Is Intel In Trouble?

[Double Trouble]

<<95% of the problems people have with AMD's (and VIA chipsets) can be corrected with the current 4in1 drivers. >>

Corporations are not like enthusiasts like most people here. They don't want to mess with having to use the latest drivers to fix problems. They want something integrated that will not cause problems, will continue to work, and can be easily replaced again in about 3 years. End of story, no tweaking, fixing, testing etc etc. THAT's why Intel still owns a huge proportion of the corporate market.

I personally like the fact that AMD is competing so well with Intel, we all benefit from it.... but like IBM, I think Intel is about to wake up and come back with a vengeance.

 

[Mookow]

Of the recent computer purchases by people that I know, about 80% at least asked for my/got my input. Whether or not they followed my advice, is a different matter, but I'd say I made a difference in about 50% of the buying decisions. I may not have made much computer purchases recently, but I affected about $2,500 worth of computer upgrades/purchases in the last 6 months. My point is that average people ask the techs that they know about what to buy, so techs are a bigger influence than the percentage of the population of techs would suggest.

 

[4824guy]

<< Is Intel In Trouble? >>

they can't be in trouble, their stock went UP big time today, lol.

They are a solid company and will evolve and continue to do well, if not great if they have a new break thru before AMD or anyone else does.

 

[Hanpan]

Let me jsut remind everyone that by the latest figuires intel is a 193,411.00 million dollar company.

(that's )193 billion dollars. AMD on teh other hand is just over 5% of that or 10,266.61 (10 billion).

Now intel should not underestimate amd but at least in the short run amd will not take over intel. REmeber intel is still almsot 20 times the size of amd.

 

[seewhy]

People who thinks intel is too big to be introuble, consider this: Dell is the standard right now in the corporate market, but 6 years ago Micheal Dell was still selling PC out of his dorm. Things can change dramatically in a matter of few years. If there are good solid PC builders stand behind AMD, and AMD keeps up the good work and come up with great CPU and solid chip set like the 760MP and work with companies like NVidia and VIA to get industry support, things can change quickly in a couple of years.

5 years from now, people may think AMD IS the standard instead of Intel.

 

[randomlinh]

<< Techs, geeks, and salespersons are the people who turn brand recognition into a force to be reckoned with[/q/

heheh.. i think salespersons should be left out.. like the ones at best buy

 

[Hanpan]

YOur right about dell but then ask yourself what processors does dell use?

 

[Snoop]

<< Like I said I personally would not want to work in an environment that used AMD/VIA systems at this point in time. >>


You have to be kidding? You may like Intel better than AMD, but to exclaim that you would rather quit your job because your company decided to use a more cost effective computing solution is incredbly stupid IMO.


<< After working in an all Intel environment, >>


LOL, The closed mindedness of some of you people is appalling. How can you take such a highly biased stance without some first hand knowledge? Think about it, do you believe everything you ever read? Does being a &quot;known name&quot; make one product better than another?
If more people like you were around we would still be using Voodoo 2's and pentium 2 400's. I cannot even imagine what memory prices would be right now if it was'nt for the &quot;lamers&quot; at AMD.


<< Sorry wyvrn but I have read about more than just SB related problems on this board when dealing with VIA. >>


If they have SOO many problems, I wonder why anand uses them to host his website?

 

[BFG10K]

Personally I am waiting to see how those new P3 processors (Tuatlin or something like that) turn out. They'll have 512 KB full speed L2 caches and will be clocked higher than the current P3s.

 

[Raspewtin]

I think Intel appreciates AMD to some degree, it prevents them from being considered a monopoly, while they still own virtually all the market. I don't think they are too worried about AMD, and probably more worried about the general slump in PC sales. I am sure Microsoft at times wishes they had a AMD (hence the 250 million investment in Apple)

 

[dowxp]

<< If they have SOO many problems, I wonder why anand uses them to host his website? >>




cuz he knows better. and probably cheaper at the time no? but intel doesnt care about anand.

