Is global warming for real?

[K1052]

Here's some food for thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RuverrEZ4

That's not food, it's rat poison mixed with peanut butter.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Here's some food for thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RuverrEZ4

Little tip for you. When someone spoon feeds you from a bowl of shit, that doesn't make it food.

 

[boomerang]

Dispute the information presented gentlemen. That's how you make a counterargument.

 

[K1052]

Dispute the information presented gentlemen. That's how you make a counterargument.

The video is made up of the same bad claims and cherry picked data that has infested basically every climate change thread here going back years. I don't need to pay much attention to a conservative blogger with no science background regurgitating it to me via budget level production value. Feel free to pluck out any relevant bits and post your understanding of them and I'm sure you'll get responses.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Dispute the information presented gentlemen. That's how you make a counterargument.

There's no point, because you wouldn't listen to the data anyhow. If you believe climate change/global warming to be false, or not heavily influenced by human interaction at this point, you never will. You will remain a vocal minority of ignorant humans, alongside flat-earthers, fake-moon-landing supporters, and lizard-people-government believers.

 

[Paratus]

Dispute the information presented gentlemen. That's how you make a counterargument.

Milankovitch Cycles and how they influence the climate over 10-100K years

Overview of the Math and Science behind the Climate
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience.html

To understand if we are warming you need and energy balance:

Sun light comes in:

(Note the solar cycle (energy)is lower than previous decades)

Warms the Air and Ocean:

(Equivalent energy to 1/2 the Chixulub asteroid impact)


Note how the ocean and air temperatures all continued to rise at increasing rates even though the sun was much more quiescent.

We know what the gasses in the atmosphere do:

(Hint it's mostly the CO2)

That warming and piddly little rise in sea level is now causing tidal flooding of Florida and low lying islands:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/article107959967.html
(Mitigation $0.5 Billion)

So maybe rely on actual climate scientists instead of random you tubers.

 

[futurefields]

Climate change is real but the powers that be are using this (natural) phenomenon as a means to institute new taxations and systems of social control imo

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Climate change is real but the powers that be are using this (natural) phenomenon as a means to institute new taxations and systems of social control imo

You would be incorrect about the 'natural' part of your assessment. The release of previously sequestered CO2 through the burning of fossil fuels is the primary driver for rapid increasing of climate temperatures over the last 100-150 years.

There's always someone who will attempt to capitalize on a crisis, but make no mistake, this isn't normal or natural.

 

[Paratus]

Climate change is real but the powers that be are using this (natural) phenomenon as a means to institute new taxations and systems of social control imo

Warming is the natural result of us adding CO2 to the system. If you think the CO2 is from natural sources you'll need to address where it's coming from, why the change in radioisotopes of carbon match an increasing amount of old buried carbon being burned, and how this natural source overwhelms our contribution but only equals the effect we've measured.

I'll wait.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Is it warmer than it was 100 years ago? Yes.

How much are we contributing to it? Nobody really has any freaking idea. The Earth has been going through heating and cooling cycles every single day of its existence and without them we wouldn't be here.

Is it really a bad thing? Other than a few people that live on islands 2" above sea level, nobody has any freaking idea. Life on Earth generally does better when its warmer than average and suffers when its cooler.

Could we change it even if we wanted to? Probably not. Only going to happen if almost 100% of the world unites and that isn't going to happen.

Should we change it even if we could? Nobody has any freaking idea. It could be holding off an ice age for all we know and attempting to dick with it could kill off the entire planet

Are hucksters playing it up to make themselves rich and push an anti-business agenda? Emphatically yes.

 

[K1052]

Are hucksters playing it up to make themselves rich and push an anti-business agenda? Emphatically yes.

What "hucksters" stand to get rich from this, exactly? Investment in clean energy is actually super pro-business.

 

[Raizinman]

Grandpa was in the room listening to us debating the global warming issue. He said this problem was around when he was a youth too. He said the changes are called the SEASONS. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[futurefields]

The temperature is always changing

Earth goes through cooling and heating cycles naturally

 

[ElFenix]

The video is made up of the same bad claims and cherry picked data that has infested basically every climate change thread here going back years. I don't need to pay much attention to a conservative blogger with no science background regurgitating it to me via budget level production value. Feel free to pluck out any relevant bits and post your understanding of them and I'm sure you'll get responses.

this is the climate change thread going back years (15, actually). i think this thread predates p&n. keep it mostly apolitical and we can keep it here.

 

[K1052]

The temperature is always changing

Earth goes through cooling and heating cycles naturally

This fact does not rule out human influence on climate, which at this point has been extensively proven.

 

[K1052]

this is the climate change thread going back years (15, actually). i think this thread predates p&n. keep it mostly apolitical and we can keep it here.

True, I didn't bother to look at the date of the OP.

 

[Thebobo]

Grandpa was in the room listening to us debating the global warming issue. He said this problem was around when he was a youth too. He said the changes are called the SEASONS. Nothing more and nothing less.

