Is G2A legit?

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Midwayman

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I've bought from g2a without issues in the past. Just be careful what you buy. If it shows up as a 'steam gift' you don't want it. If it requires a VPN to activate, you don't want it. You have to be careful checking that the key is valid for your region. G2A, and most of these site sell multiple types of key for the same game. Sometimes you'll follow a link to g2a for a low price, but switch to their US site and it'll be more expensive as you can't use the 'cheap' key.
 

ThinClient

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G2A is a gray-market, unauthorized CD key seller. You can buy from them without problems - and many people have - but it can be risky. Publishers have deactivated gray-market games from people's Steam libraries in the past.

Got any links to back up your claim that G2A is not legit?
 

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Got any links to back up your claim that G2A is not legit?

Depends on how the CD was obtained. I imagine most of these sites believe they got the CD's honestly and don't maliciously sell you bad CD keys. Though then they order bulk CD Keys and resale them, any one of them since they are not retail, could be randomly reported as stolen from the original buyer.

If you read these sites Terms of Service they do not claim liability:

7.5 To the fullest extent permitted by law, all services provided by ******** on or via the Site are made available on an AS IS, IF AVAILABLE, and WITH ALL DEFECTS basis, and ******** hereby expressly declines all warranties, including but not limited to any warranty of condition, quality, durability, functioning, reliability, merchantability or suitability for any specific purpose of the products and services sold by the Sellers or the Selling Users or sold by itself, unless consumers rights protection laws provide otherwise.

7.6 To the fullest extent permitted by law, ******** does not make any representation or give any warranty in relation to the quality, manufacturing, import, export, distribution, offering, presentation and/or use of any products or services offered on the Site nor does ******** take any responsibility for any potential infringements of third party rights related to the use of any services or products available through the Site.


These places are legit as a guy that would sell you a working Blue Ray player from the back of their van, but they are usually not authorized resellers. 3rd party sellers were always known against Steams policy. They do not ban you, but they can deactivate the game from your library if the CD is already in use or reported stolen.
 
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AnMig

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bought fc4, watch dogs, borderlands 2 with no problem.

it would suck if my fc4 stopped working, currently at 84%completion.

i think once it activates you are good.
 

ThinClient

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Depends on how the CD was obtained. I imagine most of these sites believe they got the CD's honestly and don't maliciously sell you bad CD keys. Though then they order bulk CD Keys and resale them, any one of them since they are not retail, could be randomly reported as stolen from the original buyer.

If you read these sites Terms of Service they do not claim liability:

7.5 To the fullest extent permitted by law, all services provided by ******** on or via the Site are made available on an AS IS, IF AVAILABLE, and WITH ALL DEFECTS basis, and ******** hereby expressly declines all warranties, including but not limited to any warranty of condition, quality, durability, functioning, reliability, merchantability or suitability for any specific purpose of the products and services sold by the Sellers or the Selling Users or sold by itself, unless consumers rights protection laws provide otherwise.

7.6 To the fullest extent permitted by law, ******** does not make any representation or give any warranty in relation to the quality, manufacturing, import, export, distribution, offering, presentation and/or use of any products or services offered on the Site nor does ******** take any responsibility for any potential infringements of third party rights related to the use of any services or products available through the Site.


These places are legit as a guy that would sell you a working Blue Ray player from the back of their van, but they are usually not authorized resellers. 3rd party sellers were always known against Steams policy. They do not ban you, but they can deactivate the game from your library if the CD is already in use or reported stolen.

Every website, including the one you're posting on right now, forces you to agree that the website isn't responsible for what happens to you while using offered services.

We are NOT TALKING ABOUT COMPACT DISCS. We're talking about Steam keys and such that are purchased directly from Steam or from other original sources.

Reported stolen from the original buyer? What are you smoking? G2A doesn't buy keys that are already purchased by a consumer. They buy keys in bulk from the game production companies who make the games, from Steam directly, etc.

You quoted me but you didn't address ANYTHING that you quoted.

Do you have any link or evidence of any kind to prove that G2A sells keys illegally or takes part in any sort of dubious business practice?
 

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Lifer
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You are so ignorant it is not even funny. In what way does the TOS above mean just physical copies? Screw it.

