Is Cathlocism Worse Than Islam?

[Starbuck1975]

Unsurprising response considering you've set the bar pretty low for pedophile priests, that you have to reach at ISIS to make a comparison, LOL indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if you started raving about pizzagate and Hillary and that these Christian pedophiles are somehow the doing of Democrats. Still no condemnation from you, just whataboutism. Not surprised at all.

I will explain it again because you are slow. No one is defending pedophile priests. But this thread does ask the question if Catholism is worst than Islam. Posing such a question assumes a comparison, which requires criteria. In making that comparison, some have used history as a gauge. Others are pointing to more recent events. ISIS is a reasonable data point, as are the Crusades, the Ottoman Empire, the divine right monarchies of Europe, Vlad the Impaler, the Spanish Inquisition, 9/11 and yes pedophile priests as well.

I personally think its a pointless comparison, as all of the Abrahamic religions have brought out both the best and worst in humanity at various times in history.

Pizzagate was ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as your juvenile rantings.

 

[Starbuck1975]

And just why is it that I need to compare and contrast between two completely different situations that have nothing to do with one another? Are you actually trying to play the game that Islam is a "worse" religion than Christianity? If that's the case, more fool you for doing so.

Because the thread title posed a question that inherently requires a comparison, a comparison I’ve already stated is pointless.

 

[Paratus]

What idiocy. Source that ridiculous claim of Christianity murdering tens of millions.

Secular cultures murdered more in 100 years than Christianity did in 2000.

Well you sort of have a point. Dictators and authoritarians like Hitler, Stalin and Mao have certainly killed 10’s of millions.

However since you evangelicals and the like seem to prefer authoritarian leaders as long as they meet your one preferred issue I’m not sure your protests against the depravities of religion hold much weight.

 

[greatnoob]

I will explain it again because you are slow. No one is defending pedophile priests. But this thread does ask the question if Catholism is worst than Islam. Posing such a question assumes a comparison, which requires criteria. In making that comparison, some have used history as a gauge. Others are pointing to more recent events. ISIS is a reasonable data point, as are the Crusades, the Ottoman Empire, the divine right monarchies of Europe, Vlad the Impaler, the Spanish Inquisition, 9/11 and yes pedophile priests as well.

I personally think its a pointless comparison, as all of the Abrahamic religions have brought out both the best and worst in humanity at various times in history.

Pizzagate was ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as your juvenile rantings.

Read the original post again, because you clearly haven't. I see no comparison to Islam or even a mention of it but if you want to go with the thread title only and completely miss the entire point that OP was making (about pedophile priests, if you bothered to read it), then by all means go ahead. Just realise that would make you the slow one for missing the point 3 times in a row.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I entered into this thread with a Monty Python reference, which tells you everything you need to know about my feelings towards religion. The religious word play is fun, but I was pointing out the self-righteous faux politically tinged outrage and pathetic excuse for comparative analysis by the usual water boys.

I was forgiving you for throwing in with them when you are smart enough to know I wasn’t defending Christianity.

I'm not sure exactly who you're referring to, but it makes no difference anyways. I will almost always point to self awareness for anyone I engage with. Christians are a typical target as they seem unable to accept what is. Muslims seem much more self-aware. Christians and Muslims ideology have much in common.

no forgiveness was required. You expressed an odd comparison that diverted to Hollywood, utter nonsense and very much not related to the topic at hand, I replied to it, and here we are.

Forgiveness also implies I've done something against some moral code. I don't see that anywhere, by the measure of pretty much anyone's moral code.

 

[frowertr]

What the hell is “Cathlocism”? It’s difficult to want to even debate in this ridiculous thread if you can’t even spell catholicism correctly.

I know streaming is the rage these days with the millenials but you shouldn’t rely on a Netflix miniseries as the basis for any theological guidance.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'm not sure exactly who you're referring to, but it makes no difference anyways.

It doesn’t matter because I have little use for their opinions.

Christians are a typical target as they seem unable to accept what is.

