Is it easy getting disability pay?

Mai72

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Just talked to a friend who is trying to get disability. He says his back is bad, but I think he just wants a free paycheck. He doesn't like to work and bounces from job to job.

What are his chances of actually getting disability, and can he get it for the remainder of his life? He's only 34 years old.
 

Gooberlx2

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The first time one claims, Social Security pretty much automatically denies everyone as procedure. Then you have to hire a lawyer, and trudge through another year or more of a bazillion appointments with docs and shrinks and court appearances and finally get awarded disability if everyone deems the claim valid.

So, if he's committed to a two+ year process and can withstand the scrutiny of a bunch of medical professionals and a judge, then maybe. At least that was our experience.

At only 34 years old, he probably doesn't have enough work credits to live very well either and would have to apply for SSI.
 
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Sonikku

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If anything it is only too easy, as more people are getting on the bandwagon all the time.
 

John Connor

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Need a case worker or lawyer and pray. Provided he has enough quarters from his last job he may only qualify for SSI which doesn't pay shit. I was on SSI at one time. You can't live on it.

BTW- I would make sure your friend has medical and/or chiropractor files on him. Social Security will want it.

I too have a back problem that I need surgery for.
 
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Sniper82

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It's not as easy as most think. I know people that was fighting for 3+ years for it due to back problems. Lawyers aren't always needed. I knew someone that got denied by a lawyer because he didn't think they had a chance but they eventually got it without a lawyer.
 

sportage

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Feb 1, 2008
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Don't believe all the bull cocky about getting on SS disability.
Federal SS disability approval is EXTREMELY HARD to get!

First off, it takes years.
For sure 2 and more likely 3 full years, and THAT is IF your disability qualifies at all.
SS administration WILL deny you several times no matter how disabled you are.

Then, you have all the paper work required by the social security disability administration from doctors that will be the nightmare in itself.
Form after form required by SS administration.
Doctors poo-poo-ing their filling out of forms because they just do not want to do it, AND claim not to have the time nor the desire to fill out YOUR forms.

Then... when the doc should get around to actually filling out forms, but only after YOU hound the doctor office FOR WEEKS and MONTHS, then only will you discover either the doctor ~or~ the SS administration lost the forms: SORRY, WE NEVER RECEIVED ANY FORMS.

Doctor: WE SENT THEM IN.
SS administration: WELL WE NEVER GOT THEM.
Doctor: WELL WE SENT THEM IN.
SS administration: WELL WE NEVER GOT THEM.
Doctor: WELL WE SENT THEM IN.
SS administration: WELL WE NEVER GOT THEM.

And mind you THIS is YOU doing all the leg work and telephone work.
No one will fight your battles on your behalf besides YOU.
The doctor doesn't give a damn. The SS administration doesn't give a damn.

So now... you will wonder did the doctor lie about filling out the forms?
Did the doctor lose the forms?
Did the doctor actually ever send in the forms?
Did the SS administration lose the the forms?
Is the SS administration trying to drive you insane?

That mystery alone will take 8 to 12 months to figure out and hopefully correct.
You, again, must hound the doctor(s) daily, weekly, monthly to get the doctor to re-fill-out the forms all over AGAIN, then re-send the forms back in to SSDI all over AGAIN.
Will they cooperate?
Don't hold your breath...
This will not be easy.
At least another 8 - 12 months totally wasted time.

All while YOU have NO income coming in per-SSDI requirements.
And if you should become employed even for one hour or one day, the SS administration will drop your claim like a hot potato if they find you have worked.
So plan on living penniless and in poverty down your parents basement or a friends basement until hopefully you get approved three years down the long hard road.

Getting a lawyer is usually pointless as well because that attorney will not get much further than you can yourself, plus, they will take most if not all of that first huge SSDI settlement check.
If and when you should EVER get SSDI approved, that is...
And that attorney will end up as just another telephone number on your daily list to call, hound, every day, week, month trying to get answers. ANY ANSWERS!
The attorney will require YOU do all the paper work, leg work, calling of your doctors to get things in motion or more likely re-motioned when everything seems to have just stopped. Then... your attorney just takes all your settlement money.

To even be considered for SSDI you absolutely CAN NOT be working.
So if you are able to sponge off relatives, or live with relatives for pretty much 2 - 3 years with yourself poor as a church mouse, then you have hurdled at least one major obstacle.

In the end, you have to really be disabled. And with an SSDI qualifying disability.
Which IS NOT easily done!
You MUST prove exactly that to social security disability with doctor statements, and tons of medical records, and also with employer sourced work history records.
HA HA--- Good Luck with THAT cooperation !!!

Most people just simply give up. THAT IS FACT!!!
Most people are not able to get the doctors to cooperate even if they do deserve disability.
Most people do not have the durability to go thru this hard painful lengthly process.
It will drive one 100% totally insane.

In the old days, during the 1980's and early 90's, AIDS was about the only disability that was fast tracked by federal SS disability SSDi.
Usually, one could get fully permanent SS disability approved within 3 - 6 months.
But with todays HIV medications and treatments, SS disability no longer considers HIV nor AIDS as life threatening or as an disability qualifying event.
Those cases today where SSDI will qualify HIV people are very rare, and that person and the doctor(s) must prove treatment is failing and or not working.
Which failing testament is very rare occurrence with todays advanced HIV medications.

Sad fact is, most people that do or should be on SS disability regardless of illness and disability, die far before federal SSDI approves them for SSDI disability.