Why don't you do your due diligence yourself.

http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/matth...evoking-far-cry-4-keys-bought-from-resellers/

Resellers like the ones stated, are from people who get them from bundle deals and resale them which are forbidden to do by Steam TOS. Or they buy them in another region and resale them against more Steam TOS.It's general knowledge how non-authorized retailers work. Will they work ? Sure but there is always a chance. They don't just buy in "bulk". Do you even use the site in question?

It's not the end of the world as most people never have a problem doing it.
 

Dankk

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Do you have any link or evidence of any kind to prove that G2A sells keys illegally or takes part in any sort of dubious business practice?

TotalBiscuit did a whole video explaining how these gray-market CD key resellers have no legitimate inquiry into where they source their keys from; how very little of the profit they make on games goes back to the original developers (if any at all); and how they exploit regional pricing systems to sell games outside of their intended market, defeating the entire purpose of regional pricing/price locks in the first place. (Yup, buying keys "in bulk" and selling them against the publisher's specifications sounds totally legit to me. )

As TB tweeted:

G2A and their ilk are unauthorized key resellers who, at best, source from cheaper regional markets. Use them at your own risk.

At worst, G2A sellers will spam game developers with emails claiming that they are a major Youtube review site and want to have a free copy of the game, only to abuse the dev's good will and flip the game on G2A for profit.

As one dev states,

I expect I would have lived in ignorance for a long time if it hadn't been for one thread that appeared on the Steam forums. Some folks reported that Worlds of Magic was available for purchase for about 15$ at [G2A]. I was sure that something wasn't right as the price has been set up everywhere to be exactly the same... So, as it turned out, roughly 70% of the keys we had given out were taken under false pretenses, or to use a more direct term, stolen.

There was a period of time when, literally, many of these key resellers were profiting off of charity and bulk-purchasing Steam games from sites like Humble Bundle to resell them at a higher price. Sites like G2A are the reason why there is now $1 minimum requirement for Steam keys, or BTA prices, or activation links instead of Steam keys, or one link for all games so you can't reuse keys/links for games you already own. They are, in a very serious way, the reason why we "can't have nice things" anymore.

"I do know some indies who also had problems with their games being sold without their agreement on that site,” Keys says. Games are sold direct from G2A and by users of the site. For example, Thomas was Alone is selling for as low as $0.97 from a member of G2A’s community.

It was already mentioned above, but yeah, Rebellion cracking down on gray-market copies of Sniper Elite III was a very real thing, and thousands of games were removed from people's libraries.

We are receiving a lot of reports from you guys telling us that Steam is currently revoking Sniper Elite III keys bought from sites like CDKeys and Kinguin. Valve has yet to offer an official explanation or statement but this could be a sign that the company is going to fight back against cheap CD key selling sites... Some retailers are offering a discount on your next order to make up for the trouble but we don’t know if this is Valve’s first step to ridding itself of unofficial sellers.

It’s a little early to say whether or not Valve is moving to ban games bought from sites like G2A, CDKeys or Kinguin but it’s possible. Hopefully Valve will offer a statement soon.

If you were one of the people naive enough to purchase a copy of the game from one of these sites, the message Steam gives you upon revocation looks something like this:

Your recent product code activation has been revoked due to a problem processing payment for this item. The games associated with this product code can no longer be played as a result. This could be due to a problem with the payment methods you used to acquire this item from a third-party seller; or a problem with how the third-party seller acquired the product code.

Devolver is another games publisher who is making it perfectly clear that they are cracking down on gray-market sites.

http://www.pcgamesn.com/devolver-digital-games-being-sold-illegitimately-online



Also as already mentioned - Ubisoft has begun pulling games from people's Uplay's accounts that were purchased from gray-market sites as well.

Your keys were removed because they were found to be illegal. This means they were either generated, bought with stolen credentials, or the key was sold to you by a third party in which they filed a chargeback.

Either way these keys from these 'discount' retailers are NOT supported by the publisher/developer and are often times ILLEGAL. Most of these prices are sold at a total loss anyway, and it only gets money for the seller as they keep your money but find excuses to not refund you.

While these sites may legitimately "purchase games in bulk" from a "supplier", they ARE NOT properly authorized to resell these keys. THEY DO NOT HAVE A PROPER DISTRIBUTION AGREEMENT WITH THE PUBLISHER TO SELL THE CODES ON THE INTERNET. For most of these sites, this means buying cheap physical copies of games in bulk from cheap countries, and scanning the codes to sell online. (My favorites are sites like CJS CD Keys where they make it so damn obvious, they literally just email you a camera photo of the key on the back of a gamebox someone took in a warehouse somewhere.)