1) consumers knows that 1.7 is greater than 1.4, which one?
2) pentium is a household name as much as coke is. if u ask them them thunderbird they will say ford.
3) we are a small share of the market. intel isnt going anywhere. they good marketing stuff with blueman and the intel logo and song. what else?

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;probably more worried about the general slump in PC sales.&quot;

You said it!

And actually, The Blue Man Group has been the most successful marketing campaign ever for Intel. Even more so than the &quot;dancing bunny suits&quot;.

My two boys love the commercials.

 

[DisposableHero]

well i am changing to AMD now.. so they lost my biz

 

[inqztive]

I am currently doing Ph.D. in Aerospace Engineering at Virginia Tech. This year Our department has bought few AMD computers for the first time. So things are definitely changing for AMD as far as big orders are concerned.

 

[dowxp]

<< We are only a 3-5 years from a 50/50 split! IMO. >>




someone can tell the future?

 

[Plantanthera]

The market is relatively slow right now, and would hurt if AMD could grab 2% of Intel market share.

OT... Personally I would love to have AMD servers after reading the review, but it is too late and my office can't wait for AMD...because just ordered 6 dual Xenon IBM servers today

 

[cavingjan]

The computer industry is big enough to support two large chip supppliers and I hope neither company gets too greedy to upset this balance. I remember right before the slotA came out that every IT person I worked with said AMD would fall flat on their faces because you can't use the same motherbaord for both an Intel chip and an AMD chip like the days of socket 7. To me this just showed that there is room for two. But I doubt a third could hop in and have all of them survive.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Dell shuck the dorm room motif back in the late 386? They got really big and reliable with the early 486s and then had problems on the latter 486s before cleaning up their act again by early 95. My second, third and fourth computers were Dells. Ah the wondesr of the 386SX16, 386SX25, and a workhorse 486DX2 66. I'm still using the mouse, keyboard, case and floppy drives (including the 5 1/4) from that last one as my server case.

 

[theplanb]

Go Cyrix!

 

[bigd480]

Just curious: can anyone name a Fortune 500 company that uses more AMD processors than Intels? Fortune 1000? any company larger than 1000 employees even?

(AMD itself doesn't count)

 

[mchammer187]

no, they still dominate the desktop market, they have their brand recognition ( a lot of the non computer people i know have never heard of AMD ), AMD is just beginning to breach the workstation/server market with Athlon MP and they are more than 10 times bigger than AMD.
They will be around for a LONG time, they should be concerned with AMD but I don't think they are worried. AMD vs Intel has been good for us anyways, it has brought the price of cpus way down and forced Intel to move at a faster pace. I doubt intel would have hit 800mhz by now if AMD and the athlon were never introduced. Having AMD here will in the long run only make Intel a better company (or try to be)

 

[Degenerate]

Well, i really need to sleep but seeming that there is some good discussion here:

Not way, they cant be worried. remember that every new CPu design takes 3-4+ years to make and cost billions. if one company can make a slightly better chip thatn the other this time, it means aboslutly nothing about the future. AMD in Intel eyes probably &quot; oh yes, they sure did make a nice chip, at the right time too, we didnt expect this much but hey, lets spend some money now and build some good fabs and work on the next chip.&quot; intel has their P4 now and i am sure that will go down well. remeber too the p4 was was probably nearly finished when the athlons and p3's were making their trails hot.




<< Price. Intel has been recently forced to abandon premium pricing, which it has come to rely on. The fallout of this recent move hasn't yet been thoroughly felt. In time, I believe this event will prove to have taken a big bite out of Intel's cash flow. >>



surely it will result in less money for any company, but remeber since that AMD is selling their chips cheaper, which is good for me! , they ar e making less moeny still (p3 and Athlons) .