Depends, there are many sects of Christians, some more self-aware than others.

Muslims seem much more self-aware. Christians and Muslims ideology have much in common.

I’ve spent time in the Muslim world so I can’t agree that they are more self aware. They are also not al terrorists as Islamaphobes would lead you to believe.

As I said, I entered this thread with a Monty Python reference, a comedy troupe known for its brutal self awareness relative to Christianity. Take South Park for example. Comedy Central will show the episodes that depict Jesus as an action hero, but no longer air the one that depicts Mohammed, and not even disrespectfully. If we’re talking self awareness, there is a double standard.

no forgiveness was required. You expressed an odd comparison that diverted to Hollywood, utter nonsense and very much not related to the topic at hand, I replied to it, and here we are.

But that comment wasn’t directed at you. It was apparent to me that this thread was about self-awareness, so I evoked the one cult of people who are even less self-aware than Christians, and also exhibit a predatory sexual problem amongst people in positions if power . You may call it concern trolling. I call it the BS flag.

Forgiveness also implies I've done something against some moral code. I don't see that anywhere, by the measure of pretty much anyone's moral code.

It was play on words. You made a what would Jesus do reference, so I did what Jesus would do...forgive you.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Read the original post again, because you clearly haven't. I see no comparison to Islam or even a mention of it but if you want to go with the thread title only and completely miss the entire point that OP was making (about pedophile priests, if you bothered to read it), then by all means go ahead. Just realise that would make you the slow one for missing the point 3 times in a row.

The OP propositioned a question as his thread title and then asserted priest pedophilia as evidence. Keep dancing.

 

[mikeymikec]

What the hell is “Cathlocism”? It’s difficult to want to even debate in this ridiculous thread if you can’t even spell catholicism correctly.

Yeah! Because proper spelling lies right at the heart of a theological and sociological discussion! How can anyone claim to be a moral person when they can't even spell correctly.

Real-life example of your argument in action:

 

[ch33zw1z]

It doesn’t matter because I have little use for their opinions.

Depends, there are many sects of Christians, some more self-aware than others.

I’ve spent time in the Muslim world so I can’t agree that they are more self aware. They are also not al terrorists as Islamaphobes would lead you to believe.

As I said, I entered this thread with a Monty Python reference, a comedy troupe known for its brutal self awareness relative to Christianity. Take South Park for example. Comedy Central will show the episodes that depict Jesus as an action hero, but no longer air the one that depicts Mohammed, and not even disrespectfully. If we’re talking self awareness, there is a double standard.

But that comment wasn’t directed at you. It was apparent to me that this thread was about self-awareness, so I evoked the one cult of people who are even less self-aware than Christians, and also exhibit a predatory sexual problem amongst people in positions if power . You may call it concern trolling. I call it the BS flag.

It was play on words. You made a what would Jesus do reference, so I did what Jesus would do...forgive you.

Well, we agree on much, I dont see the posters in here less self aware than Christians overall though, so we can disagree on that point.

Jesus would need to show me where in his moral code I wronged him, still, I'm more or less constantly self evaluating, sometimes it feels borderline unhealthy as it creates anxiety internally, so I can see why people would choose not to. Except, fuck our feels, you know.

The % of religious who want to harm others solely based on their ideology is small overall. That's still not the topic, the ongoing holy war became political before our time on this planet, and hasn't stopped. Its one of the reasons I deem religion like Islam and Christianity poison to our existence, it's used to control people in many ways. So I deem them equally as toxic.

WRT to priests, the Catholic Church has made their bed, and in a world where a moral framework still matters, they will cease to exist eventually, diverting to Hollywood is a pretty lame thing to do.

Yea, I liked the monty python post, good stuff.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Well, we agree on much, I dont see the posters in here less self aware than Christians overall though, so we can disagree on that point.

Jesus would need to show me where in his moral code I wronged him, still, I'm more or less constantly self evaluating, sometimes it feels borderline unhealthy as it creates anxiety internally, so I can see why people would choose not to. Except, fuck our feels, you know.

