Is G3220 good for gaming?

[2is]

And that is because what ??? you have a BGA CPU ?? It only takes one or two minutes to replace the CPU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf5La099urI




So, in order to play games on the PC you have to buy a Core i5 + $200-300 GPUs and up ??? Are you kidding me ??

I can show you countless games where a Core i3 + $150-200 GPU can be very satisfactory for gaming. How many games can you show me that a Core i3 + R9 280 cannot game at high IQ settings ??

In regards to the first part of your post, SPBMH laid this out for you quite clearly earlier in this thread.

In regards to the second part of your thread..

If anyone reading is ok with buying a brand new setup and knowing there WILL be games that already exist where your recommendation will not allow for playable performance, but will allow for slightly higher IQ in other games that it can run well, then by all means, they should take your advise.

If however people are looking into building a system that will not have any issues whatsoever getting good performance in any game they choose to play, but may have to reduce IQ slightly in more GPU demanding games, they should avoid your advise.

No one is saying there isn't a lot of games that an i3 and mid range GPU won't run well. Though I'm not surprised you're going off topic, you tend to do that when the actual argument you started with starts getting picked apart, then you bring up something else no one ever actually refuted and pretend it's what you've been trying to say all along.

 

[frozentundra123456]

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that said if you dont have enough money to buy BOTH a good cpu and decent gpu then perhaps pc gaming should be the least of your priorities.

Exactly. I think I said this earlier, but the quibbling over saving 50.00 over an i3 vs i5 seems like a pretty pointless argument for the vast majority of cases. PC gaming is an inherently expensive hobby, with internet, the cost of the PC, buying games, etc.

And the 50.00 or slightly more for an i5 vs the i3 is what, the cost of dinner for two for a night out, or a tank of gas, or 1/2 of a month's cell phone bill, or even could be saved by waiting for sales on a couple of games vs buying them at full price? Even then, that 50.00 cost will be spread out over the life of the system, maybe 3 years or more. Just seems like false economy to take the risk of sacrificing future performance to save a minimal cost in the present.

To me, an i5 should be the basis of a gaming rig these days. Go with the cpu and platform and get the best gpu you can fit in. To me the real debate is becoming i5 vs i7, which is still less clear because the price difference is greater and the performance benefit less clear overall.

 

[TreVader]

There is nothing wrong with dual core for gaming. An i3 plus a 290 is a far better system than the Z87 4790K system that uses a 750ti and costs the same.



A lot of FUD about micro stutter on dual core.

 

[toyota]

And that is because what ??? you have a BGA CPU ?? It only takes one or two minutes to replace the CPU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf5La099urI




So, in order to play games on the PC you have to buy a Core i5 + $200-300 GPUs and up ??? Are you kidding me ??

I can show you countless games where a Core i3 + $150-200 GPU can be very satisfactory for gaming. How many games can you show me that a Core i3 + R9 280 cannot game at high IQ settings ??

only one or two minutes to change the cpu? that right there invalidates anything else you have to say.

 

[AtenRa]

No one is saying there isn't a lot of games that an i3 and mid range GPU won't run well. Though I'm not surprised you're going off topic, you tend to do that when the actual argument you started with starts getting picked apart, then you bring up something else no one ever actually refuted and pretend it's what you've been trying to say all along.

Im debating with SPBHM about that for the past few pages, im sure you didnt even bother to read them.

Anyway, without benchmarks there is no point to continue.

 

[2is]

Im debating with SPBHM about that for the past few pages, im sure you didnt even bother to read them.

Anyway, without benchmarks there is no point to continue.

Benchmarks have been posted. The benchmarks you're requesting is you trying to prove a point that isn't being argued because you lost the point that was being argued.

Like I said... you tend to do that when the actual argument you started with starts getting picked apart, then you bring up something else no one ever actually refuted and pretend it's what you've been trying to say all along.

 

[AtenRa]

Benchmarks have been posted. The benchmarks you're requesting is you trying to prove a point that isn't being argued because you lost the point that was being argued.

Like I said... you tend to do that when the actual argument you started with starts getting picked apart, then you bring up something else no one ever actually refuted and pretend it's what you've been trying to say all along.

Conversations are evolving, Im debating about a slower CPU(Core i3) paired with high-end GPU from post 120 onwards, you clearly have missed the last few pages on that debate or deliberately ignored them.

 

[crashtech]

Basically with these guys, it's i5+ or go home, but if there is not an unlimited budget this might not be practical. And to say someone with limited funds has no business building a gaming PC, well, if you don't understand what's wrong with thinking that way I can't help you. As far as I'm concerned there should be room for everyone in this hobby, they don't have to be professionals pulling it six figure salaries.