Uh and I use to walk to school naked backwards uphill 50 miles in the winter carrying my 400 pound sister. \

Your grandpa should of watched this

the full hour long version is on youtube as well.

 

[Ken g6]

Regarding temperature changes over millennia, check out this graph:

https://xkcd.com/1732/

Particularly look at the slope at the end. If climate changes 1 degree over a millennium, trees that take decades to grow, for instance, can march over the landscape into better climates, dying out where they can't grow anymore. If climate changes 1 degree over a few decades, trees just die out.

 

[Paratus]

Is it warmer than it was 100 years ago? Yes.

How much are we contributing to it? Nobody really has any freaking idea. The Earth has been going through heating and cooling cycles every single day of its existence and without them we wouldn't be here.

Is it really a bad thing? Other than a few people that live on islands 2" above sea level, nobody has any freaking idea. Life on Earth generally does better when its warmer than average and suffers when its cooler.

Could we change it even if we wanted to? Probably not. Only going to happen if almost 100% of the world unites and that isn't going to happen.

Should we change it even if we could? Nobody has any freaking idea. It could be holding off an ice age for all we know and attempting to dick with it could kill off the entire planet

Are hucksters playing it up to make themselves rich and push an anti-business agenda? Emphatically yes.

Yes we do know.
Virtually all warming since the 50's is man made.

Natural forcing should currently be neutral or slightly cooling.

It's a bad thing right now to places around the US like Inuit towns built on melting permafrost in Alaska

or

Miami Beach where residents have salt water bubble out of their lawns several times a year

And yes it's likely we've already pushed off the next ice age by 50,000 years

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v529/n7585/full/nature16494.html

So let's call it good enough and take our foot off the accelerator.

The temperature is always changing

Earth goes through cooling and heating cycles naturally

Yup and when we compare current day to natural cycles the rate the temperature is increasing is about 10 times faster than anytime in reconstructed history. So it's not natural.

However you are welcome to provide evidence that some natural phenomena is causing the warming while negating our measured effects on the climate.

I'll wait.

Uh and I use to walk to school naked backwards uphill 50 miles in the winter carrying my 400 pound sister. \

Your grandpa should of watched this

the full hour long version is on youtube as well.

My HS physics prof used to show these in class in the 90's.

 

[futurefields]

Keep parroting those Al Gore "facts" Paratus

Fact is millions of years ago Earth was too hot for people, and we werent even around then

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Keep parroting those Al Gore "facts" Paratus

Fact is millions of years ago Earth was too hot for people, and we werent even around then

Your attempt to discredit Paratus by appealing to the memories of a demagogue (interpretation depending) notwithstanding, his facts aren't wrong.

Not sure where to start with the rest of your statement, but I guess we'll go with this:
It was never 'too hot for people', unless you mean 'comfortably', since we exist in most climates that everything else exists in, barring the extreme .05% (primarily due to lack of water, or lack of food/other resources, see deserts both hot and cold). So that part's just wrong. Humans didn't exist at that time because they hadn't evolved yet. As for why it was hot, that probably depends on what your definition of 'millions of years ago' was, but I'll just lean on 'there was more co2 in the air at that point'. Now, much of it was sequestered into plant matter that got buried in the dirt, because there was a truly phenomenal amount of plant life millions of years ago. Much of that has now been re-released into the atmosphere via the burning of oil, and we're seeing the effects of it.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Dispute the information presented gentlemen. That's how you make a counterargument.

It's been done to death already and every time it's done the same people will ignore it and go on to repeat their falsehoods again.

Everyone who is actually not looking at the issue from a political or ideological standpoint will accept the data and the rest will never be swayed by reality no matter what.

 

[Paratus]

Keep parroting those Al Gore "facts" Paratus

Fact is millions of years ago Earth was too hot for people, and we werent even around then

I'll continue to post facts (no quotes), evidence and well supported scientific theories. Maybe ask yourself why you won't or can't do the same.

At any rate the reason it was warmer in the past was due to:

• Orbital variation
• Earths precession
• Solar output
• Albedo changes
• Atmospheric composition changes i.e. Increasing amount of greenhouse gasses.

Those factors are different now than they were then and part of the verification that shows the changes today are not natural.

Instead of CO2 lagging orbital and albedo changes that warm the planet releasing CO2 and methane, CO2 is leading the warming.

Try to not be a physics "skeptic".

• Thermodynamics
• Heat and Mass Transfer
• Astronomy
• Conservation of mass and energy
• Chemistry

Are all actually settled science.

 

[Zanovar]

I farted once and the whole world blew up.just sayin.

 

[luv2liv]

without looking at the facts, i can already tell climate change is real.
on one side, you have a bunch of scientists who claim climate change is real.
the other side, you have a bunch of lawyers representing big corps, without any science background, telling you climate change is false.

would you believe a stripper giving you advice about vaccines or doctors? believe it or not, people believed a stripper over doctors.