 

[shathal]

no, they still dominate the desktop market, they have their brand recognition ( a lot of the non computer people i know have never heard of AMD ), AMD is just beginning to breach the workstation/server market with Athlon MP and they are more than 10 times bigger than AMD.
They will be around for a LONG time, they should be concerned with AMD but I don't think they are worried. AMD vs Intel has been good for us anyways, it has brought the price of cpus way down and forced Intel to move at a faster pace. I doubt intel would have hit 800mhz by now if AMD and the athlon were never introduced. Having AMD here will in the long run only make Intel a better company (or try to be)

What sort of computer people do you know? This sounds somewhat like people who are astronauts and have never heard of Yuri Gagarin or Laika or Sputnik. He who is into computers will (at least) know Intel and AMD - Cyrix is something that can be forgiven .

AMD and servers - that is going to be something interested. I foresee that they will burn their fingers a few times, before they get it right - especially if they decide to go &quot;bigger&quot; SMP - with the Hammer-family &amp; so on. Servers are a lot more &quot;sensitive&quot; than Desktops - and their main idea is UPTIME. It took Intel a few attempts to get it right - one can argue whether they're there now. So - I doubt that AMD will manage something that the whole of humanity has not - learn from history .

Intel - as I've said before - is very much interested in keeping AMD alive (thus I doubt &quot;hostile takeover&quot; will happen). Just look at M$ - then you know why Intel is interested in keeping AMD. The thing is - Intel would prefer keeping AMD where it is - at 15% odd market-share. Intel doesn't mind &quot;sharing&quot;, as long as it is clearly winning.

I doubt seriously that Intel will be &quot;going&quot; any time soon - they've got a heck of a lot of things - has any of you check their sites? They're into Networking (LAN/WAN), have those horrible &quot;Intel Play&quot; toys (*brrr*) and the list goes on &amp; on. The do quite a few things besides processors - most people just don't know about it. As such, I would say that Intel is to stay, for at least a while.

AMD has to do some serious OEM-wins, to worry Intel more - not that the market-slump is not proving worrying for both.

Anyway - that's my 2p on the matter .

 

[Texmaster]

A lot of you guys are really jumping the gun here with AMD.

Intel still has total control of about 75-80% of the computer market. To say that AMD is gaining in lower and higher end PCs would be accurate, saying they are taking over is ludicrius.

AMD I believe has proven that they cant expand into the motherboard chipset market with their latest creation do they are going to have to partner with a chipset company. So far its been VIA. and VIA has problems. Like it or not, they have tweaking problems witht hei chipsets that the majority of users and the vast majority of businesses will not put up with.

We will because we like tweaking but most people dont and that is one of the major reasons AMD is still lagging behind.

AMD also doesn't have the hardware relationships that Intel has with companies and that also slows them down.

And their heat problems are serious. We dont care because it just means slapping on a bigger fan but most people and especailly businesses dont build their own. They want something that works from the getgo and will have the smallest amount of problems and like it or not, that aint AMD.

The only one that can hurt Intel is Intel itself.

 

[EvanFerguson]

intel still has a huge market share compared to amd you know.......

not to mention intel has something they can never use, their name on their products. Which, to the ill-informed, is a good thing

 

[slipperyslope]

wyvrn,

You mention the 4in1 drivers for the via chipset. I work as a tech support for my university so I do alot of imaging and setups for computers. I personally love being able to install Win98 and all the applications then going into safe mode, pulling all the hardware out then creating an image. This image will then install on ANY machine. Any intel chipset machine I will say without having to install anything else.

From then all I have to do is image the machine and let it bootup. If you throw via crapset's into play then that is a whole different ballgame. I will then have to make a DIFFERENT image for other machines. It complicates life. How many chipset updates did you see for the BX chipset??? I don't remember one. It is because intel took the time to develop a GOOD chipset. If via took the time to do the same then I would be completely pumped about AMD in the business place. Otherwise they are dead in the water.

Don't get me wrong my system is a Duron 600 o/ced to 900 with an ABIT KT7. I just would never recommend AMD systems to anyone that will have to setup lots of different systems.

Jim