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Commodus

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Arredondo: I'm still amused that you don't realize your proselytizing and assumptions doesn't work on atheists.

The things that you view as inherent... aren't. Talking about the hope of us being "saved" doesn't mean anything. To us, the Bible isn't evidence; it's stories written by people who weren't there (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were writing decades later) and are trying to explain big concepts and phenomena without the benefit of science.

If you want to persuade an atheist, you have to provide verifiable evidence... and you just can't.
 

APU_Fusion

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I am not even an atheist but I am rational. Rationally, I can provide zero testable objective evidence of a Supernatural Being. Arredondo can’t grasp the fact he cannot provide and testable proof of his claims because he is blinded by his own arrogant belief he is part of the select In-group of the Christian God. He believes himself better than others due to that. Only they are chosen and only they will get to heaven. No different than any other cult.
 
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If you want to persuade an atheist, you have to provide verifiable evidence... and you just can't.
It is not the job of a proselytizer to persuade. Their job is just to present what they know and then leave it up to God to create the spark of belief and faith in the hearts of people who He deems worthy of being saved. If an atheist feels he is not convinced, he should not blame the one who brought the message. Maybe it's just not his time to believe. Maybe he will see the light some other day. Maybe he never will. Those who fear the worst will see the light sooner or later. Those who want to hide behind childish excuses like "there is no scientific evidence for what you preach" or "show me your God. Where does He live?" etc. will have only themselves to blame when the time for reckoning comes.
 
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I am not even an atheist but I am rational. Rationally, I can provide zero testable objective evidence of a Supernatural Being.
Oh yeah. Rationally, everything just happened out of nowhere and so it is totally OK to commit genocide because hey, there's no one to punish the evil doers, right?

Tomorrow, a group of people could decide that humanity does not deserve to live so they launch multiple nukes all over the world and end life as we know it. Why hasn't that happened yet? Nuclear weapons are literally "free" for those who can afford them. Why isn't anyone taking the initiative and letting humans get away with genocide and making species go extinct and destroying the climate and the environment? There is no dearth of people who would love to end humanity because they are ashamed of it. So why haven't they taken any action yet?

My answer: Because there is One above all who is not letting humans do whatever they want. Everything we think we know and everything we think we can do is an illusion. Go ahead and try to get away with the worst possible thing you can do. You can't run far. You will pay in this life or the next. There is no free lunch.
 

APU_Fusion

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Oh yeah. Rationally, everything just happened out of nowhere and so it is totally OK to commit genocide because hey, there's no one to punish the evil doers, right?
So many people have died in the name of religions who have peace and love thy neighbor as their core principles. Truly bizarre. Humans use it as excuse to justify their behavior. God told me to do it is a hell of a get out immoral act jail card.
 

Stokely

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Er, wonder what the body count in the name of organized religions has been over the centuries, and continues to be. How many genocides have been because one group of god-believers has a different flavor than another?

I'd argue that people who believe they don't have everlasting heaven to look forward to might just value life more. I have relatives who told me they don't care about climate change (and presumably any other thing happening here) because "End Times are coming anyway." Lazy and dangerous thinking.

"Everything came out of nowhere'....well, our knowledge isn't great enough to know exactly what happened to get the universe started, though there are theories. Ancient people had a god for things they didn't understand at the time too, like lightning, fire and so on. Current gods are no different.

Like I said, believe what you want and keep it to yourself. Don't use your faith to keep others down Taliban-style. Keep church and state separate. Simple and easy.
 
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APU_Fusion

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It is not the job of a proselytizer to persuade. Their job is just to present what they know and then leave it up to God to create the spark of belief and faith in the hearts of people who He deems worthy of being saved. If an atheist feels he is not convinced, he should not blame the one who brought the message. Maybe it's just not his time to believe. Maybe he will see the light some other day. Maybe he never will. Those who fear the worst will see the light sooner or later. Those who want to hide behind childish excuses like "there is no scientific evidence for what you preach" or "show me your God. Where does He live?" etc. will have only themselves to blame when the time for reckoning comes.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 such arrogance
 

APU_Fusion

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Oh yeah. Rationally, everything just happened out of nowhere and so it is totally OK to commit genocide because hey, there's no one to punish the evil doers, right?

