Oh yes. Anyway I'm a Secular Humanist. There is no Higher Powers or gods for Humanity to beg for mercy nor were we damned in the first place. Humanity hasn't fallen from grace, but instead we are the Risen Hominids that choose not to exist at the mercy and whims of Nature, but instead choose to go forth and make our own destiny.
But he's not trying to teach you anything @whm1974 .You are not in control. Please let go of this illusion. Even modern science (the religion that is worshiped these days) is coming around to the conclusion that there isn't probably even a real self. That different modules in the brain operate more or less independently of each other, based on their function as per natural selection. Forget about science, if someone were to simply ask you - "who are you?" - you wouldn't have a real proper answer. Can you define yourself? Try it.
I said nothing about who is the Most Risen Hominid among us. And Modern Science is not a religion, that is not even close.I did warn you, did I not, that you would make this about who is the most Risen Hominid among us. Surely it is the hominid who prances about like a marionette, spouting Humanistic Risen Hominid blather. Out of the frying pan of traditional religious doctrine and into a Baked Alaska. Oh what foods these morsels be.
By the way, if your grammar's OK then you need to do some proof reading. Nobody was looking for perfection, just a semblance of coherence.
By the way, if your grammar's OK then you need to do some proof reading. Nobody was looking for perfection, just a semblance of coherence
Thanks for the warning.But whoa does it ever have the flavor of someone thinking they're laying some real deep stuff on ya though.
Careful under its weight @whm1974 . Noah wants to crush you under it and Moonie wants you to die under it.
I, myself, am a worthless piece of shit, a real nobody. Which of us, do you suppose would have the most difficulty adjusting to a factual representation of who we are, not in our fantastical self-representations, but is who we are in reality. Know that the reason I was so delighted when you put me on ignore, and so sad when you took that off, is because I have concluded that you are too fragile to handle real self confrontation, that you are in fact dancing merrily on very thin ice. You may be an angel in your own eyes but the assumptions you fantasize and project onto others are monstrous. I pity your condition, but I hate your contemptuous treatment of others and the hideousness of the boxes you put them in. If you want to feel better about yourself, stop stroking your ego about how self pleasured you are and show some love for the things you hate about yourself and project on others. Your self justifications for the brutalization of others are disgusting. Bye, hopefully not just for now.I'm in for most of that or maybe just some of it. I'm definitely a humanist. I do believe in a higher power just not a biblical one. Hell for all I know the higher power is within us. Yes, destiny is ours but there is "magic" and the yet to be explained. I'm open to some of the unexplained being unexplainable. I don't believe a higher power has human sensibilities therefore no I do not believe in original sin. I believe in good and bad and that the majority of the human race innately knows the difference. I live a good life and I am a decent person because I want to be. It's how I get to love myself.
I'm just incapable of reading an entire post of yours.I, myself, am a worthless piece of shit, a real nobody. Which of us, do you suppose would have the most difficulty adjusting to a factual representation of who we are, not in our fantastical self-representations, but is who we are in reality. Know that the reason I was so delighted when you put me on ignore, and so sad when you took that off, is because I have concluded that you are too fragile to handle real self confrontation, that you are in fact dancing merrily on very thin ice. You may be an angel in your own eyes but the assumptions you fantasize and project onto others are monstrous. I pity your condition, but I hate your contemptuous treatment of others and the hideousness of the boxes you put them in. If you want to feel better about yourself, stop stroking your ego about how self pleasured you are and show some love for the things you hate about yourself and project on others. Your self justifications for the brutalization of others are disgusting. Bye, hopefully not just for now.
PS: I agree with everything just quoted you said except for where you imagine you know what a good person really is, and for the reasons stated above. You are a good person with some very obvious blind spots.
PPS: I am not in the least interested in taking from you any psychological gains you have made is the terrible situation we all find ourselves in, some better, some worse. Had you any real faith you would know I could never take anything real. It's your contemptuous pigeon-holing of others and your blind defense of it that tells me you have more to do. But it's not easy to deal with people whom if you point out they have shit on their toe they fall apart in a snarling heap.
Really? And why do you suppose you just had to twice announce yourself to be a believer in the derivitive Risen Hominid crap, you absorbed as a doting follower of humanism, like any Christian soldier would, proudly marching on to victory. You aren't too good at reading context are you.I said nothing about who is the Most Risen Hominid among us. And Modern Science is not a religion, that is not even close.
And just who did I say is most Risen Hominid? And how do I treat Humanism as a Religion?Really? And why do you suppose you just had to twice announce yourself to be a believer in the derivitive Risen Hominid crap, you absorbed as a doting follower of humanism, like any Christian soldier would, proudly marching on to victory. You aren't too good at reading context are you.
I find, in fact, your rebuttals to pack such punch that I think an equivalency on my part would make a worth reply. "You did too say something about who is the most risen among us and you did treat Humanism as a religion. You turned it into one by being a marionette. So Nah nah nah. Ya gotta keep your guard up, boy, or Foghorn Leghorn is gonna grab ya by the feets and slap ya against the wall,
And of course you missed see the connection between being incapable of reading much of anything seriously and guessing you'll never know really shouldn't have been presented as a guess.I'm just incapable of reading an entire post of yours.
If my approach to or understanding of life is wrong I don't want to be right. I've told you this before. The very idea of looking at life in the way that you do depresses me. As you know I reject depression just as I reject your asinine gobbledy-guk. You're in a hole and pulling the dirt down in on yourself. It's a waste of what might be a beautiful mind but I guess we'll never know.
