Is global warming for real?

[IGBT]

Enviro-waco BS designed to grift average thinking people. Global warming is as natural as rain. Been going on since the end of the ice age. Enviro-waco grifters are trying to convince you, humans are responsible for or are excellerating the warming effect. Be advised they have all kinds of psudo science BS to support their grift.

 

[Eli]

<< If the atmosphere were getting too much CO2, then wouldn't more trees and plant life grow to stablize/use the excessive amounts of CO2 levels? Equilibrium.... >>



No. Plants don't work like that.

That's the problem.

Not only are we putting CO2 into the atmosphere, we're cutting down the forests and destroying habitat.

Mother Earth is losing to Man on all fronts.

The only thing she's got is earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters... lol

We have chainsaws and asphalt.. And we breed like mice..


<< Enviro-waco BS designed to grift average thinking people. Global warming is as natural as rain. Been going on since the end of the ice age. Enviro-waco grifters are trying to convince you, humans are responsible for or are excellerating the warming effect. Be advised they have all kinds of psudo science BS to support their grift. >>



Whatever. Are you blind? Do you really think it's okay to do what we're doing to our home?

This is the place we live, people. We don't exactly have many other choices right now.

How much longer do you think the collapse of the food chain can go on before it starts to catch up with us? ...

I'm not saying we would ever starve. But it would be a sad world if we and whatever we deem worthy, are the only things living here.

I'm not some weird wacko environmental extremist, but I'm definately not blind either. I'm not saying we need to change the world overnight. But the first step is acknowledging that there is a problem. There certainly is a problem.

 

[ttn1]

I agree with most global warming people on one thing, we should do more to reduce emissions and waste.

That being said, I believe most of the global warming stuff to be psuedo-science at best. Anyone with a
little bit of statistics knowledge can see this. Alot of the conclusions drawn are just ludicrous considering
the amount of data available.

Now for some hard "business-like" truth. "We" will reduce emissions and waste, when it is economically
feasible to do so. When recycling landfill waste is more cost effective than refining new raw material, it
will get done. When gas costs $15/gallon there will be alternative fuel cars in abundance. The bottom
line is that most of these issues will be driven by money and availability of natural resources.

 

[PhoKing]

Haven't you people been keeping up with the news? Both polar caps have been melting at an alarming rate lately. Antartica had an iceberg the size of Delaware break off. Look it up, global warming exists.

 

[IGBT]

If you dig down into the Alaskan tundra, you'll find remnant remains of palm trees. That area was a tropical region at one time. Things change weather we like it or not, responsible for it or not. Change is the only constant.

 

[Elledan]

<< The debate is whether the earth is warming due to natural processes, or because of us. Not if it is warming. >>


Exactly.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< The debate is whether the earth is warming due to natural processes, or because of us. Not if it is warming. >>


Exactly. >>



I'm not a fan of a recent story about a chunk of ice the Size of Deleware breaking off in Antiartica and melting at a rapid pace.

Are humans responsible for it? Highly doubtful considering what natural disasters (especially volcanos) can stir up by themselves.

What alarms me more is the water supply. I think there we not only have a direct effect but a seriously negative one.

 

[CStroman]

We could cool the planet off a bit by resuming atmospheric nuclear tests. We could just blow some more radioactive dust into the stratosphere to block the sunlight.

 

[Draco]

<< Is global warming for real or what? In theory, it's certainly obvious that if enough greenhouse gases were dumped into the air, we'd get global warming. On the other hand, I've heard some people saying that there isn't any proof. What's the deal? Is global warming happening?

Should I start selling coastal real estate futures? >>



I hope it's real, because it's March 25th and there is freaking snow on the ground here in Chicago. Temp = 30 degrees. Great Spring weather we're having.

 

[Jfrag Teh Foul]

I think it exists... but I also think that it is a natural part of the earth's cycles. I remember when the whole "death to R-12 freon" was going on and reading that one decent sized volcanic blast destroys more Ozone than all of the cars in all of the world ever produced. So in that light, nature is doing more harm than we are... so I tend to think that we are merely witness to global warming on a natural scale more so than the cause of it.

Now, with that being said, I do think that we should do our part in keeping up the planet as best we can (we are the rulers of the planet, such as it is). I mean, this is the only planet we have, so we may as well keep it from becoming a rat's nest.

 

[killface]

Real. We are directly responsible for putting a big-ass hole in the ozone layer over antartica and the thinning of the ozone layer over Australia.

 

[ndee]

On the south-pole, an iceberg of 6x the size of Switzerland broke away, and you Americans still think that's not real?

 

[BlueApple]

Of course not!!

 

[IGBT]

If you realy think the problem is humans, then do something about the exponential growth of the human population. Because population excess will negate all conservation efforts. You don't have to have kids to validate your existence!!

 

[Ultima]

<< If the atmosphere were getting too much CO2, then wouldn't more trees and plant life grow to stablize/use the excessive amounts of CO2 levels? Equilibrium....

