Is house-flipping back?

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Jimzz

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In DC they have been flipping for over a year now. NoVA values are starting to climb again but demand for POS houses in driving distance of a Metro stop is still high so its better to buy one and just put a quick coat of paint and sell as is.
 

manimal

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demand is going trough the roof in some markets where there are going to be shortages for 5-10 years till new home construction catches up with demand. We have been underdeveloping in many markets since 2008 so the demand has to go somewhere.

Really as aggregate demand picks up the economy as well as housing will have to catch up.
 

rh71

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Aug 28, 2001
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people are still flipping around here. 4 houses flipped in the surrounding streets still waiting for buyers though. They were about ~$350k ranches now about $700-800k colonials. The kicker is the property taxes go from about $8k to $15k-20k/yr.
 
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K1052

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Bay Area real estate is basically nuclear hot right now. People are getting into bidding wars thanks to the huge tech boom.

We are moving out there in March and will be paying a king's ransom in rent to live in SF proper.
 

alkemyst

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Flipping real-estate has never gone away. It's just the time where the average Joe no longer is in the market.
 

alkemyst

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Wow, that is brutal! Is that in New York or something?

You edited, but it could also be Florida. The worst place is our ocean front in Palm Beach. Same kind of construction can have almost 10x the tax rate as inland.
 

child of wonder

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I know a guy that runs a little business flipping houses. They pay cash for foreclosed homes, get them fixed up, and sell. He probably makes $500k-$1M a year depending on how business goes. He and his wife recently built a 7,000 square foot house on 13 acres of land, almost entirely paid for.

The downside is they work about 80 hours a week each.
 

Tweak155

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Sep 23, 2003
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I know a guy that runs a little business flipping houses. They pay cash for foreclosed homes, get them fixed up, and sell. He probably makes $500k-$1M a year depending on how business goes. He and his wife recently built a 7,000 square foot house on 13 acres of land, almost entirely paid for.

The downside is they work about 80 hours a week each.

Gee, give up another working career of your life for material things. That sounds worth it!

They might do it well enough to retire early, but once they get a taste of that money, I'm sure it is hard to give up. That's the biggest reason I don't go for the big money.
 

alkemyst

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Gee, give up another working career of your life for material things. That sounds worth it!

They might do it well enough to retire early, but once they get a taste of that money, I'm sure it is hard to give up. That's the biggest reason I don't go for the big money.

so being poor and miserable is better?
 

child of wonder

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Gee, give up another working career of your life for material things. That sounds worth it!

They might do it well enough to retire early, but once they get a taste of that money, I'm sure it is hard to give up. That's the biggest reason I don't go for the big money.

They probably are saving heavily for retirement. The house is the only extravagant purchase I know of. They drive a ~2010 Suburban and a ~2008 Mazda. Don't own a ton of boats, snowmobiles, or other toys.

They seem like pretty decent people, working hard, and making a ton of money. They've been knocking it out of the park for the last 3+ years. I'd be shocked if they didn't retire by age 50 (they're in their late 30's now).
 

Tweak155

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They probably are saving heavily for retirement. The house is the only extravagant purchase I know of. They drive a ~2010 Suburban and a ~2008 Mazda. Don't own a ton of boats, snowmobiles, or other toys.

They seem like pretty decent people, working hard, and making a ton of money. They've been knocking it out of the park for the last 3+ years. I'd be shocked if they didn't retire by age 50 (they're in their late 30's now).

Then they're doing it just for $$ if they're not spending it.

What's the point of retiring at 50? That's still more time worked if you're working even 30% additional hours, let alone 100% (40 hr time scale, also I assume retiring age is around 65?).

If they retire at 40 that makes sense to me.

EDIT: Bad math. Let's assume you start working at 18 so that makes 65 - 18 = 47yrs. So they'd have to work roughly 50% more hours consistently to match just working 40hrs until 65.
 
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Tweak155

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You sound bitter, what is you retirement plan?'

Not everyone hates their job either.

I'm not bitter, that was just a completely stupid statement.

You don't have to be poor under $500k/yr. You know you know this.

What income do you consider poor?
 

