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Moonbeam

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Jesus saves from the fires of hell. Okay, but who is throwing people into the fires of hell? ... Who is throwing people into the fires of hell?
Did you real Leeea's spoiler in post #422?

She suggests an answer: I have changed the case example to more of a universal statement since you were not asking about a particular individual:

Those who believe we are all going to burn and are truly distressed by this have created their own hell, and put themselves into it because this hell exists in their imagination. Anybody not taught to imagine such things or who has completely dismissed such imaginings as having physical reality do not suffer from this needless form of torment.

Your own personal hell, if I may say so is that you are mad at people who do this. You are mad that people suffering their own hell want to inflict that pain on others but that just makes you want to do the same thing. Waste of time. They are already in their own hell.
 
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Stokely

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Jesus saves from the fires of hell. Okay, but who is throwing people into the fires of hell? ... Who is throwing people into the fires of hell?

As I said, with old-school fire-and-brimstone people God's doing a mafia shakedown. You'll fear Me, and then I'll make you love Me. If you don't, to everlasting torment you go.

You'll pay me for protection and give me respect, otherwise you and your family will be sorry.

In both cases it's just intimidation to keep the money flowing. Sick bullying shit.
 
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hal2kilo

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As I said, with old-school fire-and-brimstone people God's doing a mafia shakedown. You'll fear Me, and then I'll make you love Me. If you don't, to everlasting torment you go.

You'll pay me for protection and give me respect, otherwise you and your family will be sorry.

In both cases it's just intimidation to keep the money flowing. Sick bullying shit.
And the alternatives suck just as bad. No rain, cut out the hearts of ten warriors, seven virgins, a five babies. It's all about controlling people.
 
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dank69

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Did you real Leeea's spoiler in post #422?

She suggests an answer: I have changed the case example to more of a universal statement since you were not asking about a particular individual:

Those who believe we are all going to burn and are truly distressed by this have created their own hell, and put themselves into it because this hell exists in their imagination. Anybody not taught to imagine such things or who has completely dismissed such imaginings as having physical reality do not suffer from this needless form of torment.

Your own personal hell, if I may say so is that you are mad at people who do this. You are mad that people suffering their own hell want to inflict that pain on others but that just makes you want to do the same thing. Waste of time. They are already in their own hell.
I don't want to inflict pain on anyone.
 

Moonbeam

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I don't want to inflict pain on anyone.
Would that be true of an angry person. Isn’t righteous indignation a rationalization of permission to get even. Say you don’t want to hurt anyone. Isn’t anger harming yourself? Aren’t you jacking up your system with chemicals like revving your engine and then just sitting there with those chemicals damaging your system? Wouldn't it be much better, us in a garden walking hand in hand smelling the roses and watching the sun go down?
 

arredondo

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I had no one to guide me as a child, nobody of deep understanding. My first contact with wisdom came from sources like Socrates and Einstein. My first exposure to a real teaching came form learning about Zen. Later I found a teacher who practiced psychoanalysis. He discovered others he thought were Knowers like Gurdjieff and later Sufism which I studied for a time.

As a child I believed in God and that he would set everything right, that after death everything would be fixed, the evil would reap what they had sown and those who suffered unjustly would find eternal life but because my Mother told me to be honest and I loved science, everything fell away because ir felt dishonest to believe without proof. I tried my best to prove that there is an absolute good but I failed. Nothing in the West that I read looking for answers worked. My world went black. As a result of reading Zen I went through a period of intense introspection as to what those folk were saying as they seemed not to need a believ in God but did not suffer like I did. I could not understand how that was possible but it did provide me with the idea they weren't kidding or faking it, that their enlightenment thingi might be real. The shock of Zen, the existence of a vastly different incomprehensible point of view rearranged my mind enough to have a sudden insight that answered all my questions. In a flash I ceased to suffer. I think there are a thousand paths and they all lead nowhere unless the one you are on has heart. You will find God in no other place. The kingdom of heaven is within.

I want to acknowledge the effort you put into your post to me and the well wishes behind it. My experience was that guilt is a process of belief in things things like good and evil, virtue and sin. I became a non believer while retaining attachment to belief. I think sin is what happens when people believe they are sinful but want to deny it. I learned all the habits of denial. I am trying to unlearn them by not feeding the beast. My only source of motivation for doing so is just because I decided I want to. Sometimes I forget that too.
As sincere and self-aware as your write up is (shared by countless others, broadly speaking), it describes a process about understanding life that completely conflicts with what God had written in His bible. As a result, it is not surprising that this path led you nowhere near a relationship with Him both here on earth and for eternity in heaven.

