Is DSLR dying slowly?

Rottie

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You know smartphone took over DSLR world by storm so do you think DSLR will die slowly?
 

Anubis

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smartphones have not taken over DSLR world, it took over point and shoot world, DSLRs will always have a place because they can simply do things that are impossible with a smartphone

if anythings gonna take over DSLR world its gonna be mirrorless
 

Syborg1211

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Yep Anubis is right. It is a common misconception that smartphones have killed the DSLR. They killed the cheap pocket point and shoot camera market.

I think we're at a point now where smartphones are driving certain people to bigger cameras. People get a taste for photography on their phones and then decide they want to try something more serious, aka a DSLR or mirrorless camera. Point and shoot cameras used to be the gateway, but smartphones have replaced them.

It is true that the DSLR market saw years of decline, starting around the smartphone age, but it is false to assume they are directly correlated. DSLRs saw early success because tons of people wanted to try them out, and then the first time buyer market saturated resulting in a big slow-down. The same thing happened with ipads/tablets when they first came out. Tablets were huge for a while, but most people I know bought one tablet and realized there's not much need for a tablet when your phone is always in your pocket and can do everything the tablet can. Tablet sales have declined after saturating the first time buyer market.
 

FeuerFrei

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Maybe returning to "normal" saleswise. There was a bubble because of the rise of photosharing sites created enthusiasm for photography and people wanted the "best" images. Turns out the DSLR they bought languishes on the shelf because they are satisfied with more portable options, hence cooling sales. Also a fair sized contingent isn't discerning enough to appreciate the benefits of more megapixels or dynamic range. Such people use derisive terms like "pixel peepers" to describe those who actually care about quality. You can't assess your technique or hardware capabilities without displaying at 100% retards.
 

MrSquished

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if anythings gonna take over DSLR world its gonna be mirrorless

agreed. mirrorless cameras can do essentially everything a DSLR can do with a few differences here and there. depending upon what you are shooting, often a mirrorless setup can perform equally to your dslr setup. I switched to Olympus M43 years ago and haven't missed lugging around the huge DSLR kit I had one bit.
 

FeuerFrei

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Might be time for Samsung to retry that smartphone/camera combo from 2013. But with an interchangeable lens.



Oh wait, Samsung pulled out of the camera market.
 
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CuriousMike

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While I don't think a smartphone will replace a DSLR in the next 10-20 years, the overall image quality at the given focal length will likely match that of the DSLR.
This will be due to advancements in sensor technology and software.
Physics are physics so it will be difficult to have a true 200mm lens in a pocketable form on your smartphone, but Apple (and others) recent 28mm and 50mm (equivalence) lenses prove that having multiple lenses on a smartphone (in some form) is not only possible but in production.

And, knowing your lenses FOV, with software there will be some pretty cool DOF tricks that can be had.

LOL @ thinking a smartphone can replace a DSLR.......
 

turtile

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DSLRs were extremely popular because there were just shiny toys for most people. Now that the camera improvements are slowing down, you don't have a ton of hobbiests buying the newest camera every other year.

Just look at Nikon's flagship line. They released only six film flagship cameras over almost 50 years.

In less than 20, we've had D1, D1X, D2X, D3X, D3s, D4, D4s, D5 etc.
 

Syborg1211

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DSLRs were extremely popular because there were just shiny toys for most people. Now that the camera improvements are slowing down, you don't have a ton of hobbiests buying the newest camera every other year.

Just look at Nikon's flagship line. They released only six film flagship cameras over almost 50 years.

In less than 20, we've had D1, D1X, D2X, D3X, D3s, D4, D4s, D5 etc.

It's hard to compare film to digital. In the film days, improvements in film could be taken advantage of by older cameras. That's where Nikon and Canon became more of lens sellers than camera body sellers. You can still today take any old film camera and pair it with a nice lens and get amazing results with film. In the digital age, an old sensor is an old sensor. Today, the D1's usability is squat compared to the usability of a film F3.
 

jtvang125

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Yep Anubis is right. It is a common misconception that smartphones have killed the DSLR. They killed the cheap pocket point and shoot camera market.

I think we're at a point now where smartphones are driving certain people to bigger cameras. People get a taste for photography on their phones and then decide they want to try something more serious, aka a DSLR or mirrorless camera. Point and shoot cameras used to be the gateway, but smartphones have replaced them.

It is true that the DSLR market saw years of decline, starting around the smartphone age, but it is false to assume they are directly correlated. DSLRs saw early success because tons of people wanted to try them out, and then the first time buyer market saturated resulting in a big slow-down. The same thing happened with ipads/tablets when they first came out. Tablets were huge for a while, but most people I know bought one tablet and realized there's not much need for a tablet when your phone is always in your pocket and can do everything the tablet can. Tablet sales have declined after saturating the first time buyer market.

What I find funny is that many of the people who buy a dslr or a better camera to supplement their cell phones eventually just go back to their cell phones. They get tired of lugging around another device or complain that it's too big and heavy so it just sits at home collecting dust.

I think photography has to be a big passion of yours for you to want to deal with carrying something larger and heavier than your phone. I enjoy it and enjoy the experience of shooting with a real camera so I don't mind carrying all the extra things that go along with it.
 

