Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right

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MrPickins

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I do not remember saying I do not like gay people.

I said when I see two gay men holding hands and/or kissing I feel like throwing up.

I may have said I was indifferent, not sure if that was posted in this thread or another.

That's right. You never come right out and say it, you just beat around the bush with statements like the above quote.
 

Texashiker

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That's right. You never come right out and say it, you just beat around the bush with statements like the above quote.

I will say this again, just for you.

I have a gay friend (male) who has been over to my house for drinks and to watch movies.

I have that gay friend and a lesbian on my facebook friends list. I even like their comments about their boy and girl friends.

When the lesbian posted a comment how her and her girlfriend did not get service at a restaurant, I felt sad for them.
 

Squeetard

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Homophobic people are insecure in their own masculinity.

It is a universal right to live our lives as we please as long as we do no harm to others.

Some people are uncomfortable with heterosexual PDA. Should we ban that? No.
 

MrPickins

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I will say this again, just for you.

I have a gay friend (male) who has been over to my house for drinks and to watch movies.

I have that gay friend and a lesbian on my facebook friends list. I even like their comments about their boy and girl friends.

When the lesbian posted a comment how her and her girlfriend did not get service at a restaurant, I felt sad for them.

You should share your posting history here with them and see if they still want to be friends with you.



And, as pointed out to you before, "I'm not homophobic! I have a gay friend" is just as dumb a statement as "I'm not racist! I have a black friend!"
 

z1ggy

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I am moving on with my life. My wife and I are building a rabbit cage this weekend, then we are building a small barn.




I do not remember saying I do not like gay people.

I said when I see two gay men holding hands and/or kissing I feel like throwing up.

I may have said I was indifferent, not sure if that was posted in this thread or another.

I'm trying to wrap my mind around how you are neutral toward gays, yet seeing them acting gay makes you vomit.

Is this comparison accurate:

You like roller coasters
Nobody forces you to ride roller coasters
Every single time you ride one, you vomit afterward because it makes you feel sick
...You still like riding roller coasters
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Mutual respect in the sense that, even though your lifestyles make each other physically ill, you admire each other's ability to smoke meat?

I hear TH is one the best sausage smokers in Texas. He should definitely smoke my sausage. Hell, he should smoke every sausage. Smoke a big bag of sausages, TH!
 

jhbball

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I will say this again, just for you.

I have a gay friend (male) who has been over to my house for drinks and to watch movies.

I have that gay friend and a lesbian on my facebook friends list. I even like their comments about their boy and girl friends.

When the lesbian posted a comment how her and her girlfriend did not get service at a restaurant, I felt sad for them.

And then proceeded to vomit everywhere?
 

werepossum

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Mutual respect in the sense that, even though your lifestyles make each other physically ill, you admire each other's ability to smoke meat?
LOL

I used to have the same reaction; I got over it. I don't think it has anything to do with varying comfort with my own sexuality, it's just that we are taught this is BAD. Just takes a little effort to get over it.

1. I recognize that this reaction serves no purpose.
2. I recognize that two men sharing a PDA does not threaten me or affect me at all except as I allow it to affect me.
3. I recognize that two consenting adults displaying affection is a good thing, not a bad thing.
4. Thus my reaction is stupid.
5. I do not wish to have stupid reactions, so I will no longer have this one.

Whole process took just a few minutes. Once you really admit in your heart that a particular reaction is stupid, useless and baseless, getting rid of it (absent some underlying trauma) is the simplest thing in the world. People like to say "I can't change the way I am." That's bullshit. Changing the way one thinks is virtually the only thing totally within one's power.

I cannot change reality, but I can change the way I react to it. By doing this I can materially change my own happiness and the happiness of others.
 

Retro Rob

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I used to have the same reaction; I got over it. I don't think it has anything to do with varying comfort with my own sexuality, it's just that we are taught this is BAD. Just takes a little effort to get over it.

Agree...somewhat.

I don't think someone should force themselves to be OK with something that causes their stomach to churn, but they must control their outward reaction.

I see gay guys, periodically, holding hands at my wife's job, but I nod and speak with a verbal greeting.

They're only people, after all.
 

nageov3t

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Agree...somewhat.