What's so wrong from God's perspective, one might ask? Over thirty times in the three paragraphs you reference the main subject of yourself. In the end, you see your life as mainly about you. Of course, you're not alone in that since it could be said of most people to varying degrees, but Christianity is the complete inverse of that perspective. You were created first and foremost to glorify God:

~~~~~
Isaiah 43:7
Everyone who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made.”

Psalm 67:3
"Let the peoples praise You, O God; let all the peoples praise You."

Psalm 86:9
"All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, and they shall glorify Your name."
~~~~~

After understanding this hierarchy of who a person is to prioritize, can a person then focus on me, me, me? Nope. Jesus was once asked what the greatest commandment is, and after He gave a response that reflects the bible quotes I just posted, He then mentioned what is the second greatest commandment:

=====
Matthew 22: 37-39
And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"
=====

God first, your "neighbor" is second, and everything else follows from that. Backing up this admittedly extremely narrow perspective about what connects one to God and what does not, the bible shares countless passages as to why that is. Here's just one quote from Jesus about it:

~~~~~
John 7:13-14
“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."
~~~~~

When He states that "the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction", Jesus is including pretty much everything you wrote in your post. He also includes every single path that any one throughout the ages pursues to satisfy them in this life (and false perceptions beyond it) as well.

Conversely, Jesus indicates here and in other passages throughout the bible that He is the narrow gate. That's it. There is no other option according to Him. Jesus says elsewhere that "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me (John 14:6)". Even the seemingly benign statement of discovering true wisdom through the likes of Socrates and Einstein (who projected more intelligence than wisdom) is countered with this verse:

~~~~~
Psalm 111:10a
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all those who do His commandments"
~~~~~

Any approach that leaves out the God of the bible leaves out Christianity. So every person including yourself has to make a decision based on what the Lord is saying. If Jesus was a liar or insane or completely ignorant about how life really works, you have nothing to worry about. Pursue your chosen path as far as it takes you.

If He is right though, then that changes everything. Going the way of the gate that is wide and broad, which is every way but through Him, gets narrower and narrower and leads to only one outcome: destruction. Hell is its destination.

It's kind of ironic that the complete opposite happens to the person who chooses to accept Jesus' forgiveness of all offenses committed against God: that way gets wider and broader until one eventually gets to enjoy the unlimited happiness and joy to be found in heaven with the Lord and all other believers.

~~~~~
John 10:14
"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture."

John 3:36
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
~~~~~
 

arredondo

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oh, oh! Your a Christian and the others are fake Christians! And you are the person who gets to decide!


It seems according to Arredondo, Jesus made his sacrifice for people only Arredondo approves of!



I wonder how Jesus feels about this turn of events?

I addressed this false observation several times in this thread, including here and here.
 

arredondo

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Jesus saves from the fires of hell. Okay, but who is throwing people into the fires of hell? ... Who is throwing people into the fires of hell?

That is not how the Lord handles this situation, according to the bible. First, it is important to realize that God "is not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). Sadly, sin that you chose to commit has severed your relationship with your Father in heaven. The consequence for that is separation from Him, which can only mean one place: hell. This is because no one possessed with sin can be near the Father at all.

Now to specifically address your points to correct your perspective in God's eyes. Here is what His word says about a sinner who was prominent on earth, and what is to happen after he dies:

~~~~~
Isaiah 1:30-31
"For you will be like an oak whose leaf fades away, or as a garden that has no water. The strong man will become tinder, his work also a spark. Thus they shall both burn together, and there will be none to quench them."
~~~~~

This person (like oh so many) finds strength in himself, not in a relationship with God. Perhaps he is strong physically. Perhaps he is a strong leader or is full of self-confidence in general. Whatever the case, his life is all about him and not his Creator. It is because of this that the bible shows again and again that the wicked will forever suffer in their own sins:

~~~~~
Psalm 94:23
"He has brought back their wickedness upon them and will destroy them in their evil; the LORD our God will destroy them."
~~~~~

The "strong" man in his sins, we are told in the Isaiah 1:30-31 passage above, is a tree, but spiritually he is without the living water. As a result, this "oak tree" of a man will see his "leaf wither" when he passes away. He is also spiritually dead, and after he physically dies, his eternal fate will be sealed. The scripture above goes on to say that this dead tree is now dry wood in the afterlife... "tinder", which is fuel that exists only to be burned.

Fuel does not burn on its own, though. It needs fire and that flame somehow must be generated, such as from a lighter, a flint, lightning, or a match, etc. The scripture above says the the sins of this "strong" man that he committed in his life ("his work") are the "spark" that sets him as "tinder" on fire, and that "they shall burn together, and there will be none to quench them."

