Is elective abortion a woman taking or avoiding responsibility?

[s0me0nesmind1]

She's a person, not a box, you dehumanizing asshole.

No shit she is a human. Obviously context is something hard for you to grasp. It can be challenging, I know.

As far as being a parent is concerned, she is simply the box that holds the child while in development. What justification do you have that she gets sole discretion over a human baby that is a 50% reflection of the father with zero input from himself? You're the "dehumanizing asshole" for not considering the thoughts of the father, smart one.

I agree with you about the box comment, but i think his overall point has merit for discussion. I would like to see fathers have some say in the matter. It is also his child she is aborting. What if the father would like to take sole custody of the child and raise it himself (assuming they were just dating), and would pay for all medical etc for her to carry it to term.

I know their are lots of variables and scenarios this can play out in. But i think men should have some say, but maybe not the final say.

Oh look, we have at least one that gets it.

 

[dank69]

I agree with you about the box comment, but i think his overall point has merit for discussion. I would like to see fathers have some say in the matter. It is also his child she is aborting. What if the father would like to take sole custody of the child and raise it himself (assuming they were just dating), and would pay for all medical etc for her to carry it to term.

I know their are lots of variables and scenarios this can play out in. But i think men should have some say, but maybe not the final say.

Doesn't matter one bit. Find a compliant girl to get pregnant if you want a kid. If you don't want a kid, take appropriate measures to prevent pregnancy. Don't rely on her word that she has taken measures.

 

[cbrunny]

ANOTHER joke thread? Come on AT. Be serious.

 

[dank69]

No shit she is a human. Obviously context is something hard for you to grasp. It can be challenging, I know.

As far as being a parent is concerned, she is simply the box that holds the child while in development. What justification do you have that she gets sole discretion over a human baby that is a 50% reflection of the father with zero input from himself? You're the "dehumanizing asshole" for not considering the thoughts of the father, smart one.




Oh look, we have at least one that gets it.

No, you don't get it. Reducing 40 weeks of pregnancy and the labor process to "a box" is ignorant.

 

[glenn1]

i think a forum full of mostly men discussing women's reproductive choices is hilarious.

Women have opinions on men's choices pretty routinely, it's even the basis for much of the material for some female comedians. You can have personal thoughts about a generic situation without using them to coerce a particular person in a specific situation.

 

[zinfamous]

No shit she is a human. Obviously context is something hard for you to grasp. It can be challenging, I know.

As far as being a parent is concerned, she is simply the box that holds the child while in development. What justification do you have that she gets sole discretion over a human baby that is a 50% reflection of the father with zero input from himself? You're the "dehumanizing asshole" for not considering the thoughts of the father, smart one.




Oh look, we have at least one that gets it.

Oh man, if only you could be the box, I guess?

 

[jackstar7]

Simple question. Is a woman who gets an abortion being responsible and accountable, or selfish and irresponsible? For sake of argument consider it as an unintended but healthy pregnancy and exclude abortions for "live of mother," rape, and other typical exception cases.

No option for "this is not a binary situation, you sad reductionist"

But I suppose that puts me in the "Other"

 

[HomerJS]

Not up to me to justify or judge. That's why decision should be up to the woman.

Way too many varied situations. One could argue if doctors say carrying to term there is a 95% change the mother dies, any other choice is selfish.

 

[glenn1]

No option for "this is not a binary situation, you sad reductionist"

Easy solution for you and the others who think it's not binary; simply specify in your post the exact ratio you think it is. That way you can fine tune it as much as you like to whatever number of decimal points; e.g. 45.3% irresponsible vs. 54.7% responsible.

 

[sandorski]

It's her body and none of your business as to why she chooses.

 

[jackstar7]

Easy solution for you and the others who think it's not binary; simply specify in your post the exact ratio you think it is. That way you can fine tune it as much as you like to whatever number of decimal points; e.g. 45.3% irresponsible vs. 54.7% responsible.

You're fun.

 

[DrPizza]

Easy solution for you and the others who think it's not binary; simply specify in your post the exact ratio you think it is. That way you can fine tune it as much as you like to whatever number of decimal points; e.g. 45.3% irresponsible vs. 54.7% responsible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary
You seem to be having trouble understanding what "not binary" means.

 

[kage69]

Women have opinions on men's choices pretty routinely, it's even the basis for much of the material for some female comedians. You can have personal thoughts about a generic situation without using them to coerce a particular person in a specific situation.