Another fact, it is easier to get "partial" SS disability and keep working.
Where your income from employment is supplemented by SS disability, with reduce working hours.
I.e. a full time employed person that becomes disabled and limited SSDi approved can cut back to 20 - 30 hours a work week, with SS disability making up the difference in loss of pay.
BUT... employers DO NOT like the SS administration to regulate an employees working hours. Where that employer needs a 40 hour full time worker, but that employee can only work 20 or 30 hours a week.
So that employer WILL find a way to kick your ass out of the company.
One way or another, you will lose your job in the case where the employee can no longer work their assigned 40 hour week, even after SS disability has approved that employee for limited disability along with a limited work week.

At one time in California, Im not sure about current situation, but at one time old CA had their own type of state disability that was a lot easier to get and qualify for.
Especially for short termed disability lasting only 6 - 12 months.
Thousands of CA state workers took advantage of the generous CA disability system.
It was pretty easy.
Any teacher, any state worker, any police officer, any fire fighter, any state social worker could claim STRESS from their job and qualify for CA disability.
While collecting CA disability, they applied for permanent federal SSDI disability.
If one could get approved for permanent federal SS disability, waiting for that 2 - 3 year SSDI approval, then one could at least survive on their CA supplied state disability checks until approved for permanent federal SS disability.
But that ease of getting CA state disability was what eventually bankrupted the state of California and resulted in Gray Davis recall. At least that was one of the reasons CA went BK.
So I have no idea if CA state disability is still the same now, still easily obtained, or not.
But that was California.
Most all other people not resident in CA have to go the federal SSDI disability route.
Which is still a nightmare. Especially for those really hurting and truly disabled.

Yeah, its a common "takers vs givers" baloney stereo type bull cocky that getting approved for federal SS disability is some cake walk.
Don't believe it.
Only a moron will lead you to believe differently.
And 99% of Fox News.
Oh, add in there Mitt Romney, naturally.

It takes years for SSDI approval.
You must have full cooperation from a doctor.
You must be totally not working due to your disability for the entire duration of the approval process.
And, you must actually be disabled i.e. unable to work at all.
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BoomerD

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Almost everyone I know who has applied for SSDI was denied at least once and had to get a lawyer before they finally were approved.

Me...I filed and was approved about 6 months later...first time...no lawyer. Got a nice check for 18 months of back pay...

Those of you who "know" me know I've been fighting back and knee problems for a long time.
Good medical record documentation, including doctor recommendations that I am disabled and unable to work, properly done application packet...and of course, I had to pass a medical examination...with their doctor.
 
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how much money can you get for disability?


edit: found this:

Most SSDI recipients receive between $300 and $2,200. The average SSDI payment in 2014 is $1,148. The maximum disability benefit in 2014 is $2,642.
 
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Kanalua

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I've done a few SSDI hearings (labor attorney). Really depends on a lot of things. Easier the older you get.
 

sportage

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Almost everyone I know who has applied for SSDI was denied at least once and had to get a lawyer before they finally were approved.

Me...I filed and was approved about 6 months later...first time...no lawyer. Got a nice check for 18 months of back pay...

Those of you who "know" me know I've been fighting back and knee problems for a long time.
Good medical record documentation, including doctor recommendations that I am disabled and unable to work, properly done application packet...and of course, I had to pass a medical examination...with their doctor.

You did it right AND actually had an proven disability.
Most people have this belief SSDI is just waiting there for the taking.
And I personally know several, which is why I ranted on so, that went thru hell with true life threatening disabilities, waiting years for SSDi approval.
Doctors not cooperating. Employers "never" cooperating. Attorneys turing out to be useless.
And the federal SSDI administration just another dysfunctional federal agency.
And... some that have actually died while waiting for approval that never came, in time.

Which brings me to the US healthcare for profit system...
Folks with a life threatening emergency condition can go to the ER.
Folks needing ongoing treatment for life threatening conditions will be turned away from the ER.
And the doctor?
No pay, no play.
A private doctor is in no way legally or morally responsible to give out free treatments for non paying patients.
The ER will turn them away. The private doctor will refuse to treat.
 

FleshLight

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Was cake for my mom when she had cancer. She just applied and got it within 6 months. No back and forth.
 

Leyawiin

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how much money can you get for disability?

Its basically whatever the yearly statement you get from Social Security saying what your current benefit amount will be when you retire. If you don't have enough credits you get SSI, which is much lower.

My oldest sister has severe fibromyalgia. Her doctor kept telling her to apply for disability and she kept saying she loved her job and couldn't afford to quit (she was a payroll manager for a large company). After about five years of this she finally had to and got SSD on the first try (had tons of doctor records and support). She's getting like $1300 a month less around a $120 for Medicare. Its definitely nothing to aspire to. Her living standard took a huge hit and she's basically living in poverty now.

Oh, getting it is not "easy" unless you are really disabled (like she is).
 

Ns1

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Its basically whatever the yearly statement you get from Social Security saying what your current benefit amount will be when you retire. If you don't have enough credits you get SSI, which is much lower.

My oldest sister has severe fibromyalgia. Her doctor kept telling her to apply for disability and she kept saying she loved her job and couldn't afford to quit (she was a payroll manager for a large company). After about five years of this she finally had to and got SSD on the first try (had tons of doctor records and support). She's getting like $1300 a month less around a $120 for Medicare. Its definitely nothing to aspire to. Her living standard took a huge hit and she's basically living in poverty now.

Oh, getting it is not "easy" unless you are really disabled (like she is).

she got hella lucky, even with the papers.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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No one here ever claimed that there aren't people including doctors and lawyers who scam the system. They make it tough for the rest of us who NEED it.
 

Mai72

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Sep 12, 2012
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I have depression. I sit at my window and fear life.

Can I get disability?
 

DaTT

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It makes me sick when people fraud any sort of assistance program. Too many shitty people on this planet.
 
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