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people never bought SLRs in huge numbers or often to begin with. they usually bought them when they had kids or went on a big vacation. there's still some of that, of course.

another issue is that, once you have one, most people aren't going to see a big upgrade in performance from a newer one, particularly any SLR since they all got to the ~18-24 megapixel range. it's kinda like moving from an HDD to an SSD. aside from the garbage first gen SSDs, most people aren't going to feel an upgrade in performance moving to a newer SSD (how old is the samsung 850 at this point?).
 

Rifter

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While I don't think a smartphone will replace a DSLR in the next 10-20 years, the overall image quality at the given focal length will likely match that of the DSLR.
This will be due to advancements in sensor technology and software.
Physics are physics so it will be difficult to have a true 200mm lens in a pocketable form on your smartphone, but Apple (and others) recent 28mm and 50mm (equivalence) lenses prove that having multiple lenses on a smartphone (in some form) is not only possible but in production.

And, knowing your lenses FOV, with software there will be some pretty cool DOF tricks that can be had.

Im not saying they wont replace P&S cameras, that they will do for sure or already have. But you dont buy a DSLR to shoot only 35mm, if you do you are doing it wrong. You go DSLR to have the ability to quickly change lens to match what you are trying to shoot at the time and get the effects you are after.

I always have at least 4 Lens in my bag and no cell phone is ever going to replace that, the cell phones that have tried to be cameras with changeable lens have all failed because people just dont want their phones to be that big. I dont see them fitting a 100mm+ lens into a current sized smart phone in my life time.
 

Syborg1211

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Im not saying they wont replace P&S cameras, that they will do for sure or already have. But you dont buy a DSLR to shoot only 35mm, if you do you are doing it wrong. You go DSLR to have the ability to quickly change lens to match what you are trying to shoot at the time and get the effects you are after.

I always have at least 4 Lens in my bag and no cell phone is ever going to replace that, the cell phones that have tried to be cameras with changeable lens have all failed because people just dont want their phones to be that big. I dont see them fitting a 100mm+ lens into a current sized smart phone in my life time.

That highly depends on what you're shooting. I do mainly portraits and use a 50mm 95% of the time.
 

turtile

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It's hard to compare film to digital. In the film days, improvements in film could be taken advantage of by older cameras. That's where Nikon and Canon became more of lens sellers than camera body sellers. You can still today take any old film camera and pair it with a nice lens and get amazing results with film. In the digital age, an old sensor is an old sensor. Today, the D1's usability is squat compared to the usability of a film F3.

That's the whole point. Digital gave people a reason to constantly buy new cameras and fuel more advancements. There are still huge in improvements in AF and metering.
 

luv2liv

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dslr might go away thanks to mirrorless.
just got my canon m6. insane beast of a camera in such a small package! and i can still use all my older canon lenses thanks to adapter. theres no way my smartphone will ever replace a real camera.
 
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Rottie

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I wasn't thinking about point and shoot camera. Sorry but still DSLR is way too expensive at least for me so I think people might not able to afford it and see DSLR market going down slowly when people found smartphones are affordable.
By the way I havent touched my bridged-camera Canon Powershot SX50 HS for long time when I have an iPhone 7 plus.
 

zCypher

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Sorry but still DSLR is way too expensive at least for me so I think people might not able to afford it and see DSLR market going down slowly when people found smartphones are affordable.
Huh? My midrange DSLR kit cost quite a bit less money than a flagship smartphone. There's probably a number of things that you will have spent as much or more money on compared to what a basic DSLR kit costs. It all comes down to whether the expense is worth it for you, it doesn't have to be that huge of a purchase. People spend $800+ on a phone without blinking an eye.

DSLRs are for people who are interested in learning photography, with the intention of adding more lenses in the future. That's the whole selling point of system cameras (being able to change lenses). Photography, like so many other things, is a world of trade-offs and compromises. There's no such thing as a camera that does everything best. They're simply tools to perform a specific task. A smartphone can take nice pictures, and the best camera is always the one you have on you. But it's simply ignorant to say a phone can replace a DSLR. It can't.

If you simply have no use for a DSLR, well that's another matter. For plenty of people, smartphones have reached that "good enough" point, just like computers did long ago. For the rest, smartphones actually just make DSLRs even more enticing!
 

Rottie

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I still have a Canon PowerShot SX50 HS I have gone with S3, SX30 and now SX50 I always take picture with auto setting but never learn more about shutter speed, aperture, manual, etc so that's why I start with PowerShot to start with until I'm mastered then maybe go with DSLR maybe a cheap used DSLR later in the future.
 

Red Storm

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I used to be one of those who felt "Why would I ever need a DSLR when I've got my super awesome smartphone camera?"

Then last month, something clicked and I am now really into photography. Got myself a DSLR, a couple lenses, a tripod, and a bag (which I may return, finding that perfect bag really is an endless quest!). My phone takes nice pictures, but my camera takes awesome pictures. There's so many places I want to go visit now that before getting into photography I would have never even thought about. There is something calming about it, a break from the fast paced stresses of day to day life.
 
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