The % of religious who want to harm others solely based on their ideology is small overall. That's still not the topic, the ongoing holy war became political before our time on this planet, and hasn't stopped. Its one of the reasons I deem religion like Islam and Christianity poison to our existence, it's used to control people in many ways. So I deem them equally as toxic.

WRT to priests, the Catholic Church has made their bed, and in a world where a moral framework still matters, they will cease to exist eventually, diverting to Hollywood is a pretty lame thing to do.

Yea, I liked the monty python post, good stuff.

I have no quarrel with you good sir knight.

 

[greatnoob]

The OP propositioned a question as his thread title and then asserted priest pedophilia as evidence. Keep dancing.

Lol, doubling down because you have nothing left than your retard-level (seriously, read your posts) whataboutism to contribute to this thread.
If you think Kevin Spacey and ISIS are good comparison points, then you're the one dancing. You reek of desperation when you post bizarre examples like those, so maybe instead of doubling down this time how about you stop your deflection attempts and address the real problem: pedophile Catholic priests raping children. This is the 3rd time I've told you to get on topic off from your unhinged and laughable comparisons to terrorists from third-world shitholes.

 

[Starbuck1975]

derpy derpy derp...This is the 3rd time I've told you to get on topic off from your unhinged and laughable comparisons to terrorists from third-world shitholes.

Then why mention Islam in the thread title if not to invite a comparison? If the OP wanted to have a discussion around pedophile priests, there would be no need to mention Islam at all.

You’ve triggered yourself into a corner. Good luck!

 

[df4xv8]

Have you ever been to or lived in a muslim country? There's a reason why they all suck.

 

[soundforbjt]

Have you ever been to or lived in a muslim country? There's a reason why they all suck.

Yes, I have, have you? And it didn't suck.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I've learned in my humble travels that intolerance by any side yields the same sad end result no matter what label you try to hide behind.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Have you ever been to or lived in a muslim country? There's a reason why they all suck.

Hello sock.

 

[greatnoob]

Then why mention Islam in the thread title if not to invite a comparison? If the OP wanted to have a discussion around pedophile priests, there would be no need to mention Islam at all.

You’ve triggered yourself into a corner. Good luck!

This is the 4th time I’m repeating myself: you have gone off on a completely different tangent with extreme/weird whataboutisms with terrorists and Hollywood actors (who are they representing again? Islam?) in contrast to Catholic PRIESTS - you know, a representative of the faith. Can you highlight how they’re equivalent? Your baseline is so low that it seems like you shitted out whatever first came to mind to desperately deflect away from the original topic at hand - which I’ll add you had barely discussed until I called it out.

 

[Starbuck1975]

This is the 4th time I’m repeating myself:

You are having to repeat yourself because you triggered yourself into a corner. I explained this several times.

 

[greatnoob]

You are having to repeat yourself because you triggered yourself into a corner. I explained this several times.

Sounds like you actually, because you admitted to not reading anything apart from the title lol. You didn't answer my question. How are ISIS and Kevin Spacey (who aren't authoritative representatives of Islam) a good comparison point to OP's focus, Catholic priests (who in fact are authoritative representatives of Christianity)? I'm asking this to make it obvious to you how you aren't really concerned about the topic at hand. You're just here to deflect the discussion away from the original focus (your stupid equivalences are evidence of that).

 

[Starbuck1975]

Sounds like you actually, because you admitted to not reading anything apart from the title lol. You didn't answer my question. How are ISIS and Kevin Spacey (who aren't authoritative representatives of Islam) a good comparison point to OP's focus, Catholic priests (who in fact are authoritative representatives of Christianity)? I'm asking this to make it obvious to you how you aren't really concerned about the topic at hand. You're just here to deflect the discussion away from the original focus (your stupid equivalences are evidence of that).

I already answered the question, but will answer it again so you can get out of the corner

The OP posed a question in his thread title and then went on a rant about Catholic priests as a data point. The OP never set parameters for the comparison, so you don’t get to assert “authoritative representative” to limit the discussion to whatever point you think you are making.

