Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right

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Lifer
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As obama said in the linked article of the opening post,



But yet obama signed the ndaa, kills his own citizens with drone strikes, forcing his citizens to buy a protect or pay a fine, but speaks of protecting liberties?

That does not look like a 2 faced or a flat out lying statement?

All politicians are somewhat hypocritical if you take their actions out of context... and for the most part if you don't.

That doesn't make love less of a human right, it has no baring on it at all.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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What have I said in this thread that is homo-phobic?

"Homosexuality is a public health issue"

and

"I can make up any number of reasons why the gay lifestyle should be prohibited by law"

I'd say they go towards the homophobic mindset, but those are just from your responses to me, I don't know about the rest of the thread.

You don't like gay people or people having gay sex for some reason, and you are trying to justify your hate with any reason you can find.
 

alzan

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As obama said in the linked article of the opening post,



But yet obama signed the ndaa, kills his own citizens with drone strikes, forcing his citizens to buy a protect or pay a fine, but speaks of protecting liberties?

That does not look like a 2 faced or a flat out lying statement?

A politician that holds opposing views; I'm shocked I tell you. Just shocked!
 

Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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"Homosexuality is a public health issue"

Gay men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than non-gay men.

That is straight from the CDC - http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
Men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexual men.

If any other group of people were 17 times more like to get anything, the CDC would take action.



"I can make up any number of reasons why the gay lifestyle should be prohibited by law"

That was in rebuttal to your drug argument, nothing more.
 

Gooberlx2

Lifer
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But yet obama signed the ndaa, kills his own citizens with drone strikes, forcing his citizens to buy a protect or pay a fine, but speaks of protecting liberties?

That does not look like a 2 faced or a flat out lying statement?

Maybe he honestly believes these things about these separate issues. Pretty incredible how complex and varied one's opinions can be about different issues, eh? Even when those issues can be tangentially related (liberties).
 

werepossum

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I do not have trouble with that.

I once sat down and tried to figure out how sexuality could be a danger to Western Civilization and did not come with anything that did not stink of bigotry, ignorance, the inability to mind one's business, and xenophobia.

I have heard some people defend their bigotry based on their religious beliefs but I remember how during the 1960's some people used their religious beliefs to justify their prejudice against Catholics, Jews, and Afro-Americans.
Per your signature:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Not "the pursuit of Happiness unless it grosses us out", just "the pursuit of Happiness". This should extend up to the point that you're materially harming or endangering another person or her opportunity to pursue happiness, greatly harming or endangering the society, or unduly harming or endangering the planet.
 

zinfamous

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so how did they handle this problem during neolithic times??

before modern code of laws? why should anyone care?

before that Moses character?

wait wait wait...are you suggesting humans were around before we invented god? isn't "neolithic" sciencey talk that suggests devil worship?

say it ain't so!
 

Texashiker

Lifer
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Maybe he honestly believes these things about these separate issues. Pretty incredible how complex and varied one's opinions can be about different issues, eh? Even when those issues can be tangentially related (liberties).

We are a defender of liberty, that is until you say something negative about the government. Then we will kill you and your whole family with a drone strike.


Not "the pursuit of Happiness unless it grosses us out", just "the pursuit of Happiness". This should extend up to the point that you're materially harming or endangering another person or her opportunity to pursue happiness, greatly harming or endangering the society, or unduly harming or endangering the planet.

Soooo, when can we expect to see X, lsd, weed,,,, and other drugs legalized?

When can I set up a still and make my own whiskey?
 

OCGuy

Lifer
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What have I said in this thread that is homo-phobic?

I am questioning 2 things:

1, the government should stay out of the bedroom.

Only in a very under-developed brain would one equate consensual sexual behavior between adults with anything else that happens in a bedroom. You really do take logical fallacies to a new level.

"Stay out of the bedroom" is a euphemism for "Keep your ancient moral horseshit away from my sex life." It is not a plea to suspend the Penal Code when you enter the magical door to the part of your house that you happen to sleep and have sex. Murder? OK in the bedroom!

