Is circumcision moral?

[Murloc]

well it's still a sensitive piece of your dick.

 

[ControlD]

well it's still a sensitive piece of your dick.

Understood (I suppose). Yet I would never know, nor do I miss it because I have no memory of it.

It's like being born blind. You never know any other way.

I guess some can take solace in knowing they won't need the procedure done later in life. I have family that work in a couple different hospitals. On occasion men have to be circumcised for various medical reasons and I believe the older you are the worse it is.

 

[pcgeek11]

Snip a bit of foreskin = cutting it off?

Interesting perspective.

You obviously haven't read too much about it. Amputations have and do happen during the process...

http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/gluckman/

http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/walfisch/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24928459

 

[Murloc]

How do you even fap without the foreskin?

 

[_Rick_]

I believe the older you are the worse it is.

I would say older people are much less likely to develop fatal or dramatic complications from circumcision than an infant. Simply because infant bodies are in general less resistant to the environment, and more fragile.
Also, the rate of medically required circumcisions is probably lower than the number of medically indicated appendectomies. So there's no argument for preventative circumcision from a medical point of view.

As for how you fap: There better be a lot of lubrication, and even then there's a lot of chafing. The reduced sensitivity makes it less enjoyable as well.

 

[ControlD]

As for how you fap: There better be a lot of lubrication, and even then there's a lot of chafing. The reduced sensitivity makes it less enjoyable as well.

You have no way of knowing this. You are simply guessing that is the case.

As to your other issues, in the words of a prophet "You're holding it wrong".

 

[lamedude]

FWIW OP restoring seems to be pretty effective.

 

[sm625]

Of course it is immoral, but it is also deeply rooted in religious dogma. It is a ritual to let the powers that be know that we are still under their control. It is one of the many rituals that society performs without question, no matter how insane the ritual would certainly appear from the perspective of an impartial outside observer. The mass consumption of millions of tons of toxic fluoride compounds is definitely another. Another example is the mass consumption of refined sugar products, despite the utterly massive toll it is taking on our health.

People just accept all of this, and much much more, without question, as if programmed to do so. It is highly irrational behavior to say the least. And by the way, you are of course a frickin looney kook if you do question any of this.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I don't think that's the first time "cutting it off" has come up in this thread. We are simply talking about circumcision and not removal of the entire organ right? If it is the later then I can see people being upset!

I honestly never knew there was this group of men out there lamenting their lost foreskins. Still, how do you miss something you never had any memory of?

<shrug> I have no idea. <shrug>

 

[Victorian Gray]

You obviously haven't read too much about it. Amputations have and do happen during the process...

http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/gluckman/

http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/walfisch/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24928459

So? Accidents happen in every type of medical procedure. When you can find statistics that show that this (men getting their dicks chopped off) is a major issue you get back to us. The fact that bad stuff happen occasionally? Sorry, that's life.

 

[pcgeek11]

So? Accidents happen in every type of medical procedure. When you can find statistics that show that this (men getting their dicks chopped off) is a major issue you get back to us. The fact that bad stuff happen occasionally? Sorry, that's life.

It only takes once for it to be a Major Issue if it is your dick.

There is a chance they will mutilate you if they remove the foreskin.

There is zero chance if they do not remove the foreskin.

Hmmm.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It only takes once for it to be a Major Issue if it is your dick.

There is a chance they will mutilate you if they remove the foreskin.

There is zero chance if they do not remove the foreskin.

Hmmm.

Better hope that you never have to have an operation of any kind because, one slip of the scalpel...

On the other hand, if you never let a doctor operate on you you'll be just fine.

 

[pcgeek11]

Better hope that you never have to have an operation of any kind because, one slip of the scalpel...

On the other hand, if you never let a doctor operate on you you'll be just fine.

Fvck. You are slow aren't you? There is a huge difference between Elective Surgery and a life saving required surgery.

 

[alzan]

It only takes once for it to be a Major Issue if it is your dick.

There is a chance they will mutilate you if they remove the foreskin.

There is zero chance if they do not remove the foreskin.

Hmmm.

There's a really good chance they won't mutilate the penis by removing the foreskin. It's the parent(s) decision to make.

We always hear about the few instances of mutilation out of the millions of circumcisions performed. Discussions of exceedingly rare mistakes that may happen during any elective or non-elective surgeries usually end up this way.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Fvck. You are slow aren't you? There is a huge difference between Elective Surgery and a life saving required surgery.

