a good laugh. Often your speedometer does not register that you are moving.
 

jaedaliu

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I loved my time in California. Wish I never sold my house in Silverlake.

It's hard to move back once you've sold. It's not necessarily the cost of the housing, but it's the amount of house you get for the price when compared to elsewhere.

to the OP: It's going to cost a lot more than $900/month. You're going to love the price and quality of fresh produce. The women, too. So those costs are going to add up. Oh, and a Chicago GF and a SF GF means twice the number of gifts.

Maintaining 2 residences isn't cheap. Are you going to have 2 cars? How much stuff will you have to shuttle back and forth? It's just like the answer to the question of "Should I move to CA?"

"Yes, if you can afford it." Who cares if housing is expensive and taxes are high if you can afford it?
 

NutBucket

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Smog in LA is practically a non-issue these days. Hasn't been since the early-mid 90's IMHO.

But San Diego does have better air quality.
 

Newell Steamer

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I went to San Fran in August of 2012.

I was not impressed at all. It was fucking cold. Their public transport sucked major ass. And, it was downright expensive. Plus, most placed closed at 7pm.
 
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