Is hyundai quality good yet?

[Fritzo]

2006 Sonata GL with less than 67,000 miles:

This Ferrari 599 had 4800 miles on it:

 

[Eureka]

Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

I thought though it's not particularly good to pop into neutral and just coast? Even if it is... It drains MPGs for sure. You'd still need to have your foot on the brake in traffic too..Even if you are just sitting there not moving. Then you need to press in your (potentially heavy clutch) and shift into gear...Maybe shift into 2nd.. then go right back into 1st.. Rinse and repeat over and over and over....I just am no longer a fan of it.

The reason why you want to keep it in gear to coast is because you want control of the accelerator in case of an emergency. When you're moving 0-5mph in gridlock traffic, there's really very little need to accelerate instantly.

For me, on flat highways, I don't need my brakes. My car doesn't usually roll and I end up sitting there.

It's not that manuals aren't tedious in traffic, it's that I find all traffic to be tedious, manual or not. I'd rather have the manual when I want to have it. Not to mention all the ridicule you'll get for buying a sports car with a slushbox (it's not even a DSG).

Also, a little more input on the car... it's very easy to drive, so to speak. It's got great torque, and a relatively flat torque band, so it's smooth getting around (once you get the hang of the clutch/tranny). It's pretty stable and it understeers for a RWD, so you won't be breaking loose often. In fact, that's probably one of it's biggest disadvantages... it's relatively boring to drive.

 

[ss284]

The past couple of hyundai's (sonara/elantra) I've rented felt kind of cheap and hallow compared to the ford (focus) and even chevy (cruze) that I've also been put in. These were 2012-2013 model years.

 

[SniperWulf]

Do yourself a favor and take it for a fairly decent test drive. Once you drive it, you'll either love it or say meh.

I had a 2010 3.8 Track with manual trans. LOVED that car. Then life happened. If it weren't for that, I'd still be grinning on my commute to work.

 

[BassBomb]

I don't really like my GF's Elantra Coupe... feature wise it was loaded but I couldn't stand driving it and I don't like the dash finish at all

 

[z1ggy]

The reason why you want to keep it in gear to coast is because you want control of the accelerator in case of an emergency. When you're moving 0-5mph in gridlock traffic, there's really very little need to accelerate instantly.

For me, on flat highways, I don't need my brakes. My car doesn't usually roll and I end up sitting there.

It's not that manuals aren't tedious in traffic, it's that I find all traffic to be tedious, manual or not. I'd rather have the manual when I want to have it. Not to mention all the ridicule you'll get for buying a sports car with a slushbox (it's not even a DSG).

Also, a little more input on the car... it's very easy to drive, so to speak. It's got great torque, and a relatively flat torque band, so it's smooth getting around (once you get the hang of the clutch/tranny). It's pretty stable and it understeers for a RWD, so you won't be breaking loose often. In fact, that's probably one of it's biggest disadvantages... it's relatively boring to drive.

Meh if one bases his car choice on the outcome of what others will say about it/him.. Then you aren't really buying the car for yourself, you're just buying it to impress people.

Interesting about the understeer. But are you comparing this to say, a BMW or something? What other cars for around 30k will offer the same level of performance? Looks and interior bits aside..I think it's a good value.

I'm still struggling with buying the car right now though. It's sad to think if I pick it up this weekend, that within 3-4 weeks I will have to spend about $1300 for wheels and snow tires.. Just doesn't sit well with me. I know I will have to buy them eventually, but it still sucks to dish out that much cash right away.

 

[WilliamM2]

According to Consumer Reports, the Genesis is one of the ten least reliable cars:

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-10-least-reliable-cars-181031192.html

I keep reading how much better Hyundai cars are now, but everyone I personally know that has bought one (or a Kia) has had reliability issues.

 

[nerp]

According to Consumer Reports, the Genesis is one of the ten least reliable cars:

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-10-least-reliable-cars-181031192.html

I keep reading how much better Hyundai cars are now, but everyone I personally know that has bought one (or a Kia) has had reliability issues.

