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Moonbeam

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Amos 4:12
“...Prepare to meet your God...”
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Here are some words about the kind of Christianity I believe in and why I hold Jesus in the highest respect I am capable of. Truth for me was what remained mine after a shipwreck.
 

dank69

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Obviously God. But He did not create the Devil originally as a malevolent entity. The Devil was one of the most obedient subjects of God until God decided to test him by ordering him to bow before Adam. The Devil refused because he thought Adam, made of clay (the primordial soup) was far inferior to him, an entity created from Fire. So God told Devil that his final resting place will be in Hell forever. The Devil in return asked for just one thing for his millenia of obedient service to God, let me make the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve go astray. And God granted that wish of his.

The Devil is not powerful. He can only whisper bad things into our minds and we can protect ourselves from his destructive and injected thoughts by asking God for protection. God grants His protection to His servants and to be a servant, you must be obedient, humble and willing to sacrifice yourself for what is right. That last part is the real source of confusion though. Everyone thinks THEY are right and as an extension of that, everyone thinks that God supports them in whatever they do and so then we have wars but it is easy to see from the outcome of those wars who God really supports, like for example in Russia vs. Ukraine.
Bro you're just repeating stories you've been told as if they're fact. There's no more validity to them than any other work of fiction.
 
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brycejones

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Read if you have the time: https://scholar.dominican.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1066&context=senior-theses

Why are three different religions going with the same concept of an evil entity unless there's some connection, like maybe the Satan is real?
Uh.......

Uh......

It's in the fucking title. All those religions are related.

Why would 3 religions 2 of which are built on top of one have some of the same views? Surely this can't be a serious question on your part.
 

dank69

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Did you actually read the paper you linked?
If you are trying to say that the concept of Satan was "invented", I ask you again. Why stick with Satan? Why not just invent something far more sinister? Like someone who can actually take human form and do serious practical evil (command an army of evil doers!)?
 

dank69

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If you are trying to say that the concept of Satan was "invented", I ask you again. Why stick with Satan? Why not just invent something far more sinister? Like someone who can actually take human form and do serious practical evil (command an army of evil doers!)?
What are you talking about? Christianity and Islam both derived from Judaism. It's all the same god.
 

brycejones

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If you are trying to say that the concept of Satan was "invented", I ask you again. Why stick with Satan? Why not just invent something far more sinister? Like someone who can actually take human form and do serious practical evil (command an army of evil doers!)?
I asked you a simple yes or no question.
 

Leeea

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In Christianity specifically, the answers to your questions have already been presented.

1. created to honor God in everything we say and do, as expressed throughout the Bible.

2. Burn in hell if you don’t, forever and ever.

Yes, many Christians think that intellectuals that challenge their beliefs are arrogant. Funny enough, they make exceptions for theologians cuz reasons, except when the theologians disagree with them.

Denominations exist because because words have been interpreted differently, whether it’s language changing or society, or both…whatever.

Regardless, people that are actually into this stuff trying to figure out God’s motivations by reading “between the lines” can easily be deemed as arrogant, and we all know that hubris is a one of the 7 deadly sins.

And really, the only reason to give a shit about this is because people care enough about their beliefs that they feel like it’s their right to force it on others.
Just for the record, not all Christians are claiming 1 or 2 are true, absolute, or whatever.

Also, not all Christians are claiming that is what the Bible states.


I would like to introduce you to Sheol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol
The place in the Hebrew bible both the righteous, and unrighteous, go.

So, in the Hebrew Bible, we have this perspective of God, Satan, and Hell, and it changes as time passes.

So we cannot claim the Bible says X about Hell. It is not simple and it is not black and white.


So in the Time of Christ, this really gets interesting. This is the beginning of the Second Temple Period, which begins 70 CE. The gospels start to be written in 70 CE, and are written by Jews, in the context of their beliefs.

In 70 CE we have the destruction of the Jewish Commonwealth, destruction of Jewish social and legal systems, destruction of the Temple, the destruction of traditional Jewish schools of scholarship.

And what do you know, some guys starts writing the New Testament in this Time period. What a coincidence?


Specifically, Pharisees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
Pharisees were fans of Rabbinic Judaism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#cite_note-136
which refers to a collection of Jewish writings called the Babylonian Talmud

Yep, in the New Testament, the time of Christ, the old testament was not the primary basis of Jewish belief.

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Now, I am going to skip a whole bunch of context here, but basically say this.

If a person takes into context the Talmud understanding, who the writers were, where they lived, what time they lived, who they claimed to be. In all likelihood, in the proper context writer who wrote the book of Mark was not claiming hell was some eternal whatever.

He was most likely claiming people put themselves in the equivalent of Gehenna, a burning garbage dump, in this life.




Please, please, do not paint us Christians all with the same brush.
 