I mentioned *any* surgery because all it takes is one slip...

 

[moonbogg]

There's a really good chance they won't mutilate the penis by removing the foreskin. It's the parent(s) decision to make.

We always hear about the few instances of mutilation out of the millions of circumcisions performed. Discussions of exceedingly rare mistakes that may happen during any elective or non-elective surgeries usually end up this way.

If you take a sharp instrument, slice around a penis, rip off the foreskin and throw it in the god damn trash can, you just mutilated another person's penis, without their permission and well before they are even capable of weighing the pros and cons themselves. By the time they are able to do so, its too late and the penis has been mutilated.
You are making the decision, by yourself, for someone else, that a functioning, healthy part of their body belongs in the trash can. "F" anyone who feels they have the authority to do this.

 

[moonbogg]

http://www.foregen.org/

Enough people are pissed off about having their penis ripped apart that there is a market for foreskin regenerative therapy. These guys will grow you a new foreskin. I noticed another link a few posts up, but this is a place I just heard about on the radio this morning.

 

[Murloc]

There's a really good chance they won't mutilate the penis by removing the foreskin.

the foreskin is a functional piece of the body so if you remove it, it's a mutilation by definition.

 

[ControlD]

http://www.foregen.org/

Enough people are pissed off about having their penis ripped apart that there is a market for foreskin regenerative therapy. These guys will grow you a new foreskin. I noticed another link a few posts up, but this is a place I just heard about on the radio this morning.

They probably got their business idea from reading this thread.

 

[alzan]

If you take a sharp instrument, slice around a penis, rip off the foreskin and throw it in the god damn trash can, you just mutilated another person's penis, without their permission and well before they are even capable of weighing the pros and cons themselves. By the time they are able to do so, its too late and the penis has been mutilated.
You are making the decision, by yourself, for someone else, that a functioning, healthy part of their body belongs in the trash can. "F" anyone who feels they have the authority to do this.

Not that it's a good analogy but I'm currently undergoing chemotherapy for lung cancer; chemotherapy which due to it's nature is destroying some perfectly healthy cells as well as cancer cells, so I guess I'm mutilating my own body. It's a decision I made for myself. I'll miss the healthy cells I'm destroying but if I had a child who had a similar diagnosis I'd certainly steer them towards the chemo.

Since I couldn't discuss the circumcision with my parents I deferred to theirs and the doctors wisdom; they actually made quite a few good health decisions for me both before and after emergence from the womb, inducing labour when they noticed the RH- factor was destroying my blood, transfusing new blood, incubating me, etc. I don't feel that my rights to have a say in the circumcision were abrogated.

 

[Murloc]

cosmetic surgery is quite different from medically necessary procedures.

 

[ViviTheMage]

If I recall, there was a guy on AT that got circumcised at 20? He said he felt like he lost 40-60% of feeling when having sex afterwards.

 

[moonbogg]

Not that it's a good analogy but I'm currently undergoing chemotherapy for lung cancer;

It makes me sick to hear this. I didn't know and I am pulling for you to recover man. I don't care about anything else right now. I'm thinking of you and your well being. I want you healthy. Alzan really, I'm so sorry. But hopefully there is nothing to be sorry about, because there is a chance you can destroy this thing and beat it.

 

[alzan]

It makes me sick to hear this. I didn't know and I am pulling for you to recover man. I don't care about anything else right now. I'm thinking of you and your well being. I want you healthy. Alzan really, I'm so sorry. But hopefully there is nothing to be sorry about, because there is a chance you can destroy this thing and beat it.

Thanks for that; if I can ever get my body acclimated to the side effects of the chemo I'll be doing lots better.

It is a relatively slow growing type of cancer, I was just unlucky enough to have it metastasize to my lungs.

I fully intend to fight the good fight for as long as I can; I even marked a calendar with the lifespan my oncologist gave me for average between diagnosis and death under treatment so that I could have a "neener, neener, neener" moment when I've surpassed it.

I'm still glad I was circ'd though, my past girlfriends and current wife were and are much appreciative.

 

[alzan]

cosmetic surgery is quite different from medically necessary procedures.

It can be successfully argued that circumcision has health benefits and is not just "cosmetic surgery".