Which is why you went reductionist on the topic to start off with? Sure, ok.

I love the false equivalence though, even if it is surprising to see you give it a shot again like you did with Monica Lewinsky and Bill's consensual trist being the same as child abuse.

Tell us, which states and laws prevent or hinder your right to control your own body? Which party is continually trying to insulate your body from your control? What groups have singled you out as wicked, evil and selfish, a murderer?

The abortion debate is not about the right to have opinions, and you paint yourself a hack by insinuating otherwise.

 

[soundforbjt]

I believe I'm fully qualified to do so because I have a financial interest in it. You don't believe the lie that taxpayers aren't funding abortions do you?

You'd rather pay for 18 years of welfare instead?

 

[sandorski]

Easy solution for you and the others who think it's not binary; simply specify in your post the exact ratio you think it is. That way you can fine tune it as much as you like to whatever number of decimal points; e.g. 45.3% irresponsible vs. 54.7% responsible.

100% her choice.

 

[Atreus21]

Simple question. Is a woman who gets an abortion being responsible and accountable, or selfish and irresponsible? For sake of argument consider it as an unintended but healthy pregnancy and exclude abortions for "live of mother," rape, and other typical exception cases.

In the parameters you have set, there is no good reason to kill a healthy unborn child.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

No shit she is a human.

Then say so, you nazi fuckwit.

Obviously context is something hard for you to grasp. It can be challenging, I know.
There is no relevant context, shit for brains. She's a person, so she enjoys the same rights to bodily integrity and sovereignty as everyone else.

As far as being a parent is concerned, she is simply the box that holds the child while in development.
No, she's a person, with (gasp!) rights. In contrast, you're a piece of shit.


What justification do you have that she gets sole discretion over a human baby that is a 50% reflection of the father with zero input from himself?
If you understood that women are people too you wouldn't ask such ridiculous questions. Fuck you, you dehumanizing prick.

You're the "dehumanizing asshole" for not considering the thoughts of the father, smart one.
You clearly do not understand what that word means.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I would like to see fathers have some say in the matter.

You would like to see women surrender their rights against their will? Then fuck you too.

It is also his child she is aborting.

Then he should take care to impregnate a woman that will take his feelings into consideration when exercising her rights.

What if the father would like to take sole custody of the child and raise it himself (assuming they were just dating), and would pay for all medical etc for her to carry it to term.

Is the child in his body?

I know their are lots of variables and scenarios this can play out in. But i think men should have some say, but maybe not the final say.

We can say anything we want. Her right to bodily integrity and bodily sovereignty is equal to yours and mine. I don't speak for you, but I am not ok with anyone being forced to relinquish those rights against their will.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

In the parameters you have set, there is no good reason to kill a healthy unborn child.

There is no such thing as an "unborn child" just like there is no such thing as an "undead corpse."

You're a liar, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[master_shake_]

I believe I'm fully qualified to do so because I have a financial interest in it. You don't believe the lie that taxpayers aren't funding abortions do you?

you have the same amount of say to where your tax dollars go to, as you have of a woman's choice or reason to have an abortion...

so zero.

 

[Atreus21]

There is no such thing as an "unborn child" just like there is no such thing as an "undead corpse."

You're a liar, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Yes there is. This is one right here:

If this child were born right now he or she'd look something like this:

 

[bshole]

If you cannot afford (either time or money) to care for a child, it would be an immoral act to have the child.

 

[1prophet]

i think a forum full of mostly men discussing women's reproductive choices is hilarious.

What if they are transgender males, does their opinion count then?:hmm:

 

[ivwshane]

If a woman decided to abort I wouldn't judge and I certainly wouldn't think they are not being responsible.

And if I were to judge and I did think they were avoiding responsibility then I would hope I'd put my money were my mouth is and start helping pay for those that I look down upon.

 

[kage69]

Yes there is. This is one right here:

Fetus != person, we've been over this.

As Cerpin likes to say, children are born. Birth is the standard, the point at which everything changes and one person divides into two separate, autonomous people. Why is this a hard concept to accept? Did you and your wife announce and name your kids when she was in the 1st trimester? What comes before a birth certificate? I imagine you'd want these fetuses to have social security numbers right? How exactly would the state confirm and accommodate this kind of view, where "the citizen hatches before the citizen egg?"