 

[2is]

Conversations are evolving, Im debating about a slower CPU(Core i3) paired with high-end GPU from post 120 onwards, you clearly have missed the last few pages on that debate or deliberately ignored them.

There's a chart showing you just that to which you attempted to change "evolve" the subject yet again.

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2014/05/watch_dogs/charts/wd_cpu_r.png

That's at least the 3rd time it's been posted, there's another one in this thread with a 780 with similar differences between CPUs for this game.

Basically with these guys, it's i5+ or go home, but if there is not an unlimited budget this might not be practical. And to say someone with limited funds has no business building a gaming PC, well, if you don't understand what's wrong with thinking that way I can't help you. As far as I'm concerned there should be room for everyone in this hobby, they don't have to be professionals pulling it six figure salaries.

The difference between an i5 and an i3 is $100... Hardly the difference between a 5 and 6 figure income. You were unable to deduce performance variables based on the numbers from the charts posted earlier, to which I said all one needs is to know how to count to see the difference. Now this gem of a post from you... I'm starting to think numbers are a problem here.

 

[crashtech]

But there are still no results showing a low-end i5 paired with a midrange GPU doing any better, so there is no valid refutation being made.

 

[2is]

But there are still no results showing a low-end i5 paired with a midrange GPU doing any better, so there is no valid refutation being made.

We've been over this, about 5 times with at least 3 or 4 different people explaining it and we've all failed to explain it in terms you'll understand. I'm not sure anything more can be done here.

 

[AtenRa]

There's a chart showing you just that to which you attempted to change "evolve" the subject yet again.

http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/chaostheory/2014/05/watch_dogs/charts/wd_cpu_r.png

That's at least the 3rd time it's been posted, there's another one in this thread with a 780 with similar differences between CPUs for this game.

Ok, now link to a graph with entry Core i5 and mid-end graphics card(R7 270) to compare against that Core i3 and R9 290X you just quoted. Same settings

Still waiting, the debate is Core i3 + High-End GPU against Core i5 + Mid-End GPU. Lets see the benchmarks, dont extrapolate, present us the numbers.

 

[crashtech]

We've been over this, about 5 times with at least 3 or 4 different people explaining it and we've all failed to explain it in terms you'll understand. I'm not sure anything more can be done here.

And you still resort to personal language when what is required is proof, not "explanations."

 

[2is]

And you still resort to personal language when what is required is proof, not "explanations."

What's personal? I said we've failed to explain it in terms you'll understand. (I didn't even blame the failure on you)

We've explained it, you're still asking the same questions.

That isn't a personal attack, it's the reality of this discussion.

Extrapolation is not an invalid form of data gathering. Look it up, it's used all the time in the scientific community as well as other fields. It takes a certain amount of logic to understand it, and given the data we DO have and the topic we are discussing, a certain amount of extrapolation is necessary. Several of us in this thread "get it" a couple of us don't, and that's just the way it is.

 

[Enigmoid]

There is nothing wrong with dual core for gaming. An i3 plus a 290 is a far better system than the Z87 4790K system that uses a 750ti and costs the same.

A lot of FUD about micro stutter on dual core.

750 Ti is rather overpriced IMO. If you are going to make an argument you have to keep it real and stop exaggerating.

PC partpicker

i3-4130 - $115
i5-4670k - $234

Price difference = $120

But there are also locked i5's.
i5-4430 - $175

Price difference $60.

Basically for a locked i5 vs i3 the difference is one GPU tier. This late in the product refresh cycle its rather silly to spend money on a GPU.

According to PCpartpicker the difference between the cheapest 280x ($255) and 290 ($382) is $127. A locked i5 + 280X would therefore be cheaper than an i3 and 290. An unlocked i5 would be about the same price though it would come out to more due to the cooler and mobo if overclocking. It goes without question that that is too much GPU for an i3 so lets drop down a tier.

260X - $90
270 - $130
270X- $155
280 - $224

At the mid/upper end $70 is about the difference between a 270X and a 280. Thats not a terribly big difference and an easy trade off. Moving down cheaper it becomes immediately evident that you should trade off CPU performance for a better GPU, a 270X is much better than a 260X for $65 more.

IMO if you are buying anything more than a 270X it may be worthwhile to look at an i5. More budget systems should definitely go with a stronger GPU.

Still waiting, the debate is Core i3 + High-End GPU against Core i5 + Mid-End GPU. Lets see the benchmarks, dont extrapolate, present us the numbers.

If you only get 35 fps on the i3 in a game from a CPU benchmark, then its not going to do better elsewhere. As for real budget systems, your own data indicates that a G3220 is insufficient for Thief and other games. Not sure how long until an i3 goes that way.