Train

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House a few blocks from me was bought off a foreclosure for $150k, sold 6 months later for $239k, they barely did any upgrades to it.

sigh
 

alkemyst

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I'm not bitter, that was just a completely stupid statement.

You don't have to be poor under $500k/yr. You know you know this.

What income do you consider poor?

No bro, you are being stupid here.

For most retiring at 50 would never happen, now you whine "how come they don't do it at 40?"

Also even the high earners are staying in the game longer since many are living way past 70 now. They may be retired more than they worked in their lives by 2-3x.

When you retire at 40 and have a plan for your next possible 50+ years, let us know.
 

Tweak155

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No bro, you are being stupid here.

For most retiring at 50 would never happen, now you whine "how come they don't do it at 40?"

Also even the high earners are staying in the game longer since many are living way past 70 now. They may be retired more than they worked in their lives by 2-3x.

When you retire at 40 and have a plan for your next possible 50+ years, let us know.

Retiring at 50 but working 2x the hours is NOT less work. Try basic math.

I'd rather have more of my younger years to do what I want vs trading them for my older years.
 

Blackjack200

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They probably are saving heavily for retirement. The house is the only extravagant purchase I know of. They drive a ~2010 Suburban and a ~2008 Mazda. Don't own a ton of boats, snowmobiles, or other toys.

They seem like pretty decent people, working hard, and making a ton of money. They've been knocking it out of the park for the last 3+ years. I'd be shocked if they didn't retire by age 50 (they're in their late 30's now).

goddamn, I need to learn this game.
 

Tweak155

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Sep 23, 2003
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No bro, you are being stupid here.

For most retiring at 50 would never happen, now you whine "how come they don't do it at 40?"

Also even the high earners are staying in the game longer since many are living way past 70 now. They may be retired more than they worked in their lives by 2-3x.

When you retire at 40 and have a plan for your next possible 50+ years, let us know.

Maybe easier to understand for you...

80hrs/person/wk at $500k/yr is the same as $125k/person/yr at 40hrs/person/wk.

Would you rather work 40hrs/wk at $125k or 80hrs at $250k? I'd rather take the time off and lose the money. However buying / building a 7000sqft house will require you to continue bringing in that higher wage for a longer period of time.

If they bought a cheaper house they could retire a lot earlier, as an example.
 

Blackjack200

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Maybe easier to understand for you...

80hrs/person/wk at $500k/yr is the same as $125k/person/yr at 40hrs/person/wk.

Would you rather work 40hrs/wk at $125k or 80hrs at $250k? I'd rather take the time off and lose the money. However buying / building a 7000sqft house will require you to continue bringing in that higher wage for a longer period of time.

If they bought a cheaper house they could retire a lot earlier, as an example.

What are you trying to prove here? All work is not the same. I probably spend an additional 20 hours a week on my side business but enjoy it far more than the 45 I spend at my job. It's really fun to build something and see it develop. You act like those 80 hours are all spent suffering. They are flipping houses, that means that the time is spent looking at houses, making deals with banks, managing (or performing) the upgrades, then selling. All interesting stuff.

They're probably good friends with many of their business contacts and get a lot of enjoyment out of it. Good for them.
 

alkemyst

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Maybe easier to understand for you...

80hrs/person/wk at $500k/yr is the same as $125k/person/yr at 40hrs/person/wk.

Would you rather work 40hrs/wk at $125k or 80hrs at $250k? I'd rather take the time off and lose the money. However buying / building a 7000sqft house will require you to continue bringing in that higher wage for a longer period of time.

If they bought a cheaper house they could retire a lot earlier, as an example.

It's not really anywhere near that as you have completely forgotten even basic compound interest.

It's clear you are against wealth.
 

Imported

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Sep 2, 2000
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The market in the Bay Area has cooled off a bit in terms of inventory. There are some houses available, but you'll likely be bidding against contractors. For example..one of my friends bid above asking price on a house and a contractor came in $10k above his last offer with a full cash offer - and this was a $600k+ house.

This is happening everywhere in the Bay Area. Friends are going through the same thing right now. We've decided not to even bother looking to buy for a few years. Started looking last year but we can't compete with full cash offers. Hoping for a market correction/crash/whatever or we'll just end up renting for a long while.
 
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