Is G3220 good for gaming?

[jacktesterson]

Have you looked at the X4 750k / X4 760k?

I've had no problem pushing a 7850 @ 1200/1375 at 1080p.

I've got mine running at 4.2GHz using a stock FX-8320 Cooler and stock voltage.

I was in a similar situation, built a cheap couch PC around Christmas. I ended up going with the X4 for the 4 cores.

 

[Revolution]

Wait it out till Pentium G3258 is available if possible, if that is your budget I'd suggest get 750 Ti and 6GB RAM. Later you can upgrade it to 8 or whatever is necessary.

Waiting will be no use cos high end Pentium or CPU like X4 750K/760K never available in my country(India).
So, have to decide form these CPUs.
I 6GB and later 2GB not good idea.
May be 2x4GB will be more balanced that 4GB+2GB+2GB ?
And motherboard with 2xRAM slot cheaper that 4 slots too.

 

[AtenRa]

Waiting will be no use cos high end Pentium or CPU like X4 750K/760K never available in my country(India).
So, have to decide form these CPUs.
I 6GB and later 2GB not good idea.
May be 2x4GB will be more balanced that 4GB+2GB+2GB ?
And motherboard with 2xRAM slot cheaper that 4 slots too.

How much of a price difference from Pentium G3220 to AMD A8-5600K in India ??

 

[Revolution]

No,Pentium G3220 is not available in India and it will never sell here.
And same for AMD X4 750K/760K too.

AMD A8-5600K out of stock but 6600K cost near Rs.6.7K where Intel i3 3220 or AMD FX6300 cos near Rs.7.5K.

http://www.flipkart.com/computers/c...3f588-1d6f-4301-b78a-302627f983f8#jumpTo=0|20

 

[AtenRa]

No,Pentium G3220 is not available in India and it will never sell here.
And same for AMD X4 750K/760K too.

AMD A8-5600K out of stock but 6600K cost near Rs.6.7K where Intel i3 3220 or AMD FX6300 cos near Rs.7.5K.

http://www.flipkart.com/computers/c...3f588-1d6f-4301-b78a-302627f983f8#jumpTo=0|20

From the link you provided i would go for the FX-4300 + Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P = 5775 + 5798 = rs. 11573

The FX4300 will not even need an OC and you can upgrade to FX8350 later on.

If you want a more modern chipset, you can go for the A8-6600K + MSI A88XM-E35 = 6441 + 5830 = rs. 12271

But the FX4300 will be faster.

It will also be much better if you could tell us what budget you can have for the CPU + Motherboard so we can find the best performance/price.

 

[TeknoBug]

Or the FX 4350, high stock clock and easy to OC even on low end boards. I like mine.

 

[jacktesterson]

From the link you provided i would go for the FX-4300 + Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P = 5775 + 5798 = rs. 11573

The FX4300 will not even need an OC and you can upgrade to FX8350 later on.

If you want a more modern chipset, you can go for the A8-6600K + MSI A88XM-E35 = 6441 + 5830 = rs. 12271

But the FX4300 will be faster.

It will also be much better if you could tell us what budget you can have for the CPU + Motherboard so we can find the best performance/price.

Just to be warned

I have the MSI A88XM-E35 and it has absolutely ZERO overlocking features when it comes to voltages. You can change the Multi and run whatever you can on stock voltage. I've tried a A6-6400K and X4 750K. I'm on the newest bios too.

 

[AtenRa]

Just to be warned

I have the MSI A88XM-E35 and it has absolutely ZERO overlocking features when it comes to voltages. You can change the Multi and run whatever you can on stock voltage. I've tried a A6-6400K and X4 750K. I'm on the newest bios too.

Really ?? heh thanks for the info didnt know about that.

 

[Revolution]

From the link you provided i would go for the FX-4300 + Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P = 5775 + 5798 = rs. 11573

The FX4300 will not even need an OC and you can upgrade to FX8350 later on.