Its really hard to find specific benchmarks like that but

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-wolfdale-yorkfield-comparison,3487-20.html

Thats using a 7970 non ghz and an number of the the tests are gpu bound below 60. 31% faster on average.

You can clearly see that an i3 is never going to get you 60 fps in Hitman.

Ultra doesn't really help (shadows CPU intensive).

 

[crashtech]

Extrapolation is not an invalid form of data gathering. Look it up, it's used all the time in the scientific community as well as other fields. It takes a certain amount of logic to understand it, and given the data we DO have and the topic we are discussing, a certain amount of extrapolation is necessary. Several of us in this thread "get it" a couple of us don't, and that's just the way it is.

Extrapolation can be a useful way to develop hypotheses, but it is by no means probative. And appeals to authority do not a valid argument make. Truth is not created by consensus. If you can't provide direct evidence of your claims, they are no better than anyone else's here.

 

[2is]

Extrapolation can be a useful way to develop hypotheses, but it is by no means probative. And appeals to authority do not a valid argument make. Truth is not created by consensus. If you can't provide direct evidence of your claims, they are no better than anyone else's here.

You are of course free to go on with your thinking of "you can't provide me the exact data points I'm requesting therefore I'm right" mentality.

Deduction is not your strong suit. A couple posts ago you deduced that you needed a 6 figure income to move from an i3 to an i5. Earlier you deduced that we were advocating the use of the IGP.

The data is there. I understand it, you don't. Period.

 

[crashtech]

You are of course free to go on with your thinking of "you can't provide me the exact data points I'm requesting therefore I'm right" mentality.

Deduction is not your strong suit. A couple posts ago you deduced that you needed a 6 figure income to move from an i3 to an i5. Earlier you deduced that we were advocating the use of the IGP.

The data is there. I understand it, you don't. Period.

You seem more expert at twisting words than you are at providing evidence of your assertions. It should be obvious to anyone that I was engaging in hyperbole to make a point about those like toyota who dismissively and falsely state that those who can't meet his arbitrary barriers to entry have no place in this hobby. But it could be that you didn't understand that. I hope I have made it more clear now.

 

[AtenRa]

Moving down cheaper it becomes immediately evident that you should trade off CPU performance for a better GPU, a 270X is much better than a 260X for $65 more.

That is what im trying to communicate, nobody here ever said that Core i5 is not better than Core i3. But if you are on a low budget you better spend more for the GPU than the CPU.

Also i dont really understand why people fear upgrading their CPUs. If you have a 1155 platform with a dual core, you can find today new or used Core i5 or Core i7 that can keep you going for a couple more years. I dont see why all that fuss about CPU upgrading.

As for the Pentium G3220, i have said in the beginning of the topic that it will be able to play most of the games but it will strangle in some of the newer games like Thief and Watch Dogs among others. Obviously if you want to play BF-4 MP or Thief or WD the G3220 is not recommended and thats where the Core i3 comes.

A Haswell core i3 + R9 280 has more graphics power than both the PS4 and XBone. So you can have a PC to do everything you want plus a very nice system for high quality gaming.

 

[Revolution]

So,finally G3220 is not for for gaming ?
Even new G3420 not good either.
More core is the future of PC gaming.

 

[crashtech]

So,finally G3220 is not for for gaming ?
Even new G3420 not good either.
More core is the future of PC gaming.

The benchmark results are pretty clear, even though some people seem excited about the overclockable Pentium, at stock speeds it just gets crushed:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2387689

A CPU with four thread capability is needed as a minimum for an acceptable experience in modern games.

 

[Revolution]

One thing is clear for me that Intel G Series CPU will not do well with future PC games.
Even if I increase my budget a little I'm still confused between AMD and Intel.
Actually confused between AMD FX-6300 & Intel i3 4150.

Both price almost same here.
FX-6300 @Rs.7200/- + Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2PT @Rs3300 =11500/-
i3 4150 @Rs.7500/- + Gigabyte GA-H81M-S1 @Rs.3000 =11500/-

My rest of the spec will be like :
2GB 750Ti GPU
8GB DDR3 1600/1333MHz RAM
500GB SATA HDD
Dell 1080P LCD
Corsair 450W PSU

Now,the following note may be crucial to make proper decision.
1.I will not OC.
2.I will not buy any after market cooler.
3.Room temp is near 35C at summer(no AC).
4.PC will be use mainly for gaming(80%) expect 20% other things like CAD,browsing etc.
5.In early 2015 there will new games like Witcher 3,Star Citizen,Batman etc(no idea about system retirement).

So,should I wait little or chose between one the above CPU now ?
My current rig can't handle any modern games.
I have very ld Intel C2D 2.2GHz + AMD HD 5670 + 4GB DDR2 800MHz RAM.