I am simply trying to verifying whether that is truly Cerpin Taxt's belief.
Fetus != person, we've been over this.
As Cerpin likes to say, children are born. Birth is the standard, the point at which everything changes and one person divides into two separate, autonomous people. Why is this a hard concept to accept?
Did you and your wife announce and name your kids when she was in the 1st trimester?
What comes before a birth certificate?
I imagine you'd want these fetuses to have social security numbers right?
Everyone is still waiting for you to be protesting the definitive treatment for ectopic pregnancies.
Sorry, no sale. She knows of the consequences and has made her initial decision (to have sex). If she does get pregnant from that then she has another decision to make and she already knows that. The man only has one decision to make and it's his problem if it's a bad decision.
Just like it's her two decisions to make, even if they are both bad decisions.
To what end?
This doesn't refute anything I've said. Your educators failed you gravely.
Nope. If she's the mother and she decides to have the kid and not marry him then that's her problem. There was no trap, she put herself in that position. She freely gave of herself just to have some sex while not thinking of the consequences. If she was really concerned about being stuck with a child and not having support then she could have abstained from sex or went and had her tubes tied first.
It's not the job of the man to protect a woman from talking with the wrong lips.
If she makes the decisions, why is he responsible for at least 50-50 (likely more considering how child support is biased towards women in the USA) of the responsibilities? I could agree that he should be responsible for impregnating her. If she wants an abortion, the man should have to pay at least half of the costs. She is 100% responsible for giving birth to a child, however, therefore she should bare the entire burden for her decision.
Would Bruce Jenner's opinion count?What if they are transgender males, does their opinion count then?:hmm:
Child support is for the child's welfare.
It's not a matter of what happened during conception/gestation. It's about giving the kid a fair shot regardless of the parents' issues.
This shouldn't even be up for debate. It's a responsible action taken by an individual that may not be ready to care for another and/or burden society with that decision.
On that note, I always wondered, why is it that Republicans and the Christian right are so concerned with what other people do with their fetus yet they are the first to deny any kind of social support when that fetus is born?
On that note, I always wondered, why is it that Republicans and the Christian right are so concerned with what other people do with their fetus yet they are the first to deny any kind of social support when that fetus is born?
Lets assume your premise is true, (I don't think it is) are you saying we should kill children who need social support? If not then why should we kill babies who might need social support?On that note, I always wondered, why is it that Republicans and the Christian right are so concerned with what other people do with their fetus yet they are the first to deny any kind of social support when that fetus is born?
In theory, yes. In practice, it provides financial incentive for mothers to have children that fathers don't want.
How much do you think child support generally provides?
You realize that she's going to be on the hook for a lot of her own money and time? How would that be an overall win for her?
You sound paranoid.
How much do you think child support generally provides?
You realize that she's going to be on the hook for a lot of her own money and time? How would that be an overall win for her?
You sound paranoid.
Lets assume your premise is true, (I don't think it is) are you saying we should kill children who need social support? If not then why should we kill babies who might need social support?
No, he sounds like a fucking idiot. Paranoid would be him thinking that's what women are planning when they are with him.
Why do leftists love single mothers so much? Were you the result of a single mother?
Why are you so stupid? Was your mother a smoker or a drinker when she was pregnant with you?
Removing an embryo is a far cry from killing a living self aware and feeling child. What a specious and weak argument, often used by the far right to justify control over others.
Sounds to me like Hamburgerboy would support using the courts to force an abortion if he doesn't want her pregnant.
I wonder if he'd support a court ordered vasectomy if she doesn't want to get pregnant? :hmm:
No, I support not supporting grossly unethical and irresponsible actions such as becoming a single mother.
So you were married when you lost your virginity? Or do you also support the prohibition of pre marital sex as well? Careful, your ISIS, is showing.
You realize that this is a thread about abortion, right? There's no reason an accidental pregnancy must result in a child.