Not one Chrysler product on the list. La la la. . .

 

[thomsbrain]

It's pretty clear from objective test results that they grossly overstate their power and fuel economy numbers, and they still can't tune a suspension or steering rack worth a damn. The Genesis coupe in particular is not a good driving car, regardless of build quality.

As for whether they are building 300,000 mile engines at this point, I think we will need to wait a few more years for the last couple generations of Sonatas to get the chance to get that many miles.

 

[ThatsABigOne]

According to Consumer Reports, the Genesis is one of the ten least reliable cars:

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-10-least-reliable-cars-181031192.html

I keep reading how much better Hyundai cars are now, but everyone I personally know that has bought one (or a Kia) has had reliability issues.

Take Consumer Reports with a grain of salt. They even took off Honda Accord of the list.

 

[BassBomb]

It's pretty clear from objective test results that they grossly overstate their power and fuel economy numbers, and they still can't tune a suspension or steering rack worth a damn. The Genesis coupe in particular is not a good driving car, regardless of build quality.

As for whether they are building 300,000 mile engines at this point, I think we will need to wait a few more years for the last couple generations of Sonatas to get the chance to get that many miles.

Fiance is entitled to cash rebates from t he company, paid out over the life of the vehicle since the fuel economy numbers were overstated

The throttle response just plain sucked,

 

[Fritzo]

Not one Chrysler product on the list. La la la. . .

LOL. I'm at war with Chrysler at their "lets put overpowered engines and do the absolute least we can get away with on everything else in our cars" attitude.

 

[Eureka]

Meh if one bases his car choice on the outcome of what others will say about it/him.. Then you aren't really buying the car for yourself, you're just buying it to impress people.

Interesting about the understeer. But are you comparing this to say, a BMW or something? What other cars for around 30k will offer the same level of performance? Looks and interior bits aside..I think it's a good value.

I'm still struggling with buying the car right now though. It's sad to think if I pick it up this weekend, that within 3-4 weeks I will have to spend about $1300 for wheels and snow tires.. Just doesn't sit well with me. I know I will have to buy them eventually, but it still sucks to dish out that much cash right away.

At $30k, you're look at the all of the American pony cars, the 370Z, the hot-hatches (WRX, Mazdaspeed3, GTI, Focus ST), and I'm not sure if you can bag an entry level 1-series at that price range. Price up a few more grand and you're looking at STIs, EVOs, 3-series, and any of the V8 pony cars. If you can wait, the new (2015) Mustang should be a monster.

As for handling characteristics, I'm comparing it to the RX8 and the 350Z, which seem to be more turn-happy than the GC.

According to Consumer Reports, the Genesis is one of the ten least reliable cars:

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-10-least-reliable-cars-181031192.html

I keep reading how much better Hyundai cars are now, but everyone I personally know that has bought one (or a Kia) has had reliability issues.

I don't know if I'd trust consumer reports.. they're not exactly reliable. And anecdote on anecdote, anyone I know who has a Hyundai/Kia from the last 3-4 years have had no issues so far.

 

[Jimzz]

According to Consumer Reports, the Genesis is one of the ten least reliable cars:

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-10-least-reliable-cars-181031192.html

I keep reading how much better Hyundai cars are now, but everyone I personally know that has bought one (or a Kia) has had reliability issues.

That's based on consumer reports, one of the worst for reliability. They ONLY survey people that pay for their magazine.

 

[cheez]

The past couple of hyundai's (sonara/elantra) I've rented felt kind of cheap and hallow compared to the ford (focus) and even chevy (cruze) that I've also been put in. These were 2012-2013 model years.

I drove '12 Accent and it was solid and felt nice driving. The reason why you felt Focus and Cruze more solid is because they've got more metals = More weight. While Cruze's styling is nice and has solid feel the car is too heavy and has weak engine. It takes over 10 seconds to get to 60. Elantra takes 8 seconds.