Also, while writing this post, I realized that writing out the full name of G2A's website is automatically censored by Anandtech's forum filter, presumably because the mods are already aware of their illegitimacy, or because of how spammy people are with their affiliate program. Either way, they suck. Their illegitimacy is one of the reasons why they are met with hesitation by communities such as CheapAssGamer and outright blacklisted by places like /r/gamedeals.

tl;dr: If you want to save money by purchasing game codes from third-party sites, you should purchase them from authorized retailers like GMG, GetGames, GamersGate, etc, etc, and stop contributing to shady gray-market sites that sell games against the publishers' demands while ultimately making game devs tighten up on DRM even more and ending up making things worse for the rest of us.
 
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Dankk

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Reported stolen from the original buyer? What are you smoking? G2A doesn't buy keys that are already purchased by a consumer. They buy keys in bulk from the game production companies who make the games, from Steam directly, etc.

...uh, right. How about you provide a link or some kind of evidence that G2A gets their keys directly from Steam? Unless you're talking about foreign traders who buy cheap Steam games in places like Russia, and put them into their inventory to sell to outsiders at a higher price, using sites like G2A as a middleman. Valve takes cross-region game trading pretty seriously. Have fun getting the banhammer. (It looks like they eventually put in measures to stop this practice altogether within the Steam client.)

It blows my mind how many people still defend sites like G2A in the face of extreme shadiness. You've never had any problems buying games from them? Good for you. It's still illegitimate. If you still think G2A is a "totally legit!" place to be making purchases from, even after everything I posted above, please, tell me more. I want to study you.
 
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ThinClient

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...uh, right. How about you provide a link or some kind of evidence that G2A gets their keys directly from Steam? Unless you're talking about foreign traders who buy cheap Steam games in places like Russia, and put them into their inventory to sell to outsiders at a higher price, using sites like G2A as a middleman. Valve takes cross-region game trading pretty seriously. Have fun getting the banhammer. (It looks like they eventually put in measures to stop this practice altogether within the Steam client.)

It blows my mind how many people still defend sites like G2A in the face of extreme shadiness. You've never had any problems buying games from them? Good for you. It's still illegitimate. If you still think G2A is a "totally legit!" place to be making purchases from, even after everything I posted above, please, tell me more. I want to study you.

I've had no problems buying global keys on G2A and Nuuvem.

I've seen some evidence in this thread that people may use G2A as a way to sell their keys, which is against the rules, but this still doesn't validate any claim that G2A, themselves, are at fault. Where's the lawsuits? Where's the Cease & Desist letter? Why aren't lawyers involved? Is this because the issue you're trying to paint isn't G2A's fault? I'd say so.

That's like saying that Ebay is at fault because some seller screwed you over. :awe:
 
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ThinClient

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TotalBiscuit did a whole video explaining how these gray-market CD key resellers have no legitimate inquiry into where they source their keys from; how very little of the profit they make on games goes back to the original developers (if any at all); and how they exploit regional pricing systems to sell games outside of their intended market, defeating the entire purpose of regional pricing/price locks in the first place. (Yup, buying keys "in bulk" and selling them against the publisher's specifications sounds totally legit to me. )

As TB tweeted:

Is TB making claims that he didn't back up? Is TB simply making generalized statements about the way SOME of these companies work? Where's the proof that G2A bought keys from the source he's claiming? Show me.

Besides, TotalBiscuit is PAID BY THESE PEOPLE. He earns his living in part from the money he gets from development companies to schlep their products. I like him and his point of view and I know he's probably one of the most open game critics when it comes to the subject of sponsorship, but I'm always skeptical since he is financially vested in defending and siding with game devs and their production companies.

At worst, G2A sellers will spam game developers with emails claiming that they are a major Youtube review site and want to have a free copy of the game, only to abuse the dev's good will and flip the game on G2A for profit.

I know individual gamers (one, specifically) who spam every dev they can find contact info for requesting free keys for their youtube channel. He gets keys every time. So what? Sure, he COULD sell them, but he doesn't. How do you (TB and others rallying against this) KNOW that the keys sold on G2A are from these kinds of sources? Are you guessing? Are you grasping at justifcation?

As one dev states,

That's not stealing. That's not theft. That's a breach of contract in that keys were given upon agreement that they be sold at a certain rate (like selling jewelry at a pawn shop). Doesn't look like the dev is even smart enough to illustrate the problem.