If you want a more modern chipset, you can go for the A8-6600K + MSI A88XM-E35 = 6441 + 5830 = rs. 12271

But the FX4300 will be faster.

It will also be much better if you could tell us what budget you can have for the CPU + Motherboard so we can find the best performance/price.

Thanks for ur reply!
I will keep in mind about the FX4300.
How can u compare this FX4300 with Intel Pentium series ? (only modern gaming perspective)
Though FX4300 is priced higher.

Currently I have 15K in my hand and I have a goal to save another 10K before end of this year.
So,my total budget is max 25K for CPU/APU+Mobo+RAM+GPU.
My current very old system:
Intel C2D E4500 @2.GHz
4GB RAM
AMD HD5670 512MB DDR5
500GB HDD
Corsair VX450W
Dell S2240L(using VGA cable )

I may buy CPU/APU+Mobo+RAM in next 2-3 month then may be buy GPU few months later.
Don't what is best for me.

Note: I'm always afraid to go with AMD CPU/APU cos of heating issue(than more power consumption than Intel). I live in hot humid area and my case/cooling system is not great and no after marker cooler. Always using stock Intel cooler and never OC anything in my life.

 

[SPBHM]

From the link you provided i would go for the FX-4300 + Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P = 5775 + 5798 = rs. 11573

The FX4300 will not even need an OC and you can upgrade to FX8350 later on.

If you want a more modern chipset, you can go for the A8-6600K + MSI A88XM-E35 = 6441 + 5830 = rs. 12271

But the FX4300 will be faster.

It will also be much better if you could tell us what budget you can have for the CPU + Motherboard so we can find the best performance/price.

Core i5 3450 Rs. 10863
ASRock H61M-VS4 Rs. 2845
or
Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Rs. 4599

is better price / performance for gaming

if you don't have a sata III ssd, multiple cards or need for more than 8/16GB of ram.

 

[Revolution]

Core i5 3450 an old gen 4 core cpu ?
I will not gonna buy any SSD cos its not cheaper and 2 Slot for for RAM(2x4GB) is enough for me.

 

[bullzz]

yes i5 3450 is last gen (ivy bridge)

 

[AtenRa]

Core i5 3450 Rs. 10863
ASRock H61M-VS4 Rs. 2845
or
Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Rs. 4599

is better price / performance for gaming

if you don't have a sata III ssd, multiple cards or need for more than 8/16GB of ram.

I would rather go for socket 1150 and Core i3 and have both SATA-6, USB-3 and the ability to upgrade to Core i7 4790 in the future. Both motherboards bellow can use the 4790.
Haswell Core i3 is very close to Ivy Core i5 entry models in Gaming. In fact in games that need 1-2 threads the Haswell Core i3 may be even faster. Also, dont forget he is not going to buy a GTX780ti or 290X, he's not going to be CPU limited with the Haswell Core i3 with a R7 270X or GTX660.

Core i3 4130 = rs. 7945

GA-H81M-S1 = rs. 4139

total = rs. 12084

or

ASUS B85M-G = rs. 5865

total = rs. 13810

In reference, Core i5 3450 + H61 = rs. 13708

I find the Core i3 4130 + ASUS B85M-G much better at the same price.

 

[SPBHM]

I wouldn't worry much about upgrades keeping the same MB, that's why the cheapest board as possible is a good thing, the i5 is going to last longer than this i3 as a viable gaming CPU, enough that when you need to replace the i5, there is probably going to be something newer than 1150 out,

as for sata III and USB 3.0, it's only necessary if you have devices that really need them, a fast (over 20-30MB/s) USB 3.0 storage device, or a new SSD (and using SSDs on sata II will look poor on benchmarks, but for regular usage shouldn't feel that different, if he is buying the SSD righ now, sure, go with a sata III board I guess, but if he is thinking of maybe buying an SSD a year from now, I don't think is reason enough to give away CPU performance)

this is about gaming, the i3 4130 is not in the same level as the 3450 or any sandy bridge or newer QC i5 for some games, from what I've seen on games like Watchdogs the i5 should be easily 40% faster than the 4130, and thats on a critical range of 20-30-40 FPS,

