It doesn't have to be doom.OMG, We're DOOMED!
It's not really rocket science.
Go setup a green house and grow some plants.
Same effect.
The debate is whether the earth is warming due to natural processes, or because of us. Not if it is warming.
Even if it's not due to human activity, who cares?
It's not like all the crap we put into our atmosphere is a good thing.
You can't look at the planet today, compared to what it was like even a few hundred years ago and say that we haven't changed our planet. The climate system is chain like, just like the creature hierarchy...
You can't possibly think that basically clearing whole continents of foliage and wildlife hasn't had any effect on the balance the planet once held..
It's just too bad recorded history only goes back about 50 years. We're just going to have to see what happens, I guess. We still need to be proactive in the meantime though. :disgust:
Doesen't it alarm anybody that we have hundreds of millions.. even billions? I don't know.. There's a lot.. of these little pumps.. that suck in our oxygen.. use it to burn fuel.. and then spit out carbon dioxide, at best? :Q
I think they're called engines. lol...
Climate change is real but the powers that be are using this (natural) phenomenon as a means to institute new taxations and systems of social control imo
The PBS video I linked on the previous page explains exactly how ice ages occur.Personally, the only thing I raise an eye-brow to the debate on is simply what brings on an ice age? No one can answer this, which would effectively reset the entire landscape of global warming and would basically serve as a reset button so to speak.
Plus, I made a thread in P&N basically asking people - what would happen if we no longer depended on oil. We have ~20 wealthy countries that are 100% reliant upon oil, we would effectively have WW3 if the likes of Saudi Arabia were no longer able to sustain an economy. No one was able to answer how we would answer that other than bullshit answers like "They will adapt or die" dur hur.
There is so much oil, that's what most people don't realize.
People used to say we hit peak oil already, but we aren't even close. There is thousands and thousands and thousands of years of oil. Humanity will be long wiped out by asteroid impact, supervirus, famine, water shortage etc long before oil is even close to "running out"
It's all the plants in the ground, that's another thing people don't realize. They think oil is dinosaur bones. Oil is ALL of the foilage along with animals and everything else that has ever lived. It all spends long enough time in the ground it forms oil.
Millions and millions and millions of years of matter, all in the soil and extractable. You could say the Earth is practically turning into oil.
I doubt you'll get a reasonable answer. People like him prefer to listen to their pastor doling out bro-science.Warming is the natural result of us adding CO2 to the system. If you think the CO2 is from natural sources you'll need to address where it's coming from, why the change in radioisotopes of carbon match an increasing amount of old buried carbon being burned, and how this natural source overwhelms our contribution but only equals the effect we've measured.
I'll wait.
I've occasionally convinced someone, but in reality my response really aren't for the "skeptic", they are for anyone reading along whom might be on the fenceI doubt you'll get a reasonable answer. People like him prefer to listen to their pastor doling out bro-science.
Unfortunately this is more political than scientific. So trying to decide how much we have damaged the planet and how serious this actually is is very difficult to know. But whether its political or truly scientific its not like we shouldnt be trying to help the planet. All in all im not worried. Wait another 50 years and just see all the new technology that is available to have clean energy
I been wondering about weather models. It seems the weather forecasts aren't as accurate as in the past. I wonder if the model parameters are changing and they haven't nailed down the models to the new weather patterns.weather is as abnormal as it's ever been
People used to say we hit peak oil already, but we aren't even close.
Most people are probably in agreement with you, they're the silent majority though. The loud ones are on the soapbox screaming about mining the internet, or banning whoever, etc. Unfortunately when voting time rolls around, we only get to vote between 2-3 loud soapboxy asshats, so we get what we vote for. Anyhow, trying to keep this out of P&N, so yes, manmade climate change is a thing, apolitical, and it will bite everyone in the rear sooner rather than later (a generation or three).My problem with Americans is how politicized they are. It's as though a person can't just agree with a portion of *A* party's policies. It's like those US muppets just sign up with one side of politics and then just swallow/follow everthing they are told to.
For example I support both nuclear power and much stricter environmental controls. I also support strict border controls and internet privacy. I'm pretty sure people like me who make up their own mind would make American's heads explode.
On topic; man made global warming is an idea accepted by a huge majority of experts in the climate field. Seriously +90%, perhaps +97%, of the people who are experts in this area tell you the man made global warming exists. These are real scientists. The others who are arguing against man mad climate change are just relying on ignorant sheep following political ideals to give them credibility. Skeptical Science is a good site to find answers to most of the deniers nonsense.
I been wondering about weather models. It seems the weather forecasts aren't as accurate as in the past. I wonder if the model parameters are changing and they haven't nailed down the models to the new weather patterns.
Partially, we also have gone through 200 years of breakneck industrial revolution. We put out a lot of co2 now, but we've put out a lot of co2 in the last 150 yrs. Some of it is spooling down due to things like renewable energy coming online, some spooling up due to increased agriculture requirements and production of our clean energy factories, among other stuff.Our per-capita co2 production is very high. Would it be safe to say that this is due to the enormous distances we have to travel to do anything, especially work, compared to other nations? I don't think electric cars will stop this due to to the high co2 cost of production. It's a wash if I recall correctly.
Our per-capita co2 production is very high. Would it be safe to say that this is due to the enormous distances we have to travel to do anything, especially work, compared to other nations? I don't think electric cars will stop this due to to the high co2 cost of production. It's a wash if I recall correctly.
If the atmosphere were getting too much CO2, then wouldn't more trees and plant life grow to stablize/use the excessive amounts of CO2 levels? Equilibrium....
Some people say that the world is getting warmer thus causing the polar ice caps to melt which will soon cause flooding of coast lines. However doesn't warmer temperature equate into more water being evaporated? Where does it rain/snow the most (i.e. where is all this water going)?
Pockets of methane you say?Don't forget about the massive methane pockets under that ice that will be released making global warming even worse.
As for trees, here is a fun factoid: If you took all the pavement ion the USA (roads, parking, driveway, etc) and made one parking lot, it would be the size of Texas.
Our per-capita co2 production is very high. Would it be safe to say that this is due to the enormous distances we have to travel to do anything, especially work, compared to other nations? I don't think electric cars will stop this due to to the high co2 cost of production. It's a wash if I recall correctly.
Yes its damn real, I am living in India, and since 2005 the temperature is getting hotter and hotter every year. i don't know what will happen after 20 years if things are going this way, A research suggested its due to excessive carbon in the environment and we cant eliminate it even if we plant trees all around the earth.