I have Clinical Depression and sure as hell glad I don't think like moonie does. Talk about having a shitty outlook at life. Living in despair is no way to live.I'm just incapable of reading an entire post of yours.
If my approach to or understanding of life is wrong I don't want to be right. I've told you this before. The very idea of looking at life in the way that you do depresses me. As you know I reject depression just as I reject your asinine gobbledy-guk. You're in a hole and pulling the dirt down in on yourself. It's a waste of what might be a beautiful mind but I guess we'll never know.
He asks after having that just explained to him. Trust me or don't. I have decided you too emotionally committed to seeing how you see to open yourself to facts I regard as self evident. I know how that must sting. Anybody can say it and I just did. I'm happy, hope you are. I won't give up on you but this isn't worth my time.And just who did I say is most Risen Hominid? And how do I treat Humanism as a Religion?
There no such thing as self evident facts. And by the way Humans are a species of Hominids.He asks after having that just explained to him. Trust me or don't. I have decided you too emotionally committed to seeing how you see to open yourself to facts I regard as self evident. I know how that must sting. Anybody can say it and I just did. I'm happy, hope you are. I won't give up on you but this isn't worth my time.
Just try to imagine talking about a Risen Hominid to your aunt Martha, but not when she's holding knitting needles. Are you on drugs?
Jesus, I knew there must be some reason I like you. Have you ever seen The Neverending Story? It's for kids but has a rather profound theme. I particularly have in mind the scene with the Rock Crusher or something like that who used to have such big strong hands. I used to have such big strong hands too. But the nothing took everything away. I couldn't hold on. The nothing left me with infinite despair, black hopelessness complete. Then a wind came along and tossed me into the Nothing too and everything that could be taken was taken, including my despair. I was left only with what can never be taken, the joy of being. I hope you find relief. There is both a chemical and a psychological component to depression and I am not wise enough to know which is what. Some suffering is definitely the result of unconscious assumptions we make that form a prison, and then there is the chemical thingi. If or how much they may be tied together, or whether solving one solves the other I do not know. I have never taken medicine and the horrible attitude you imagine I have are just the realities I had to overcome to get free. I defeated the Nothing by surrendering to it. Down is up. Hope you do better.I have Clinical Depression and sure as hell glad I don't think like moonie does. Talk about having a shitty outlook at life. Living in despair is no way to live.
Yes, well, We hold them to be self evident, that all present day Hominids are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator, evolution of deity, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, so you see that among our enlightenment Forefathers, you are quite wrong. I see no way to explain why 1+1=2 other than that it is self evident by definition.There no such thing as self evident facts. And by the way Humans are a species of Hominids.
Agreed. But even if he agreed with your word choice he has an explanation of why that's the only way to do things right.I have Clinical Depression and sure as hell glad I don't think like moonie does. Talk about having a shitty outlook at life. Living in despair is no way to live.
Well I don't follow you but you do pop up in places where I want to be and say things I feel compelled to comment on but your ego can tell you what it likes. You sound like a victim. That's a sad story bud.And of course you missed see the connection between being incapable of reading much of anything seriously and guessing you'll never know really shouldn't have been presented as a guess.
Pretended indifference is always so cute especially when you follow me around like a wolf stalking a kill.
I'm not trying to understand him. I do occasionally partake in dissecting his rantings or warning people about his blathering.Younigue and whm1974, to understand moonbeam I’d suggest looking into Zen or Buddhism in general. What is happening is that the conversation doesn’t have a common baseline, leading to misunderstanding.
Both of you are trying to understand moonbeams words through the prism of the modern American(and now global) mindset of “I am special. I am good.” This of course will lead nowhere because he is talking something entirely different and much deeper. So I’d suggest looking into Zen
It is our shared misfortune that we live in probably the most shallow and superficial society that has ever existed in eons of years on earth. Everyone’s baseline is that.
whm1974, I hope your depression gets better.
His explanation is what I strongly disagree with.Agreed. But even if he agreed with your word choice he has an explanation of why that's the only way to do things right.
And his ranting and blathering doesn't even make any sense.I'm not trying to understand him. I do occasionally partake in dissecting his rantings or warning people about his blathering.
After going after whm you have errors in two of your posts that could make someone question your english abilities. Care to retract or apologize for being an ass? <--- I'm not even being serious. You're absolutely not willing neither do you possess the ability. You're truly lost but at least you think you're found. Too bad it only gives you permission to be a shitty person.He asks after having that just explained to him. Trust me or don't. I have decided you too emotionally committed to seeing how you see to open yourself to facts I regard as self evident. I know how that must sting. Anybody can say it and I just did. I'm happy, hope you are. I won't give up on you but this isn't worth my time.
Just try to imagine talking about a Risen Hominid to your aunt Martha, but not when she's holding knitting needles. Are you on drugs?
My biggest issue with Moonie is he thinks knowing nothing and claiming to be nothing is all he ever has to know. The love of the learning is a gift. To feel that it's done would be giving up on living. IIRC he'll agree that he has. That makes me sad for him.His explanation is what I strongly disagree with.
Yet somehow it does to him. Seriously whm, he gets off on the words he throws together and calls sense. He likes the feeling of freewheeling and flying within himself enough to ignore that it's become a drug.And his ranting and blathering doesn't even make any sense.