 

[AtenRa]

I wouldn't worry much about upgrades keeping the same MB, that's why the cheapest board as possible is a good thing, the i5 is going to last longer than this i3 as a viable gaming CPU, enough that when you need to replace the i5, there is probably going to be something newer than 1150 out,

as for sata III and USB 3.0, it's only necessary if you have devices that really need them, a fast (over 20-30MB/s) USB 3.0 storage device, or a new SSD (and using SSDs on sata II will look poor on benchmarks, but for regular usage shouldn't feel that different, if he is buying the SSD righ now, sure, go with a sata III board I guess, but if he is thinking of maybe buying an SSD a year from now, I don't think is reason enough to give away CPU performance)

this is about gaming, the i3 4130 is not in the same level as the 3450 or any sandy bridge or newer QC i5 for some games, from what I've seen on games like Watchdogs the i5 should be easily 40% faster than the 4130, and thats on a critical range of 20-30-40 FPS,

Where did you see 40% difference between core i3 Haswell and Core i5 Ivy in Watchdogs ??

 

[SPBHM]

Where did you see 40% difference between core i3 Haswell and Core i5 Ivy in Watchdogs ??

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2014/05/watch_dogs/charts/wd_cpu_r.png

2500k
30/40

i3 4150
21/33

4130 have slightly lower clock, 3450 have lower clock compared to the 2500 but higher IPC, should give a good indication,

if you can go from min around 20 to around 30 it's a huge win.

 

[AtenRa]

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2014/05/watch_dogs/charts/wd_cpu_r.png

2500k
30/40

i3 4150
21/33

4130 have slightly lower clock, 3450 have lower clock compared to the 2500 but higher IPC, should give a good indication,

if you can go from min around 20 to around 30 it's a huge win.

With the GTX-780ti the difference is smaller

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2014/05/watch_dogs/charts/wd_cpu_gf.png

2500k
31/40,9

i3 4150
26/33,8

26 vs 31 = ~16% slower or ~19% faster
33,8 vs 40,9 = ~17% slower or ~21% faster

And again, he will be GPU limited than CPU limited with R7 270X or GTX-660ti etc in Watchdogs.

Also, i really dont understand why people dismiss a CPU upgrade on the same motherboard. We have socketed CPUs after all, you can easily upgrade the CPU as you would the GPU. You only need to remove the CPU Cooler and then re-install it, we did CPU upgrades in the past and we can now. Nothing change since the old times, it is the same procedure

edit: Older games will run almost the same or faster with the Haswell Core i3

http://pclab.pl/art54006.html

So again, i would prefer to go with a newer and better Motherboard with more features + Haswell Core i3 than older Entry Ivy Core i5 + H61.

 

[SPBHM]

it still is a significant difference, and if he is trying to save money is more likely that he is going to buy an AMD VGA I think.

Watch Dogs is very easily CPU limited even with $100 VGA and adequate settings, you are not going to use the same settings for a slower card, GPU dependency is going to be much lower.


platforms are not lasting as much as they did in the past, that's the reason, cheap MB + more frequent MB upgrade looks the natural way to go, example Fm2 boards are now useless for Kaveri, 1155 lasted 2 years, 1150 is already 1 year old.

this is about gaming, the i5 is going to deliver a real advantage on many gaming situations, a newer socket or sata III is not.
the games more dependent on 2 threads can be faster on the i3, but the difference is always going to be small, while in games like Watch Dogs the difference is very significant,

so again, the i5 3450 is going to maximize your performance per $ for gaming (from the options available on that website) and would be my choice alongside a cheap MB

other games are showing a big advantage for basically "any i5" over "any i3"

min around 35 to around 50... pretty big difference.