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Moonbeam

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There are probably thousands of different forms of Christianity. Why are vampires similar across many different cultures unless there's some connection, like maybe vampires are real?
Or that self hate is everywhere and emotionally draining but we can only face it by external projection.
 

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The only time I think about god anymore is when I think about how much I miss George Carlin.

 
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The only time I think about god anymore is when I think about how much I miss George Carlin.

I find this clip HILARIOUS every single time:

It's true. God is mysterious in the way He does stuff. It's like throwing someone in a pit, giving them all the disadvantages that would prevent them from getting out of that pit and then sit back and enjoy watching how they still go about trying to escape from that pit. He really IS God. Almost 10 billion channels of entertainment for Him just on this one planet! It blows the mind that He's controlling the entire Universe and who knows what else and also enjoying our misery as we try to figure out life!
 
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ch33zw1z

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Just for the record, not all Christians are claiming 1 or 2 are true, absolute, or whatever.

Also, not all Christians are claiming that is what the Bible states.


I would like to introduce you to Sheol:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol
The place in the Hebrew bible both the righteous, and unrighteous, go.

So, in the Hebrew Bible, we have this perspective of God, Satan, and Hell, and it changes as time passes.

So we cannot claim the Bible says X about Hell. It is not simple and it is not black and white.


So in the Time of Christ, this really gets interesting. This is the beginning of the Second Temple Period, which begins 70 CE. The gospels start to be written in 70 CE, and are written by Jews, in the context of their beliefs.

In 70 CE we have the destruction of the Jewish Commonwealth, destruction of Jewish social and legal systems, destruction of the Temple, the destruction of traditional Jewish schools of scholarship.

And what do you know, some guys starts writing the New Testament in this Time period. What a coincidence?


Specifically, Pharisees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
Pharisees were fans of Rabbinic Judaism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#cite_note-136
which refers to a collection of Jewish writings called the Babylonian Talmud

Yep, in the New Testament, the time of Christ, the old testament was not the primary basis of Jewish belief.

.
.
.

Now, I am going to skip a whole bunch of context here, but basically say this.

If a person takes into context the Talmud understanding, who the writers were, where they lived, what time they lived, who they claimed to be. In all likelihood, in the proper context writer who wrote the book of Mark was not claiming hell was some eternal whatever.

He was most likely claiming people put themselves in the equivalent of Gehenna, a burning garbage dump, in this life.




Please, please, do not paint us Christians all with the same brush.

It doesn’t matter how I paint you. Religions are grifting preying on basic human emotions.
 
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Why re invent the wheel when you have one that works? Just modify, change around d parts you don’t like, and roll out grift 2.0
I have to disagree because there's another way to approach this and which is what I believe. Religion has gone through tons of revisions, just like evolution of life (not humans, though. I believe that Adam was an almost perfect human being and there was no evolution involved there). God knows human nature. But just for the heck of it (because He can so why not?), He sent religion upon religion down to Earth through prophets and messengers, to see the clusterfuck that humans would make of them. This was also the perfect way to test who is actually pious (which is what matters to God when it comes to humans, above all else). The pious people followed their religion to the letter and only doing what was allowed. The hypocrites never really accepted it in their heart and tried to find ways to circumvent the laws.

Here's an example (heard from an engaged religious woman): she couldn't do pre-marital anything with her fiance because it was forbidden in her religion (but vaguely written as religious books tend to be, probably so God can enjoy seeing people come up with hilarious interpretations). So they put their heads together and came up with the idea that what was forbidden was penetration of her lovetrap. So she was doing everything with him except the penetration part and didn't feel guilty about it. But you see, she still had FEAR in her heart which was keeping her from doing the actual intercourse. That made her pious and she would get to doing that after marriage. Same way, people PLAYED with their religious rules and commandments, finding loopholes but FEAR is what will matter in the end. If you were FULLY capable of doing something but stopped dead in your tracks because of fear of God, there you go. You are pious and you deserve God's mercy. There is no simpler way of putting it.
 
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What was the last paragraph?
The author of that paper is confused about Satan's existence. I linked to it only to show that Satan went through three religions. Question is why? One could say "it seemed like a good idea to blame someone for the evil humans do". My question is, if the religions after Judaism were invented, why bother taking ANYTHING from Judaism? If you are a good maker of stories, you can invent something truly more compelling than Judaism or the religions that came after it. Jesus had no need to even acknowledge Judaism. He could have invented something new entirely. Star Wars is an awesome religion of the Force. I truly love it. The ancient Greeks had awesome mythology about various gods too. Why didn't those form some Greek religion with millions of staunch followers today?

Another thing: Do you think anyone would die for the Force? Or for any of the Greek gods? Yet all three Abrahamic religions have fanatics willing to do so. What is so different about them? What's the special sauce in them that attracts crackpots willing to give everything up? Where are the Buddhist kamakaze madmen?
 
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