I already acknowledged that my Kevin Spacey comment was meant to prove a point...that those so concerned over the pervasive sexual abuse in the Catholic church don’t seem to harbor the same outrage over comperable abuses of power. Hollywood shares a similar dogmatic ignorance to religion. It seems to me that some of this outrage is more political than moral.

As for ISIS, it was literally formed to represent a pure Islamic caliphate. The members of ISIS sought to form a sovereign and pure Islamic nation, so it is absolutely in play, as are the atrocities committed by Christians towards Muslims, which is why I previously cited the Balkans.

 

[Incorruptible]

This has to be a troll post, not sure how anyone could be the stupid to post such BS. Catholicism definitely has problems but doesn't even come close to Islam.

What is the penalty for apostasy in both religions?
What is the penalty for being gay in both religions?
How old was the wife of Muhammad?

 

[FelixDeCat]

This has to be a troll post, not sure how anyone could be the stupid to post such BS. Catholicism definitely has problems but doesn't even come close to Islam.

What is the penalty for apostasy in both religions?
What is the penalty for being gay in both religions?
How old was the wife of Muhammad?

The OP is a troll. He points to one group while ignoring the fact that teachers have the largest percentage of child molesters on the planet. Colleges and school districts were and are complicit in many cases. Many of them also happen to be atheists!

You cant go one single day - not one - without reading about some teacher, somewhere caught molesting or outright copulating with children.....

...but please, do tell us whats wrong with the Catholic church that has already been recognized and addressed for at least two decades now, if not more.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This has to be a troll post, not sure how anyone could be the stupid to post such BS. Catholicism definitely has problems but doesn't even come close to Islam.

What is the penalty for apostasy in both religions?
What is the penalty for being gay in both religions?
How old was the wife of Muhammad?

lol, you're so predictable.

 

[greatnoob]

I already answered the question, but will answer it again so you can get out of the corner

The OP posed a question in his thread title and then went on a rant about Catholic priests as a data point. The OP never set parameters for the comparison, so you don’t get to assert “authoritative representative” to limit the discussion to whatever point you think you are making.

I already acknowledged that my Kevin Spacey comment was meant to prove a point...that those so concerned over the pervasive sexual abuse in the Catholic church don’t seem to harbor the same outrage over comperable abuses of power. Hollywood shares a similar dogmatic ignorance to religion. It seems to me that some of this outrage is more political than moral.

As for ISIS, it was literally formed to represent a pure Islamic caliphate. The members of ISIS sought to form a sovereign and pure Islamic nation, so it is absolutely in play, as are the atrocities committed by Christians towards Muslims, which is why I previously cited the Balkans.

You didn’t answer my question at all but I’m not surprised in the least with your track record of selective reading Now you’re just throwing shit hoping it sticks.

Why did you intentionally miss the part (You keep doing this) where I explained to you ISIS - a fringe terrorist group which Muslims do not consider as their authoritative representative - are not comparable to priests - which Christians DO consider their authoritative representative? The crap you wrote here is based on the laughable assumption that Muslims have placed ISIS on equal footing as to how Catholics have placed their priests. That’s a bizarre thing to think and I’m sure you’re smart enough to know better than that. In case you haven’t understood: ISIS is condemned by Muslims because they are an extremist terrorist group, priests are on the other hand are looked at as holy role models. You have compared a terrorist organisation to priests and are stupid enough to think that is a valid comparison in the context of what’s being argued here. It isn’t.

The fact you’ve even admitted that making stupid equivalancies like these are fine to you because you haven’t been told otherwise, proves my point: you are only here to deflect away from the topic at hand even if it means making nonsensical comparisons with equally stupid assumptions.

Tell me how this comparison works in your mind? Should we be lowering the bar this much and comparing priests to fringe terrorist groups? Or is it your shitty attempt at deflection like your Spacey comment you’ve now backtracked on?

This time try not to dodge what I’ve said to you.