Interesting about the understeer. But are you comparing this to say, a BMW or something? What other cars for around 30k will offer the same level of performance? Looks and interior bits aside..I think it's a good value.

I think it's a good value for the quality and performance. Some russian test driver took the original Gene Coupe out in the Nurburgring track and got some real impressive time, only a little slower than the BMW 335i record lap. The Gene Coupe that was tested was automatic.

I'm still struggling with buying the car right now though. It's sad to think if I pick it up this weekend, that within 3-4 weeks I will have to spend about $1300 for wheels and snow tires.. Just doesn't sit well with me. I know I will have to buy them eventually, but it still sucks to dish out that much cash right away.

While the Gene Coupe handles as good as BMW 3 series for pure performance I would go with the Nissan 370z. It's just plain better in cornering and power. The Genesis Sedan is a different animal.. Why don't you just save up a little more and get the Genesis Sedan 4.6? I test drove a '10 model 3 years ago and I took it to the highway. Holly crap... the power was amazing, got it up to 130 mph in no time. It pulled like a bat out of hell... The Genesis Sedan 4.6 (and up) is a highway demon. They will rape the Gene Coupe like a cup cake V6, manual or not in the highway. I was impressed of the build quality. The leather wrapped steering wheel and dash was nice, everything around me was nicely padded including B-pillars and glove box. They are delicate and soft like baby skin. The only thing that wasn't padded was the center console by the shifter. It's just hard plastic whereas the Lexus LS460 is padded. The front visibility was nice due to the design of the dash. But I didn't go with it as it's not my cup of tea as far as styling (in and out) and size is concerned. I like cozy little interior.

At $30k, you're look at the all of the American pony cars, the 370Z, the hot-hatches (WRX, Mazdaspeed3, GTI, Focus ST), and I'm not sure if you can bag an entry level 1-series at that price range. Price up a few more grand and you're looking at STIs, EVOs, 3-series, and any of the V8 pony cars.

You can't get 370z for 30k. With some options they go up $40k easily. The cheapest I could find was around $36k. But agreed, save a little more and get the 370z. It's much better. Mazdaspeed 3 doesn't cost 30k. You can get them for $25~ 26k.

As for handling characteristics, I'm comparing it to the RX8 and the 350Z, which seem to be more turn-happy than the GC.

That's because 350z has shorter wheelbase. So it's going to be more nimble and faster turning response. The Gene Coupe wasn't built to compete against those sports cars. It's meant to compete the G35/37.




Hyundai overall is still sub-par compared to other highly competing brands. The only Hyundai car that's built like tank is the Genesis Sedan. I wouldn't look at any other hyundai models including the gene coupe. The Genesis Sedan is similar to when the very first gen Lexus LS400 debuted in 1990. This car is a different animal altogether.


cheez

 

[Vdubchaos]

Hyundai makes great cars.

I recommend it over Honda/Toyotas

And just about ANY German car when it comes to reliability/quality.

Quality gaps have been closed down quite a bit since the 80s/90s and early 2000s.

Hyundai of today is NOTHING like the Excel of the 80s. Think of it as Samsung, remember their crap back then?

Look at Samsung now, Hyundai is no different.

 

[xapo99]

The thing also to note about the Korean stuff (this also includes electronics from Samsung et al) is they sometimes improve their quality almost overnight. We looked at this Kia Sportage 110bhp Diesel with a 5 speed and it drove ok, bit gutless and noisy. The following week, there was another Sportage, outwardsy identical, same trim etc, but 140bhp engine, 6 speed, and man was it quieter, and smoother...night and day. So there might be a 'silent' revision model newer than the model someone might be eyeing up to buy.

 

[xapo99]

This Ferrari 599 had 4800 miles on it:

That is the Pentium 4 Extreme edition.

 

[CrackRabbit]

2011 Sonata (purchased May 2010), Other than a paint issue every other problem I've had with the car has been covered by a recall.
I'd have no problem purchasing another Hyundai.