Tomorrow, a group of people could decide that humanity does not deserve to live so they launch multiple nukes all over the world and end life as we know it. Why hasn't that happened yet? Nuclear weapons are literally "free" for those who can afford them. Why isn't anyone taking the initiative and letting humans get away with genocide and making species go extinct and destroying the climate and the environment? There is no dearth of people who would love to end humanity because they are ashamed of it. So why haven't they taken any action yet?

My answer: Because there is One above all who is not letting humans do whatever they want. Everything we think we know and everything we think we can do is an illusion. Go ahead and try to get away with the worst possible thing you can do. You can't run far. You will pay in this life or the next. There is no free lunch.
🤣🤣🤣

Prove your One is the One and not the Other One who damn your for arrogance.
 

APU_Fusion

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Nah. Who am I but a useless person whose life is nothing more than a plastic bottle being thrown mercilessly around by the ocean waves of life?
Nope. You arrogantly proclaim my asking you to prove your assertion is childish? lol. You are the child hiding behind magic and irrational belief systems.
 
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Humans use it as excuse to justify their behavior. God told me to do it is a hell of a get out immoral act jail card.
And they will pay because no one who hurts another living being will go scot free. There's going to be explaining to do for every action.
 

APU_Fusion

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It is the height of arrogance for any man to proclaim any other man will or won’t be saved as of they have some special relationship with Supernatural Being. For all you know, only the Atheists will go to Heaven because they overcame the irrational beliefs put into place by the One.

You don’t know. You believe.
 
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It is the height of arrogance for any man to proclaim any other man will or won’t be saved as of they have some special relationship with Supernatural Being.
People will be judged by the acts they do. So obviously the really horrible ones won't make it. What is arrogant about saying that?
 
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Nope. You arrogantly proclaim my asking you to prove your assertion is childish? lol. You are the child hiding behind magic and irrational belief systems.
I don't need to prove. As I said before, it is the One who decides who believes and who is led astray. The wish to be saved starts from within, by being fearful of the worst outcome of living a whole life and then getting thrown in Hell for not believing. Once that fear takes hold in your heart, you will find the path and see the light.
 

APU_Fusion

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I don't need to prove. As I said before, it is the One who decides who believes and who is led astray. The wish to be saved starts from within, by being fearful of the worst outcome of living a whole life and then getting thrown in Hell for not believing. Once that fear takes hold in your heart, you will find the path and see the light.
Such arrogance. I don’t need prove anything but I am right is so laughable. Define saved? Thrown in Hell? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. I guess Buddha and all Buddhists are in hell, all Muslims, all Jews, all Hindus, all Daoists, all Shintos etc.. Snort
 
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Such arrogance. I don’t need prove anything but I am right is so laughable. Define saved? Thrown in Hell? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. I guess Buddha and all Buddhists are in hell, all Muslims, all Jews, all Hindus, all Daoists, all Shintos etc.. Snort
It's not about religion. Find your own way. Let your heart guide you. I don't know who exactly will end up in Hell. Only He knows. That's why fearing Him is paramount. Once you fear Him, you acknowledge Him and then He shows you how to find Him.
 

APU_Fusion

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It's not about religion. Find your own way. Let your heart guide you. I don't know who exactly will end up in Hell. Only He knows. That's why fearing Him is paramount. Once you fear Him, you acknowledge Him and then He shows you how to find Him.
Fear him? Why do you call the One a He? How patriarchal of you. So, you just say fear some nebulous He and do some acts that only He knows will send me to Hell or not and acknowledge this He as my One with true Fear. Snort.