BTW, that last phrase is biblical proof (among other passages) that the sinner suffers in the next life forever and does not simply become annihilated into nothingness at some point. Altogether, these verses are one of the clearest explanations of the realities of hell in His word.

Conversely, a person of faith must be in a real relationship with God to truly be strong. This is backed up by this: "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" (Philippians 4:13). Also, the bible also explains that "the joy of the Lord is your strength" (Nehemiah 8:10). A Christian is eternally alive even after they physically pass away. This is because they are like a tree planted by the living water of the Lord. The saved person's "leaf" will never die, as explained here in God's word:

~~~~~
Psalm 1:3
"And he will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither; and in whatever he does, he prospers."
~~~~~

tl;dr: According to the bible, hell is a place for those who reject being in a relationship with their Creator by accepting the payment for their sins that Jesus offers with His own life (and God obliges them). It is not a random, fiery place of doom made for people, but a spiritual realm in the afterlife where the spark to create one's flames in hell is caused by their own sinful deeds, and the fuel that keeps the flames burning forever are the sinful bodies that one carries into their eternity of torment. The last words of Jesus to those who choose that fate is this:

~~~~~
Matthew 25:41
"Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'"
~~~~~
 
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Moonbeam

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As sincere and self-aware as your write up is (shared by countless others, broadly speaking), it describes a process about understanding life that completely conflicts with what God had written in His bible. As a result, it is not surprising that this path led you nowhere near a relationship with Him both here on earth and for eternity in heaven.

What's so wrong from God's perspective, one might ask? Over thirty times in the three paragraphs you reference the main subject of yourself. In the end, you see your life as mainly about you. Of course, you're not alone in that since it could be said of most people to varying degrees, but Christianity is the complete inverse of that perspective. You were created first and foremost to glorify God:

~~~~~
Isaiah 43:7
Everyone who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made.”

Psalm 67:3
"Let the peoples praise You, O God; let all the peoples praise You."

Psalm 86:9
"All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, and they shall glorify Your name."
~~~~~

After understanding this hierarchy of who a person is to prioritize, can a person then focus on me, me, me? Nope. Jesus was once asked what the greatest commandment is, and after He gave a response that reflects the bible quotes I just posted, He then mentioned what is the second greatest commandment:

=====
Matthew 22: 37-39
And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"
=====

God first, your "neighbor" is second, and everything else follows from that. Backing up this admittedly extremely narrow perspective about what connects one to God and what does not, the bible shares countless passages as to why that is. Here's just one quote from Jesus about it:

~~~~~
John 7:13-14
“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."
~~~~~

When He states that "the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction", Jesus is including pretty much everything you wrote in your post. He also includes every single path that any one throughout the ages pursues to satisfy them in this life (and false perceptions beyond it) as well.

Conversely, Jesus indicates here and in other passages throughout the bible that He is the narrow gate. That's it. There is no other option according to Him. Jesus says elsewhere that "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me (John 14:6)". Even the seemingly benign statement of discovering true wisdom through the likes of Socrates and Einstein (who projected more intelligence than wisdom) is countered with this verse:

~~~~~
Psalm 111:10a
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all those who do His commandments"
~~~~~

Any approach that leaves out the God of the bible leaves out Christianity. So every person including yourself has to make a decision based on what the Lord is saying. If Jesus was a liar or insane or completely ignorant about how life really works, you have nothing to worry about. Pursue your chosen path as far as it takes you.

If He is right though, then that changes everything. Going the way of the gate that is wide and broad, which is every way but through Him, gets narrower and narrower and leads to only one outcome: destruction. Hell is its destination.

It's kind of ironic that the complete opposite happens to the person who chooses to accept Jesus' forgiveness of all offenses committed against God: that way gets wider and broader until one eventually gets to enjoy the unlimited happiness and joy to be found in heaven with the Lord and all other believers.

~~~~~
John 10:14
"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture."

John 3:36
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
~~~~~
It is fine with me that you believe all that. It is what you believe that Christianity teaches. All the things you say here I understand to be true but I do not understand them the same way that you do. You take them far more literally than I do in my opinion. However I am not interested in explaining to you how my interpretation of their meaning is more or less in line with their true meaning because I see them from a perspective that I don't think you feel any need for. You have your answers and if they take you across a bridge to an other reality, that would be wonderful for me.

There was a time, a place, and a people who lived a long time ago in the Middle East for whom the conditions on the ground determined the nature of what sort of a bridge could be built. Many other bridged were created in other places. To cross a bridge to truth takes incredible dedication and focus. If you go the Christian path I am not going to be yelling at you that yours is a phony way or there's a better way over here. For you there is only one way because the way you are asks that you think that way.