To answer your question (someone may have already pointed this out in this thread, the Supremes have already spoken on this) :

On June 26, 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court in a 6-3 decision in Lawrence v. Texas struck down the Texas same-sex sodomy law, ruling that this private sexual conduct is protected by the liberty rights implicit in the due process clause of the United States Constitution. This decision invalidated all state sodomy laws insofar as they applied to noncommercial conduct in private between consenting civilians and reversed the Court's 1986 ruling in Bowers v. Hardwick that upheld Georgia's sodomy law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas
 

Gooberlx2

Lifer
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I think there is an absolute answer, I don't think love is relative. With the exception of the very small percentage of the population who are unable to experience love as we understand it. It's an absolute.

That's all well and good until you're under the boot of a gov't that says "fuck your love, to the camps with you".

From a conceptual standpoint, there certainly can be "absolute rights", like love...which are relative to the person (or people) who hold those same values. But you're at the mercy of reasonable people and policies to be in agreement about those rights. So there's the concept of rights, and the practical implementation of rights.

Good luck arguing about the inalienable right to love who you please to Uganda.
 

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Lifer
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Gay men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than non-gay men.

That is straight from the CDC - http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm


If any other group of people were 17 times more like to get anything, the CDC would take action.

Bipolar men are 60x more lilkely kill themselves than non bipolar men.

If a bipolar man has a child there is a 1 in 4 chance that their child will also have bipolar disorder, if both parents are bipolar that goes up to 1 in 3, does that mean I should be banned from having children? Or the CDC should stop in and ban all mentally ill people from having children / sex?

That was in rebuttal to your drug argument, nothing more.

Crazy how out of context you can make anyone seem like anything. Out of context I've been able to make you seem homophobic!
 
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Lifer
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That's all well and good until you're under the boot of a gov't that says "fuck your love, to the camps with you".

From a conceptual standpoint, there certainly can be "absolute rights", like love...which are relative to the person (or people) who hold those same values. But you're at the mercy of reasonable people and policies to be in agreement about those rights. So there's the concept of rights, and the practical implementation of rights.

Good luck arguing about the inalienable right to love who you please to Uganda.

Just because love is an absolute moral right doesn't mean that governments will legislate it, I just think it should be accepted that all people with the capacity to consent should be able to love each other.
 

OCGuy

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You are going about this all wrong, OP. Think about it....gay sex has a 0% chance of ever leading to or creating:


- Minorities

- Atheists

- Another gay person

- Abortions

- Drug users



This sounds like a freakin' homerun, what is the problem???!!!
 

MagickMan

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As long as you aren't harming someone else, being who you want to be, regardless of your sexuality, is a fundamental freedom. I have to admit that I don't understand gay men, but I don't need to and it's not my business. :\
 

Texashiker

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Bipolar men are 60x more lilkely kill themselves than non bipolar men.

If a bipolar man has a child there is a 1 in 4 chance that their child will also have bipolar disorder, if both parents are bipolar that goes up to 1 in 3, does that mean I should be banned from having children? Or the CDC should stop in and ban all mental health people from having children / sex?

Please post source to backup your claim.


This sounds like a freakin' homerun, what is the problem???!!!

Never said I had a problem with gays.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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Please post source to backup your claim.




Never said I had a problem with gays.

This is as close as I can be bothered to google (first page I clicked on after searching for bipolar statistics)

Bipolar disorder results in 9.2 years reduction in expected life span, and as many as one in five patients with bipolar disorder completes suicide. (National Institute of Mental Health)

Children and Adolescents
Bipolar disorder is more likely to affect the children of parents who have the disorder. When one parent has bipolar disorder, the risk to each child is l5 to 30%. When both parents have bipolar disorder, the risk increases to 50 to 75%. (National Institute of Mental Health)

http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?pagename=education_statistics_bipolar_disorder

Slightly higher than the statistics I quoted!
 

z1ggy

Lifer
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You are going about this all wrong, OP. Think about it....gay sex has a 0% chance of ever leading to or creating:


- Minorities

- Atheists

- Another gay person

- Abortions

- Drug users



This sounds like a freakin' homerun, what is the problem???!!!

Holy crap I didn't think about it like this until now, solid and comedic point OC!

Now that TH understands that point, I think he will be purchasing a rainbow speedo and be first in line for this years gay pride parade, no??
 

K1052

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The OP seems to have a deep and lasting fascination with gay men having copious amounts of anal sex.

The lady doth protest too much.
 
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