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Leeea

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That's kind of the fundamental problem with taking religious belief into into law. Faith and beliefs are not universally shared.


Which do you have a problem with?

Are not some things self evident?
 

APU_Fusion

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Which do you have a problem with?

Are not some things self evident?

And your not comfortable admitting your Atheist peers are perfectly happy doing the same thing.

What I am claiming is we are all human beings. And human beings have a history of murder, war, rape, death, and destruction. In the name of God, in the name of Atheism, in the name of whatever they can use to murder their neighbor. We are not picky, any reason works.


Religious freedom is a fundamental right to everyone, US citizen or not.


We each have our own perception of God.
So is freedom from religion.
 
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ch33zw1z

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When the constitution was made it only allowed white landowners to vote. A minority was not even considered a full person when counted.


It has been improved, and will continue to be improved to a more perfect union.

The constitution is a tool, an agreement, to establish justice, insure safety, provide for communal defense, promote welfare of society, and secure freedom for ourselves and our children.


We have no duty to it beyond using it as tool to fulfill the above purpose. It is not holy. It is not to be worshiped. It is a tool we agree to live by, to uphold, to secure the above goals.

We can change it to better achieve said goals. It is not writ in stone. It does not transcend universal Human Rights as given by God.

nice strawman there, nobody is worshipping it, but that’s your religious influence talking. Your duty as a citizen of the USA is to stand up for what makes our country OUR country. Your not fighting for your mythical being in the sky, your fighting for real people with real rules written on real paper.

Again, you’re confusing where your loyalties lie and what you’re actually doing.
 

APU_Fusion

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So where's the proof God exists, and that it is the god you believe in as opposed to the God (or Gods) of a different religion?
That's kind of the fundamental problem with taking religious belief into into law. Faith and beliefs are not universally shared.
Don’t bother. It is all circular fallacies all the way down the turtle black hole. They don’t have and cannot have any proof of God. Only faith in man made books and stories or natural phenomena they claim can only result because of God. Utter nonsense.

I belief in God. I don’t believe in asserting God in any form of a government. government must always be secular.
 

Fenixgoon

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Which do you have a problem with?

Are not some things self evident?
I don't see where that is rooted in any particular religious belief or attributed to any particular deity (-ies)
 

Leeea

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“In the name of atheism” made me laugh tho. When’s the last time and atheist yelled “FOR NO GOD AND COUNTRY” before levying terrible deeds on someone.
Stalin?
Mao Zedong?
Pol Pot?
Kim Il Sung?


Did you really think it was immune to being used as a weapon?
 
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Leeea

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So where's the proof God exists, and that it is the god you believe in as opposed to the God (or Gods) of a different religion?
I don't see where that is rooted in any particular religious belief or attributed to any particular deity (-ies)

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It matters not if you are Buddhist, Christian, or Atheist. It matters not if your Creator is Evolution, a Deity, or The Great Spaghetti Monster.


It matters not if you believe God is the universe as a whole, a progress theology, a Christian deity, the big bang, or refused to believe at all.


God's Truth is Self Evident. Universal. Stands on its own.

It does not need proof of God.
It does not need a Holy Book.
It does not need justification of Faith.
It does not need YOU to believe in God.
It does not need anyone to believe in God.



I am not trying to convince you God exists. I do not care if you believe. You all go to heaven anyway, unless you do not want to, your choice. Change your mind as many times as you want in the next life. Whatever.
I am trying to convince you not to hate Christianity.
I am trying to convince you not to accept Christianity is X or says Y. Not to accept all Christians believe Z.
To realize the most vocal is not the most representative.
To point out what your so quick to vilify is also the same thing that makes it possible for you to vilify it.
Not to make assumptions about peoples beliefs. My beliefs are clearly VERY different then some others.
Not to make enemies where you do not have to.


You insist on making [insert religion here] your enemy. Why? To what gain?
Why not just work together for what is in common?
 
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ch33zw1z

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Hitler
Columbus
Ratko Mladić
Ríos Montt <-> William Casey <-> Ronald Reagan


People use whatever they can as a weapon.

Sure, and the current threat in our country is Christian’s in the form of Christian nationalism.
 

Leeea

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Weird, you still haven't actually provided examples.
I misinterpreted your question. I thought you were stating I was giving propaganda for killing atheists and wanted me to give some for killing theists, and responded accordingly.



I just realized, you did not think those atheists committed horrors, or did not go after theists or something. It did not occur to me that it was possible for a person to be that ignorant.

https://www.google.com/search?q=stalin
https://www.google.com/search?q=Mao+Zedong
https://www.google.com/search?q=Pol+Pot
https://www.google.com/search?q=Kim+Il+Sung
https://www.google.com/search?q=stalin+targeting+religion
https://www.google.com/search?q=Mao+Zedong+target+religion
https://www.google.com/search?q=Pol+Pot+targeting+religion
https://www.google.com/search?q=Kim+Il+Sung+targeting+religion
 

brycejones

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I misinterpreted your question. I thought you were stating I was giving propaganda for killing atheists and wanted me to give some for killing theists, and responded accordingly.



I just realized, you did not think those atheists committed horrors, or did not go after theists or something. It did not occur to me that it was possible for a person to be that ignorant.

https://www.google.com/search?q=stalin
https://www.google.com/search?q=Mao+Zedong
https://www.google.com/search?q=Pol+Pot
https://www.google.com/search?q=Kim+Il+Sung
https://www.google.com/search?q=stalin+targeting+religion
https://www.google.com/search?q=Mao+Zedong+target+religion
https://www.google.com/search?q=Pol+Pot+targeting+religion
https://www.google.com/search?q=Kim+Il+Sung+targeting+religion
Holy shit, you're fucking dense

God is sad

DId most of those despise religion? Yes without question. Was that their primary call to action for their people? Shit your last one even was ok with religion as long as they supported him.