I don't think someone should force themselves to be OK with something that causes their stomach to churn, but they must control their outward reaction.

no one has to force themselves to be OK with anything, but if one's reaction to seeing two people holding hands is such visceral disgust that they have to hold back from throwing up on the spot, they might want to question where that disgust is coming from and what's going on inside their head to make that happen.

the only thing I can think of that literally "makes me want to puke" is kiddie porn/pedophiles. it's a strong emotion to have.
 

werepossum

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Agree...somewhat.

I don't think someone should force themselves to be OK with something that causes their stomach to churn, but they must control their outward reaction.

I see gay guys, periodically, holding hands at my wife's job, but I nod and speak with a verbal greeting.

They're only people, after all.
That's certainly the minimum demanded by basic human decency. I'm speaking more of internal reaction. I don't think there is any great moral force requiring that one be okay with something that bothers them, I'm just saying that we should all examine our prejudices for reasonableness and where we can see that our reactions are not sensible, change them. There is nothing inherent to the human condition that would cause the sight of two men displaying physical affection to be nauseating; this is strictly learned behavior no different from becoming nauseated from seeing an interracial couple kiss. We learn that something is disgusting; therefore it IS disgusting. If it really is not disgusting, why allow yourself to go around being wrong when it's within your power to change yourself? Why allow a nonsensical reaction when you can change it?

no one has to force themselves to be OK with anything, but if one's reaction to seeing two people holding hands is such visceral disgust that they have to hold back from throwing up on the spot, they might want to question where that disgust is coming from and what's going on inside their head to make that happen.

the only thing I can think of that literally "makes me want to puke" is kiddie porn/pedophiles. it's a strong emotion to have.
Exactly. It's bizarre to me that people who rent "Faces of death" will confide to becoming nauseated from seeing two guys kiss. That's just broken.
 

JulesMaximus

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In a statement released by the white house, obama slams Uganda for an anti-gay law they going to enact.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ment-president-anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda



Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right and on par with the right to vote, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, right to trial by jury,,,, and other unalienable human rights?

Come on, you aren't really this stupid are you? This bill criminalizes homosexuality, so they will be throwing people in prison for being gay... hell, they had the death penalty on the original version of the law but dropped that.

Do you really equate the right to vote or freedom of religion with a basic human dignity like not being tortured or killed because of who you love?

Personally, I think you're just trolling again.
 

Texashiker

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This bill criminalizes homosexuality, so they will be throwing people in prison for being gay... hell, they had the death penalty on the original version of the law but dropped that.

Do you realize president obama signed a law allowing the government to classify someone as a domestic terrorist. Which in turn would allows the government to detain that person forever and without due process.

And, president obama has allowed US citizens to be killed without due process. Regardless of what the person said, did,,,, whatever, we have certain rights that are supposed to be protected.

Why is it a big deal to throw gays in jail, but people excuse the crimes committed by our own government?
 

SheHateMe

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I hate watching gay guys kiss because it turns me on and I can't join in because I don't have meat.
 

alzan

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That's certainly the minimum demanded by basic human decency. I'm speaking more of internal reaction. I don't think there is any great moral force requiring that one be okay with something that bothers them, I'm just saying that we should all examine our prejudices for reasonableness and where we can see that our reactions are not sensible, change them. There is nothing inherent to the human condition that would cause the sight of two men displaying physical affection to be nauseating; this is strictly learned behavior no different from becoming nauseated from seeing an interracial couple kiss. We learn that something is disgusting; therefore it IS disgusting. If it really is not disgusting, why allow yourself to go around being wrong when it's within your power to change yourself? Why allow a nonsensical reaction when you can change it?


Exactly. It's bizarre to me that people who rent "Faces of death" will confide to becoming nauseated from seeing two guys kiss. That's just broken.

One becomes wiser when one acknowledges the stench of ones own shit?
 

DominionSeraph

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No. This is a thread where you can espouse your dislike for gay people under a very thin pretense of actual discussion.

This. Any discussion would have to be around you because your output is constantly corrupted by your underlying bias.
You're going to output nothing but garbage and you have a need to spew your garbage. Since we know this thread is going to be full of garbage, what's the point in trying to weave in lines here and there that lie along this emotional axis of yours, since you'll just attach and tangle them with your stupidity?

Tex, you're as useful here as nehalem is in a thread about women.
 
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