There was a period of time when, literally, many of these key resellers were profiting off of charity and bulk-purchasing Steam games from sites like Humble Bundle to resell them at a higher price. Sites like G2A are the reason why there is now $1 minimum requirement for Steam keys, or BTA prices, or activation links instead of Steam keys, or one link for all games so you can't reuse keys/links for games you already own. They are, in a very serious way, the reason why we "can't have nice things" anymore.

I don't see any problem with that. That's marketing. That's capitalism. You find someone willing to give away something for free or sell something for cheap and you buy it and resell it.

Nobody is STEALING these keys. Nobody is FORCING game production companies from giving away the keys. "Now now, kiddies, no making a profit on this! Only OUR efforts are allowed to profit, not yours!"

People do it all the time with, to match product with interest based on where I'm posting, computer hardware. When the PlayStation3 came out, people were buying multiple consoles and reselling them on ebay for much higher price. People on this very forum will go out and buy up a shartload of specific HDDs or RAM when they go on sale and resell them for normal price and make a profit. I don't see you screaming at them for taking advantage of what our economy calls a "Value Added Reseller."

The only reason these devs are mad is that someone else is getting a bigger piece of the pie and not them. It's greed, it's jealousy. HEY NO FAIR, YOU FOUND AN INNOVATIVE WAY TO RESELL SOMETHING THAT YOU FOUND FOR CHEAPER. That's like me buying a PlayStation 3 and reselling it for 3 times the price and then Sony getting pissed that they didn't get 3 times the price for each console when I bought it from them.

blah blah blah (snipped)

I don't really have anything to say regarding the rest of your post that I haven't already said. If you're really concerned about this issue, why don't I see you railing against the music industry where artists are given less than a dollar for their albums sold when the producer is getting 90% of the profit?

This kind of thing happens every day in every single facet of our capitalist economy.

Do you really think it costs a clothing manufacturer $50 to make a pair of jeans? No, each and every company involved between the manufacture and the ultimate sale of that piece of clothing takes their cut which ups the price.

I'm amazed at how many people scream about the attrocities of one situation while rationalizing away the other when both situations are identical on the fundamental level.
 
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imaheadcase

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I've had zero issues with all the game keys i've bought from there, that is about %50 or more of my games.

I even bought a win 8.1 upgrade to 8.1 PRO for $30 without issue on it.

Almost every Twitch streamer uses them as well.
 
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DefDC

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FWIW, I was just finishing up FC4's Escape of Durgesh Prison DLC. When I booted up on Sunday morning, my Season Pass was gone. My core game was was from a SSD pack-in, so it was unaffected.

I bought the Season Pass from G2A, as a "global" key, from the US, thinking it was at least somewhat legit. But it's gone. I always thought the pricier G2A keys were harvested from legit sources, or bulk-bought. But, I see that's not the case.

Since PC gaming has been my favorite hobby since the 80s, I've almost never pirated any game. I want to see the the devs rewarded for their work. However, I am very cost conscious. I like to know I'm getting a good deal. I pirated "Knights of the Old Republic 2" because I happened to be beyond broke at the time. I figured it wouldn't hurt "just this one time". Black Isle, my favorite developer of all time, filed for bankruptcy days later. I don't really believe in karma, but that really hurt. I've never pirated a game since.

After I read up on Ubi pulling keys from G2A, I paid the $30 for the season pass. I can afford it. The game has brought me hours and hours of fun, and I can see me replaying it for years. Money well spent.

I'm certainly bummed the cheap game train has been derailed for me, but I want devs to be paid and making more great games more than I want cheap dirt games.
 

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I live in Southeast Asian and am very thankful that Steam games are available in local currency, making them very affordable.

If I were to use this as an opportunity to do some arbitrage then I see it as harmful for myself. In the long run if such arbitrage proves popular and hard to control then publishers and their distributors (official ones, such as Steam) would opt to disable the market segmentation altogether making legit games not affordable for me and most people in the region.

Arguing that this constitutes mere breach of contract and not theft is just semantic.* At the end of the day, since many game developers see it as illegitimate and their distributors actively try to block the usage of the cd keys acquired in such a way then I cannot but see it as both ethically wrong as well and reckless for risking a Steam account full of games to save a few bucks.

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And the act of asking for keys under the pretense of review then selling it should be categorized as fraud at least in the eyes of the distributors if not before the law of the land
 
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