We have far more examples through history of explicit calls to action for one religious group to kill another religious group. Wouldn't you agree?
 
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Leeea

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Holy shit, you're fucking dense

God is sad

DId most of those despise religion? Yes without question. Was that their primary call to action for their people? Shit your last one even was ok with religion as long as they supported him.

We have far more examples through history of explicit calls to action for one religious group to kill another religious group. Wouldn't you agree?
Which idea has been around longer?

Which has been far more commonly held?

Your falling for the heat map fallacy.


Peace has been made in the name of God(s) and swore to in front of God(s) far more often then atheism. It might be somewhat difficult to find historical examples that do not evoke Diety(s).


Your question fails simply because atheism was irrelevant in history.
 

brycejones

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Which idea has been around longer?

Which has been far more commonly held?

Your falling for the heat map fallacy.


Peace has been made in the name of God(s) and swore to in front of God(s) far more often then atheism. It might be somewhat difficult to find historical examples that do not evoke Diety(s).


Your question fails simply because atheism was irrelevant in history.
so weird
 

dank69

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So where's the proof God exists, and that it is the god you believe in as opposed to the God (or Gods) of a different religion?
That's kind of the fundamental problem with taking religious belief into into law. Faith and beliefs are not universally shared.
Faith is the polar opposite of science.
 

Moonbeam

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Faith is the polar opposite of science.
How so? Isn't science the process of figuring out the what psychical laws nature obeys to produce a repeatably testable theory that can predict and thus produce useful outcomes.

Isn't religion just the relics of past God -Conscious individuals prescribing a methodology best suited destroy the common cultural blindness of that time people and place? Religions are just individualized keys to ancient and not so ancient kinds of prisons. The pretense or egotistic blindness practiced by scientists in the notion that the observer is not separate from what is observed. How can the eye see itself?
 

APU_Fusion

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Which idea has been around longer?

Which has been far more commonly held?

Your falling for the heat map fallacy.


Peace has been made in the name of God(s) and swore to in front of God(s) far more often then atheism. It might be somewhat difficult to find historical examples that do not evoke Diety(s).


Your question fails simply because atheism was irrelevant in history.
And man used to think eclipses were a sign from God. Who gives a shit. You are so arrogant. It doesn’t matter to you if we don’t believe in God because you know we will go to heaven? Wow, Satan, such arrogance you have.

Glad you speak for God! The arrogance is astounding.

You are the very example of evil men using religion to justify their atrocities. I know God. I KNOW GOD! It does not matter what you mere mortals may believe or think for I Am The Burning Bush. I am the Alpha, omega, and spaghetti monster.

I AM LEEEEEAAAAAAAAAA!
 
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dank69

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How so? Isn't science the process of figuring out the what psychical laws nature obeys to produce a repeatably testable theory that can predict and thus produce useful outcomes.

Isn't religion just the relics of past God -Conscious individuals prescribing a methodology best suited destroy the common cultural blindness of that time people and place? Religions are just individualized keys to ancient and not so ancient kinds of prisons. The pretense or egotistic blindness practiced by scientists in the notion that the observer is not separate from what is observed. How can the eye see itself?
Faith is belief without evidence. If you have evidence, then you don't have faith.
 

Moonbeam

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Faith is belief without evidence. If you have evidence, then you don't have faith.
Science is belief without evidence in every hypotheses in formulation until others have established the insight that led to its formulation predicts consistent results. Science is faith in that process because of results. Religion is faith that some psychological discipline prescribed by a person with the knowledge of how to transmit it to another produces a similar enlightenment. You have a tradition or cultural roots in the scientific method, but no belief that a transcendent conscious state is possible or that any real teaching of it exists.

Because of the threat to the ego any news you are missing something of vital will produce a defensive reaction. The way past this is only open to those with a profound sense of curiosity that a science of mind might exist, or who suffer so badly they can’t stay asleep.

As you know, I am not a person of faith. I am only empty of things others believe. I know nothing. I survived a shipwreck and woke up on a hidden island full of pirate treasure. Now back to sleep. There’s a hungry wild kitty ar my back door I want to feed.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Which idea has been around longer?

Which has been far more commonly held?

Your falling for the heat map fallacy.


Peace has been made in the name of God(s) and swore to in front of God(s) far more often then atheism. It might be somewhat difficult to find historical examples that do not evoke Diety(s).


Your question fails simply because atheism was irrelevant in history.
man are you gonna be real sad when you find out hinduism has been around far longer than christianity or judaism, and must therefore be the correct religion because it's been around longer.

also, your argument is rooted in tradition rather than logic. you're essentially saying "because we've always done things this way" which is kind of the antithesis to the progression of humanity.
 

Moonbeam

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man are you gonna be real sad when you find out hinduism has been around far longer than christianity or judaism, and must therefore be the correct religion because it's been around longer.

also, your argument is rooted in tradition rather than logic. you're essentially saying "because we've always done things this way" which is kind of the antithesis to the progression of humanity.
It sure seems logical that the progression of humanity is a good thing. My problem with what you are saying is that like religious and non religious people of every stripe, they all seem to think that their opinion and only that opinion is what represents real progress. Have you ever noticed that?
 
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