is declawing a cat cruel?

Skiddex

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so i was looking on google trying to figure out how much it might cost to declaw my cat and came across tons of sites about how cruel it is. i never knew that there were people so passionate about this kind of thing...thought it was widely accepted for domestic cats.

your thoughts?
 

shocksyde

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I sure hope the people that voted "yes" didn't get their baby boys circumsized.
 

amdhunter

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Only if I am around. I love to torture (play rough) with de-clawed cats. :heart:

I only think its cruel if you do it later on in life. If it is done when they are a kitten, I don't think it's so bad.
 

jhayx7

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I could see it being bad if your cat accidently got outside because it would have no way of defending itself.

OTOH, it is pretty funny to watch the little bastard get confused because his claws don't work anymore.
 

QueBert

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Cats love to scratch, I don't exactly think people who do it are intentially trying to be cruel, most of them are just too lazy to try to train the cats not to scratch sh!t like furniture. A scratching post will save your stuff you don't want shreaded and the cat stays happy, everyone wins.
 

huberm

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I didn't used to think it was, until the vet told me how it is done. They actually have to remove a their knuckles to do it. Sounds cruel to me, so I refrained from getting mine declawed.

Instead, I took the vet's advice and bought a little catnip scratcher from Wal-Mart. its basically corrugated cardboard with catnip in it. The cat scratches it to sharpen her claws quite a bit, instead of scratching up furniture (the reason cats scratch the furniture is to keep their claws sharp btw).
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: shocksyde
I sure hope the people that voted "yes" didn't get their baby boys circumsized.

what's one have to do with the other? I mean a declawed cat that gets out of the house will get royally owned in a cat fight. Foreskin doesn't serve any useful purpose. Weird argument. I don't think the op was refering to the actual declawing in a pain sense, but more of a cruel as what it does to the cat long term.
 

torpid

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It is debatable whether it is cruel. It is an unnecessary surgery that involves the equivalent of cutting off fingers at the first knuckle. There is a recovery period that is not pleasant for the cat most likely. There are potential complications.

In that regard, I'd say it's slightly cruel since it is an unnecessary surgery for the convenience of the owner. It'd be like forcing your cat to get liposuction or lasik surgery.

I have one cat with claws and one cat without. Both arrived that way from the humane society. There is a very noticeable difference between the two.

I don't know whether I buy into the long term psychological effects BS, but my cat with claws is much more adept at playing with all cat toys and doing general cat activities. My other cat tends to stay low to the ground and rarely tries to climb up cat trees, which are much more difficult for her to climb since she can't dig in with the front claws and pull herself up like the other cat.

She can't do the full range of cat playing things, such as swiping a toy with a tail and thereby hooking it. Her method is kind of sad, she just stomps it and tries to pull it toward her, and gives up. When I had carpet, it was really hard to find a toy that interested her for long. With hardwood floors it is better since the toys naturally fly all over the place when batted.

She also tends to be victimized by the cat with claws because she can't really defend herself that well with just rear claws.

Also, when I pick her up, she digs her rear claws into my chest and in general gets very stressed out when she doesn't have her rear feet planted because she can't get stabilized on anything with just her front paws.

So, cruel? I don't know... but it has a negative impact on the cat, or at least my cat. And it is rare that a cat cannot adapt to human rules about what to claw and not claw. Scratching posts and catnip pretty much take care of all of it.

I wouldn't get the cat declawed.
 

Skiddex

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I'll admit it, one of the reasons im considering it is because she kneads my neck and arms out of affection. they look like edward scissor hands had his way with them...difficult to explain at work
 

cubby1223

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Cats don't care if they're declawed. After the first month, they don't remember the claws anymore, and go on with happy lives. It's people who only look at half the picture who think it's unbelievably cruel.

Currently there are 4 cats here, 3 are declawed, and there is absolutely no difference in playfulness between those who are declawed, and the one that isn't. In fact, one of the declawed cats is by far the most playful with cat toys.
 

MBony

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We just got rid of our cat of 9 years to a good home because we just couldn't take the cat tearing up our house any longer. It was a tough decision, but it would have been more inhumane to declaw the cat then to find it a new home, which is what we did. It was tough, but the right decision.

If humans were cats and were declawed, you would have your fingers clipped down to the first knuckle. You are taking part of the cats paw when you declaw, the part that extracts the claw when the cat needs it.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Skiddex
I'll admit it, one of the reasons im considering it is because she kneads my neck and arms out of affection. they look like edward scissor hands had his way with them...difficult to explain at work

My cat does that too. Trim the claws and it doesn't hurt or pierce the skin. I do it when my cat is really relaxed. Just don't cut to the quick...
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Skiddex
I'll admit it, one of the reasons im considering it is because she kneads my neck and arms out of affection. they look like edward scissor hands had his way with them...difficult to explain at work

Just be seen in the company of a large man who wears lots of leather and the questions will stop all on their own....
 

dullard

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Option 1) Cat destroys yourself, your guests, your household items and is put to sleep.
Option 2) Declaw the front paws and the cat is in pain for a couple of weeks.
Option 3) Usually, there is no viable option 3.

Both are cruel, but Option 2 is far better for the cat.

There is almost NEVER a reason to declaw the back claws.
 

sixone

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There is an alternative, where they cut the tendons so the cat can't extend its claws. It's much less traumatic for the cat; I hope you'll check it out.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: dullard
Option 1) Cat destroys yourself, your guests, your household items and is put to sleep.
Option 2) Declaw the front paws and the cat is in pain for a couple of weeks.
Option 3) Usually, there is no viable option 3.

Both are cruel, but Option 2 is far better for the cat.

There is almost NEVER a reason to declaw the back claws.

Option 1 is moronic. If you can't teach your cat to stop clawing those things, either you are an idiot or you have an incredibly stupid cat.
 

foghorn67

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We used to clip our cats nails with a toe nail clipper. Just be careful not too cut to high. Painless and effective for most cats.
 

mb

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I don't think it's cruel if you do it to a cat very early on.
 

Zolty

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How is the cat supposed to attack people with his claws, if he doesn't take them to anything expensive he gets to keep them.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Cats are not animated stuffed toys. If you're to dumb/lazy to train your pets not behave poorly then, don't have pets.
 
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