I understand your concern. I used to fear doubt and hell. I know about loss separation, hell, and despair. Then I died and went to heaven. I couldn't save myself through faith.

If I were to talk about God the way you do, I would say he was nice enough to throw me a bone since I couldn't believe as a Christian do.
 
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dank69

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That is not how the Lord handles this situation, according to the bible. First, it is important to realize that God "is not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). Sadly, sin that you chose to commit has severed your relationship with your Father in heaven. The consequence for that is separation from Him, which can only mean one place: hell. This is because no one possessed with sin can be near the Father at all.

Now to specifically address your points to correct your perspective in God's eyes. Here is what His word says about a sinner who was prominent on earth, and what is to happen after he dies:

~~~~~
Isaiah 1:30-31
"For you will be like an oak whose leaf fades away, or as a garden that has no water. The strong man will become tinder, his work also a spark. Thus they shall both burn together, and there will be none to quench them."
~~~~~

This person (like oh so many) finds strength in himself, not in a relationship with God. Perhaps he is strong physically. Perhaps he is a strong leader or is full of self-confidence in general. Whatever the case, his life is all about him and not his Creator. It is because of this that the bible shows again and again that the wicked will forever suffer in their own sins:

~~~~~
Psalm 94:23
"He has brought back their wickedness upon them and will destroy them in their evil; the LORD our God will destroy them."
~~~~~

The "strong" man in his sins, we are told in the Isaiah 1:30-31 passage above, is a tree, but spiritually he is without the living water. As a result, this "oak tree" of a man will see his "leaf wither" when he passes away. He is also spiritually dead, and after he physically dies, his eternal fate will be sealed. The scripture above goes on to say that this dead tree is now dry wood in the afterlife... "tinder", which is fuel that exists only to be burned.

Fuel does not burn on its own, though. It needs fire and that flame somehow must be generated, such as from a lighter, a flint, lightning, or a match, etc. The scripture above says the the sins of this "strong" man that he committed in his life ("his work") are the "spark" that sets him as "tinder" on fire, and that "they shall burn together, and there will be none to quench them."

BTW, that last phrase is biblical proof (among other passages) that the sinner suffers in the next life forever and does not simply become annihilated into nothingness at some point. Altogether, these verses are one of the clearest explanations of the realities of hell in His word.

Conversely, a person of faith must be in a real relationship with God to truly be strong. This is backed up by this: "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" (Philippians 4:13). Also, the bible also explains that "the joy of the Lord is your strength" (Nehemiah 8:10). A Christian is eternally alive even after they physically pass away. This is because they are like a tree planted by the living water of the Lord. The saved person's "leaf" will never die, as explained here in God's word:

~~~~~
Psalm 1:3
"And he will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither; and in whatever he does, he prospers."
~~~~~

tl;dr: According to the bible, hell is a place for those who reject being in a relationship with their Creator by accepting the payment for their sins that Jesus offers with His own life (and God obliges them). It is not a random, fiery place of doom made for people, but a spiritual realm in the afterlife where the spark to create one's flames in hell is caused by their own sinful deeds, and the fuel that keeps the flames burning forever are the sinful bodies that one carries into their eternity of torment. The last words of Jesus to those who choose that fate is this:

~~~~~
Matthew 25:41
"Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'"
~~~~~
What a stupid religion. Who would willingly worship a piece of shit god like that? Not me, and if it turns out you guessed correctly among thousands of religions and that god you describe does exist, I'm going to personally kick his ass when I come to town.
 
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IronWing

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You were created first and foremost to glorify God:
Even by the standards of theism, that's pretty lame. Why would you create a god like that? Oh, what you're really saying is that we were created to worship your sock puppet. Narcissism is not an admirable trait Mr. Arredondo Script.
 
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APU_Fusion

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And round and round we go. Bible say god is real because god proclaimed himself real in Bible. Where is my tithe.
 

Leeea

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Jesus saves from the fires of hell. Okay, but who is throwing people into the fires of hell? ... Who is throwing people into the fires of hell?
I had provided a theological explanation that basically came down to:

Some people create their own hell.
Then put themselves into that hell.

Quite frequently, those are people who believe other people are going to hell. They sincerely believe people they love are going to burn for all eternity. This "revelation" has set their own mind on fire with distress. Emotions of stress, emotional burnout, hopelessness, anger, fear all burn their humanity, their soul away.


Jesus, provides a way for people to just let it all go, the anger, the hate, all of it, so they can escape their own hell. To forgive others, and most importantly, forgive themselves. To love again, both others and themselves. To find redemption in His saving grace.