Some people say that the world is getting warmer thus causing the polar ice caps to melt which will soon cause flooding of coast lines. However doesn't warmer temperature equate into more water being evaporated? Where does it rain/snow the most (i.e. where is all this water going)? >>



Evaporating water causing more heat to be held in thus evaporating more water... at a certain point its a runaway effect. I wonder if that's what happened to Venus

 

[Ronstang]

<< Not only are we putting CO2 into the atmosphere, we're cutting down the forests and destroying habitat >>



The only problem with that argument is that the level of forestation in the world has never been higher than now. Man cuts down trees, but these days reclamation projects buy the lumber companies plant more than ever. The development of infrastructure also creates natural fire breaks which saves thousands and thousands of acres of foliage evey year. My ex's dad is head of the Forestry department at Texas A&M and we have been over this topic many times and according to well documented research modern man has actually increasedthe amount of forestation worldwide. Although most of this increase has been incidental rather than intentional it still blows a lot of the enviro-whacko's theories right out of the water.

 

[zephyrprime]

<< I wonder if that's what happened to Venus >>



I don't believe so. Venus has a super greenhouse effect going on but I believe that it is generally believed that it's always been like this just because of the chance composition of it's atmosphere.

 

[zephyrprime]

<< The only problem with that argument is that the level of forestation in the world has never been higher than now >>


And isn't farming more metabolically intensive on a per acre basis than random forests and prairie? Also keep in mind that deforestation isn't a new phenomena. China and Europe used to be heavily forested but centuries of wood cutting has eliminated most of the forests.

 

[Pocatello]

During the Triasic and Jurasic period, the earth was a lot warmer than it is today. Human wasn't the blame for that, I hope .

 

[zephyrprime]

I went to a few websites and here is some info:

CO2 in air: about 0.3%
Change in CO2 in air since ~1958-1993: ~13% link
Change in surface temperature of earth in last century: ~1 degree F or ~half degree celcius
Size of ice shelf that just fell of antartica is not bigger than Switzerland. It's about 800 square km.
Sites seem to say that sea level has risin about 4-8 inches in the last century. <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/sealevel010717.html">linky</a>
But research seems to show that sea levels have fluactuated radically in the past. ancient sea levels

 

[mk]

I find it curious that in these discussions people always seem to forget the fact that the sun is causing the warming, not the greenhouse gases. The gases are only keeping a larger part of the energy from reflecting back to space.
A small increase (or decrease) in solar radiation is surely going to have a larger effect on the climate than a "few" million extra tonnes of pollution in the atmosphere.

 

[etech]

killface


?Real. We are directly responsible for putting a big-ass hole in the ozone layer over antartica and the thinning of the ozone layer over Australia. ?

That?s nice, the two issues of global warming and ozone depletion are unrelated but still it?s a nice observation. Try doing some research on the subject before you get so definitive in your answers.


Ultima

?Evaporating water causing more heat to be held in thus evaporating more water... at a certain point its a runaway effect. I wonder if that's what happened to Venus?

Definite maybe.

nasa.gov
"Clouds are known to have an affect on overall climate. Some clouds act to lower the overall temperature, some raise the temperature. However there is much about cloud systems that are not known. The role of clouds has now become a top research priority for atmospheric scientists.
Two particular types of clouds are a real mystery. One type are marine stratocumulus clouds, which lie over oceans at low altitudes. The other type are cirrus clouds, which are high-flying clouds. Both types of clouds are difficult to study because of altitude and location, solittle is known about them. But the importance of these clouds is known to be great. Scientists believe that a 4% increase in marine stratocumulus clouds would cool the atmosphere enough to totally negate the impact of global warming. These scientists also believe that a 4% increase in cirrus clouds would enhance global warming. This is illustrated in the picture above. The problem is no one can predict with any certainty the behavior of these clouds. Will there be more cirrus? Less? What about the marine stratocumulus? We don't know. That is why FIRE focuses on these two systems. "


There are limited resources to deal with any problem. Let's try and use the best information to be sure we are dealing with the problems in the best way.

 

[thomsbrain]

<< Enviro-waco BS designed to grift average thinking people. Global warming is as natural as rain. Been going on since the end of the ice age. Enviro-waco grifters are trying to convince you, humans are responsible for or are excellerating the warming effect. Be advised they have all kinds of psudo science BS to support their grift. >>



Uh, no that's the creation theory.
i bet you think homosexuality is a learned behavior, too.

 

[Ultima]

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<< Enviro-waco BS designed to grift average thinking people. Global warming is as natural as rain. Been going on since the end of the ice age. Enviro-waco grifters are trying to convince you, humans are responsible for or are excellerating the warming effect. Be advised they have all kinds of psudo science BS to support their grift. >>



Uh, no that's the creation theory.
i bet you think homosexuality is a learned behavior, too.

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It can be, and it can be defective genes, too. At least back in hunter/gatherer days being gay was being defective, since you wouldn't pass on any kids.

 

[Texmaster]

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<< Enviro-waco BS designed to grift average thinking people. Global warming is as natural as rain. Been going on since the end of the ice age. Enviro-waco grifters are trying to convince you, humans are responsible for or are excellerating the warming effect. Be advised they have all kinds of psudo science BS to support their grift. >>



Uh, no that's the creation theory.
i bet you think homosexuality is a learned behavior, too.

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It is.