Is Cathlocism Worse Than Islam?

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Puffnstuff

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Oh? You disagree with religious power unchecked? I guess you don't vote republican then.
Too bad the modern church doesn't have Paul around to keep them in check. If you don't know I'm referring to its when the early church leaders, Ananias and Sapphira, were paid a little visit at home by Paul under the direction of the Holy Ghost who slain them in their shoes, the church members had to cart them out and bury them, as an example of why you don't mess around with God's money and business.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Too bad the modern church doesn't have Paul around to keep them in check. If you don't know I'm referring to its when the early church leaders, Ananias and Sapphira, were paid a little visit at home by Paul under the direction of the Holy Ghost who slain them in their shoes, the church members had to cart them out and bury them, as an example of why you don't mess around with God's money and business.

I accept where you coming from. Fast forward a couple thousand years and paul would be diagnosed with mental health issues. Try explaining that one piece of a collaborative higher power told you to do it. Fuck that, conservatives all have this in common, they love their religion.
 

1prophet

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The correct answer is the more effectively the religion can be separated from state without either side infringing on the peoples rights the better the religion and state can be.



"The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Lol, a general lack of respect by Christians in this country for that very concept has always been apparent.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
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Islam's hero = Muhammad, Christians = Jesus. Go study what both stood for and get back to us with your book report by Monday morning.

And yet Christians and their imaginary peaceful Jesus has caused a lot more evil and racked up a much higher body count that Islam and their violent Muhammad. Granted, Christianity had a head start and was tens of millions of murders and hundreds of thousands of children molested before Islam even got going.

It's not what they stand for, it's what they DO and in that regard Christianity has been worse than Islam.
 

Younigue

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Jesus loves you, bro. The sooner you can accept that the sooner your rage will dissipate.
Oh I don't ever doubt that God loves me sis. My rage? People who use God to excuse ugliness and hate. The Cult45s use their God ONLY for ugliness and hate. Nah sis, my rage ain't going away.
 
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Younigue

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Christianity and organized religion aren't the same thing, however, too many people want to lump them into the same basket. Anything that convinces you that salvation can be found outside of the shed blood of Jesus, tells you that forgiveness can be found outside of confessing your sins to him alone or deviates from the bible is religion. Even Jesus banged heads with organized religion and their leaders while he walked the earth.
I don't believe I confused Christianity and organized religion.
 

Puffnstuff

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And yet Christians and their imaginary peaceful Jesus has caused a lot more evil and racked up a much higher body count that Islam and their violent Muhammad. Granted, Christianity had a head start and was tens of millions of murders and hundreds of thousands of children molested before Islam even got going.

It's not what they stand for, it's what they DO and in that regard Christianity has been worse than Islam.
The ten commandments tell us thou shalt not kill but religion does whatever is convenient for themselves twisting things into whatever they wish for it to be as long as it suits their particular purposes. Then there's the golden rule which most modern Christians seem to have forgotten yet my secular business college taught that principle in business classes in hopes of installing some sense of a moral compass in the students.
 

Atreus21

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And yet Christians and their imaginary peaceful Jesus has caused a lot more evil and racked up a much higher body count that Islam and their violent Muhammad. Granted, Christianity had a head start and was tens of millions of murders and hundreds of thousands of children molested before Islam even got going.

It's not what they stand for, it's what they DO and in that regard Christianity has been worse than Islam.

What idiocy. Source that ridiculous claim of Christianity murdering tens of millions.

Secular cultures murdered more in 100 years than Christianity did in 2000.
 
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Puffnstuff

Lifer
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Asks for proof, provides no proof. Well played.
I remember something called the crusades..... all in the name of God. Same thing happened at the Salem witch trials where accusers caused the deaths of countless families. Remember its Satan that accuses the saints before God night and day from his lofty perch in the heavens.
 

Atreus21

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Asks for proof, provides no proof. Well played.

The proof of my claim is manifest for anyone who spends literally 3 seconds googling. The Great Leap Forward - 45 million waxed. Find something Christianity did that comes anywhere close to that.
 

whm1974

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The proof of my claim is manifest for anyone who spends literally 3 seconds googling. The Great Leap Forward - 45 million waxed. Find something Christianity did that comes anywhere close to that.
The Dark and Middle ages?
 

mikeymikec

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If you didnt have the capacity for empathy,you wouldnt have it... case in point psychopaths, no matter how much such one individual would try to acquire empathy, it wouldnt happen.

I didn't say anything about capacity for empathy, but empathy is definitely learnt. Case in point being every child is a little self-centred shit until they're taught how to be civil. Yes, increasing physical child development resulting in increased brain capacity gives them the storage/processing to learn those things, but those things are still learnt.
 
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Atreus21

Lifer
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I remember something called the crusades..... all in the name of God. Same thing happened at the Salem witch trials where accusers caused the deaths of countless families. Remember its Satan that accuses the saints before God night and day from his lofty perch in the heavens.

People tend to overlook the wars that Islam embarked upon following Muhammad's death in 632, which didn't stop even at the fall of Constantinople in the 1400s, to which the crusades were a response. Why do Christians, and not Muslims, bear such scrutiny for the crusades?
 

Jaskalas

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Religion is poison, so I'll go with equally negative to humanity.

Equally? Maybe in ultimate potential but not for practical outcome.
One has been tamed, and has been present as human rights and Democracy rose to power in the West.
The other is quintessential theocracy that, to this day, presides over human conquest and slavery.

One is a toxic substance we've built a tolerance for, the other is.... sulfuric acid?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Equally? Maybe in ultimate potential but not for practical outcome.
One has been tamed, and has been present as human rights and Democracy rose to power in the West.
The other is quintessential theocracy that, to this day, presides over human conquest and slavery.

One is a toxic substance we've built a tolerance for, the other is.... sulfuric acid?

Poison is poison. One is still eating away at our democracy as well.

Religion is poison. Great tool to keep the plebes fighting though, suppressed, angry, hateful, agressive, condescending, the list goes on.
 

cytg111

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I didn't say anything about capacity for empathy, but empathy is definitely learnt. Case in point being every child is a little self-centred shit until they're taught how to be civil. Yes, increasing physical child development resulting in increased brain capacity gives them the storage/processing to learn those things, but those things are still learnt.

Sure, just like you have legs but you gotta learn how to use them.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/312349.php
Specifically it is here "subgenual anterior cingulate cortex" - whatever the hell that means... Aaand its build by yours truly, DNA .
Anyway, splitting hairs, I am out.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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People tend to overlook the wars that Islam embarked upon following Muhammad's death in 632, which didn't stop even at the fall of Constantinople in the 1400s, to which the crusades were a response. Why do Christians, and not Muslims, bear such scrutiny for the crusades?

That time period includes the Battle of Tours. Striking into Europe just outside Paris is a pretty big deal. The Crusades that followed are echoes of that pivotal moment in human history and religious conflict. Europe would not soon forget or forgive its near death experience.
 
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GagHalfrunt

Lifer
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I don't believe I confused Christianity and organized religion.

And Jesus didn't walk the Earth.
What idiocy. Source that ridiculous claim of Christianity murdering tens of millions.

Secular cultures murdered more in 100 years than Christianity did in 2000.

Pull your head out of your ass and your tongue out of Jesus's ass and read a history book once in a while.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

https://www.quora.com/Which-religio...of-deaths-of-infidels-over-its-entire-history

And the Christians are still racking up the corpses. In that brief period when you experience a successful cranial-rectal decoupling investigate the Vaticans role in the ongoing African genocides of the last 50 years or so.
 
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