He certainly is not the only path. Atheism can be another path if taken thoughtfully. Christianity can be a path to hell if taken wrongly, as Arredondo demonstrates.
Did you real Leeea's spoiler in post #422?

She suggests an answer: I have changed the case example to more of a universal statement since you were not asking about a particular individual:

Those who believe we are all going to burn and are truly distressed by this have created their own hell, and put themselves into it because this hell exists in their imagination. Anybody not taught to imagine such things or who has completely dismissed such imaginings as having physical reality do not suffer from this needless form of torment.

Your own personal hell, if I may say so is that you are mad at people who do this. You are mad that people suffering their own hell want to inflict that pain on others but that just makes you want to do the same thing. Waste of time. They are already in their own hell.
Exactly.
 
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Jesus saves from the fires of hell. Okay, but who is throwing people into the fires of hell? ... Who is throwing people into the fires of hell?
The GQP.
As sincere and self-aware as your write up is (shared by countless others, broadly speaking), it describes a process about understanding life that completely conflicts with what God had written in His bible. As a result, it is not surprising that this path led you nowhere near a relationship with Him both here on earth and for eternity in heaven.

What's so wrong from God's perspective, one might ask? Over thirty times in the three paragraphs you reference the main subject of yourself. In the end, you see your life as mainly about you. Of course, you're not alone in that since it could be said of most people to varying degrees, but Christianity is the complete inverse of that perspective. You were created first and foremost to glorify God:

~~~~~
Isaiah 43:7
Everyone who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made.”

Psalm 67:3
"Let the peoples praise You, O God; let all the peoples praise You."

Psalm 86:9
"All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, and they shall glorify Your name."
~~~~~

After understanding this hierarchy of who a person is to prioritize, can a person then focus on me, me, me? Nope. Jesus was once asked what the greatest commandment is, and after He gave a response that reflects the bible quotes I just posted, He then mentioned what is the second greatest commandment:

=====
Matthew 22: 37-39
And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"
=====

God first, your "neighbor" is second, and everything else follows from that. Backing up this admittedly extremely narrow perspective about what connects one to God and what does not, the bible shares countless passages as to why that is. Here's just one quote from Jesus about it:

~~~~~
John 7:13-14
“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it."
~~~~~

When He states that "the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction", Jesus is including pretty much everything you wrote in your post. He also includes every single path that any one throughout the ages pursues to satisfy them in this life (and false perceptions beyond it) as well.

Conversely, Jesus indicates here and in other passages throughout the bible that He is the narrow gate. That's it. There is no other option according to Him. Jesus says elsewhere that "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me (John 14:6)". Even the seemingly benign statement of discovering true wisdom through the likes of Socrates and Einstein (who projected more intelligence than wisdom) is countered with this verse:

~~~~~
Psalm 111:10a
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all those who do His commandments"
~~~~~

Any approach that leaves out the God of the bible leaves out Christianity. So every person including yourself has to make a decision based on what the Lord is saying. If Jesus was a liar or insane or completely ignorant about how life really works, you have nothing to worry about. Pursue your chosen path as far as it takes you.

If He is right though, then that changes everything. Going the way of the gate that is wide and broad, which is every way but through Him, gets narrower and narrower and leads to only one outcome: destruction. Hell is its destination.

It's kind of ironic that the complete opposite happens to the person who chooses to accept Jesus' forgiveness of all offenses committed against God: that way gets wider and broader until one eventually gets to enjoy the unlimited happiness and joy to be found in heaven with the Lord and all other believers.

~~~~~
John 10:14
"I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture."

John 3:36
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
~~~~~
Kinda stupid, ain't ya?

The 'book' is a collection of fables scribbled out by random dudes suffering heat exhaustion in a desert and drunk on wine gone bad from being stored in bags made out of sheep guts.
 

hal2kilo

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I had provided a theological explanation that basically came down to:

Some people create their own hell.
Then put themselves into that hell.

Quite frequently, those are people who believe other people are going to hell. They sincerely believe people they love are going to burn for all eternity. This "revelation" has set their own mind on fire with distress. Emotions of stress, emotional burnout, hopelessness, anger, fear all burn their humanity, their soul away.


Jesus, provides a way for people to just let it all go, the anger, the hate, all of it, so they can escape their own hell. To forgive others, and most importantly, forgive themselves. To love again, both others and themselves. To find redemption in His saving grace.

He certainly is not the only path. Atheism can be another path if taken thoughtfully. Christianity can be a path to hell if taken wrongly, as Arredondo demonstrates.

Exactly.
Yea, those 2 sentences after the colon is my observation.
 
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