 

[AtenRa]

You will run out of benchmarks that show that big difference (with High-End GPUs) in 3-5 games. I could show you more than 10-20 games where the difference with a mid-End GPU is very close if not faster with the Haswell Core i3.

Also, with the ASUS B85M-G he can upgrade to Core i7 4790K (4GHz base) in 2-3 years, that CPU will last him for a century

Any way, i have a different way of looking things than you. I prefer to sacrifice a little performance for better/more features and an upgrade ability path.

 

[SPBHM]

You will run out of benchmarks that show that big difference (with High-End GPUs) in 3-5 games. I could show you more than 10-20 games where the difference with a mid-End GPU is very close if not faster with the Haswell Core i3.

Also, with the ASUS B85M-G he can upgrade to Core i7 4790K (4GHz base) in 2-3 years, that CPU will last him for a century

Any way, i have a different way of looking things than you. I prefer to sacrifice a little performance for better/more features and an upgrade ability path.

I think the 3450 will have less need of an upgrade in 2 years, once Haswell is old news, I don't know, buying a 4790K is probably not going to be easy and cheap enough to justify it over the newer stuff.

both games I showed are new "next gen" triple AAA titles, and with a performance difference easy to notice on the sub 60fps range.

the link you posted with the i5 3350p and i3 4130 is clear, the i5 normally have the advantage on most titles, even if a small advantage (and I'm convinced that if you extended the tests to analyze frame times the i5 would be delivering a better result), while with some games like Watch Dogs and the new Wolfenstein the i5 have a clear advantage,

you don't need a fast VGA to be CPU bound with games like Watch Dogs, if you are aiming for 30fps+ most of the time an i3 would be a serious problem when you are driving around with decent LOD settings, while a VGA like let's say the R7 265 would handle the game well at this framerate and situation, if you don't go crazy with some of the other settings....

so yes, when you are trying to save money while building a gaming PC, I'm always looking more at saving money with things like the motherboard, not CPU+VGA.

 

[AtenRa]

Going with slower GPU you became less CPU bound because you are disabling or lowering IQ features that stressing the CPU. You also getting more GPU limited and that makes the performance difference between the CPUs less important.

 

[SPBHM]

Going with slower GPU you became less CPU bound because you are disabling or lowering IQ features that stressing the CPU. You also getting more GPU limited and that makes the performance difference between the CPUs less important.

most settings you can change in games have a huge GPU load effect, but not CPU

you are certainly GPU limited if you keep the high end GPU settings, but that's not normally what people do with slower cards, I'm playing Watch Dogs with a slow CPU and GPU, and the CPU is a far bigger problem here.

 

[Revolution]

Thanks for ur comments guys!

When ever I upgrade I upgrade CPU+Mobo+GPU cos after 4-5 years a system become almost totally outdated.
Can anyone explain the truth about heating(no OC with default cooler,room temp near 40C) and power consumption of FX-6300 compare to Intel Core i3-4130 ?

BTW,forget to tell that I also have an old XFX 9600GT(no external power adapter) from my bro.
Will it be any useful for Physx ?
Or this will only waste power.

 

[2is]

most settings you can change in games have a huge GPU load effect, but not CPU

you are certainly GPU limited if you keep the high end GPU settings, but that's not normally what people do with slower cards, I'm playing Watch Dogs with a slow CPU and GPU, and the CPU is a far bigger problem here.

Yep, this is why I always stress the CPU being just as, if not more important than the GPU when people are looking for a budget build. You can get good performance with any half way decent GPU in any game by adjusting certain settings. If however you don't have a powerful enough CPU, there's very little you can do to alleviate the load.

 

[crashtech]

Yep, this is why I always stress the CPU being just as, if not more important than the GPU when people are looking for a budget build. You can get good performance with any half way decent GPU in any game by adjusting certain settings. If however you don't have a powerful enough CPU, there's very little you can do to alleviate the load.

Can you quantify "just as, if not more important?" Because if you mean spending more on the CPU than the GPU, you are not correct.