The One rules by fear and the One will determine whether I go to Hell but only the One knows those acts that will make it so and the One created me not to know the One but to fear the One and provided no proof (yet we live in a world based on natural laws and mathematics).

Fear the One! For the Feared One can send you to hell for …. Reasons ….

Getting off this crazy train and out of thread. 😇
 

APU_Fusion

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Hmm... he didn't last long. Am I THAT bad?
Yes. It is pointless. You designated yourself the knower of the One and how to be saved (through fear). That is pure arrogance. It is pointless to discuss because all you have are feelings. I have things like logic and rational views of the world.

you let fear (the mind slayer) rule you because the mysterious One will put you in hell for … reasons otherwise. I am good with that. When you dictate to me that I should fear the One that is where I get off the crazy train. Such hubrris that you claim to know how to not go to hell or heaven for that matter.

You are not the Priest of the One. You don’t know if One exists. You believe the One exists. You claim anyone who challenges you is childish. Conversation is pointless.
 

IronWing

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I swear to god I'm going to publish a brochure on animism and take up preaching it. It may not be the light and the way but it sure is simpler.
 
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hal2kilo

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I swear to god I'm going to publish a brochure on animism and take up preaching it. It may not be the light and the way but it sure is simpler.
The older I get, the more primative and natural my beliefs get. No need for the hairy thundering authoritarian Abrahamic anti women shit.
 

Stokely

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You can keep your fear and mafia shakedown or else Love. God may need a new marketing team if the goal is to get more adherents. More flies with honey than vinegar as the saying goes.

If the goal is just to be a punishing sadistic ahole, then mission accomplished I guess.
 

Moonbeam

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I have things like logic and rational views of the world.
If so, can I ask you a question? It would be this. Are people born blank slates onto which everything we become must be learned, or does our genetic code include something like a genetic memory that shapes the bodies and brain? Are we not plastic in the sense that we can learn any language our parents may speak no matter what it is, but the brains structures to do so are hard wired in? Do we not, as an extension of my question, have a human nature, a tiger a tiger nature, a gold fish a gold fish nature. Don't humans have a capacity for self awareness.

As a rational person using logic to answer what is conscious awareness? Can you enter a state of conscious awareness by examining data from a machine. I would suggest that using logic and reason to discover this odd human potential you would have to practice some other form of science, a science where you yourself would be the observer and the observed and for that to happen you would have to stop thought which is fear and time.

But if you were thought and time and fear, the ego, how would you do this. You would have to die to the I you imagine yourself to be. But the ego is the fear of death. Do you think it will die willingly.

Maybe religion is just a placebo to get you over the hump. Religion tells us that nothing evil can happen to a good person in this life or the next. Pity the poor Atheist who fears his own death. Blessed is he or she who can transcend it through faith.

For people like you and I, full of self proclaimed reason and logic, religion is not our way. We aren't so luck to be able to have faith. But if the religious can have what we would call a delusional feeling of grace that brings them great happiness, then such a state of consciousness must be built into our brains. Do we know why we evolved that way? I don't but I'm grateful that we did. Those who have faith do not need ego like those full of fear but an Atheist can go to the same place differently. The loss of all faith, all hope, can lead you to the pit of despair from which there is no escape. What good is your ego there. Of those who see the emptiness of everything there's no point in it. Grace can then appear.

That capacity is built into our genes, seems to me. Built in also I think is a discriminatory capacity to assign rank to emotional states. Pleasure is better than pain, Grace is better than endless worrying thought. The Buddha beats the Thinker because he isn't in the past or the future think about things, he's hear in love with being. If all paths lead there what difference do they make. They are only means to an end and like a map, mean nothing to the arrived unless there is someone else for whom that map can be followed.
 

dank69

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Jesus saves from the fires of hell. Okay, but who is throwing people into the fires of hell? ... Who is throwing people into the fires of hell?
 
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