Is it easy getting disability pay?

[unokitty]

From NPR:

In the past three decades, the number of Americans who are on disability has skyrocketed... Every month, 14 million people now get a disability check from the government.

The federal government spends more money each year on cash payments for disabled former workers than it spends on food stamps and welfare combined,,,

In Hale County, Alabama, nearly 1 in 4 working-age adults is on disability.[2] On the day government checks come in every month, banks stay open late, Main Street fills up with cars, and anybody looking to unload an old TV or armchair has a yard sale...

At one meeting, he says, a staff member pulled him aside... The staff member's advice to Scott was blunt: "Just suck all the benefits you can out of the system until everything is gone, and then you're on your own."

... People on disability are not counted among the unemployed.,,

... disability has also become a de facto welfare program for people without a lot of education or job skills.

People who leave the workforce and go on disability qualify for Medicare.. They also get disability payments from the government of about $13,000 a year. This isn't great. But if your alternative is a minimum wage job that will pay you at most $15,000 a year, and probably does not include health insurance, disability may be a better option.

People in Hale County told me that what you want is a kid who can "pull a check." ... I looked at the numbers. I found that the number of kids on a program called Supplemental Security Income -- a program for children and adults who are both poor and disabled -- is almost seven times larger than it was 30 years ago.

...Two-thirds of all kids on the program today have been diagnosed with mental or intellectual problems.

.,, Jahleel starts doing better in school, overcomes some of his disabilities. He doesn't need the disability program anymore. That would seem to be great for everyone, except for one thing: It would threaten his family's livelihood. Jahleel's family primarily survives off the monthly $700 check they get for his disability.[5]

Jahleel's mom wants him to do well in school. That is absolutely clear. But her livelihood depends on Jahleel struggling in school. This tension only increases as kids get older. One mother told me her teenage son wanted to work, but she didn't want him to get a job because if he did, the family would lose its disability check.

Kids should be encouraged to go to school. Kids should want to do well in school. Parents should want their kids to do well in school. Kids should be confident their parents can provide for them regardless of how they do in school. Kids should become more and more independent as they grow older and hopefully be able to support themselves at around age 18.

The disability program stands in opposition to every one of these aims.

People getting disability pay no longer count as unemployed.

If people get better, government takes away money.

If people get better, government takes away free health care.

If a kid does well in school, government takes away their disability money.

In some counties, one in four people are on government disability.



Government makes people dependent on government handouts by creating programs that provide a disincentive to work.

Over time, more people become dependent on government.

No one should be surprised...

Now, just shut up. Go back to work. And be ready to pay more taxes. After all, its only fair isn't it?

Uno

 

[SpatiallyAware]

From NPR:
People getting disability pay no longer count as unemployed.

If people get better, government takes away money.

If people get better, government takes away free health care.

If a kid does well in school, government takes away their disability money.

In some counties, one in four people are on government disability.



Government makes people dependent on government handouts by creating programs that provide a disincentive to work.

Over time, more people become dependent on government.

No one should be surprised...

Now, just shut up. Go back to work. And be ready to pay more taxes. After all, its only fair isn't it?

Uno

Very well said.

 

[Veliko]

The sad thing is, if you're an honest person it's VERY difficult.

If you're a lowlife trash poverty 'abuser' it's very easy. Almost all ghetto neighborhoods has someone who knows the system... Promise them a couple $k when you get that fat check and they'll send you to the right doctor with the right words to get that obamacheck.

Our current POTUS has really led the charge of making it easier. It's part of how our unemployment #'s are being gamed. If you go on full time disability you're no longer unemployed..

Most of the disability abusers claim they have degenerative disc disease. Not only do you get that fat $3000 / month, but you are also prescribed $2-$3k / month street value of pain meds. It's nearly impossible to truly diagnose one way or the other... If you know when to yelp when the doctor pushes on your back then bingo - instant obamacheck.

Pretty easy to make $70k+ per year, drive a late model chrysler, all on the taxpayer's dime.

If it's so easy why aren't you doing it?

If it's so easy why aren't these ghetto neighbourhoods full of late model chryslers?

 

[CountZero]

Very well said.

So it's a 30 year problem not a problem with the current president, or as you called him with your Fox News like attention to hyperbole, "dear leader".

Your bias is showing and you are more upset about it now because you dislike the president not because the president has done anything one way or the other.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

If it's so easy why aren't you doing it?

If it's so easy why aren't these ghetto neighbourhoods full of late model chryslers?

I have enough pride to work for my $. Like many americans, I would rather work and go without than suck of the government teat.


These ghetto neighborhoods are full of late model chryslers. In my area it's unusual to see a <$10k value car in the hood.

The beaters are all in the working middle class neighborhoods.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I have enough pride to work for my $. Like many americans, I would rather work and go without than suck of the government teat.


These ghetto neighborhoods are full of late model chryslers. In my area it's unusual to see a <$10k value car in the hood.

The beaters are all in the working middle class neighborhoods.

This hate against people that you have not shown to exist is actually kinda funny.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

This hate against people that you have not shown to exist is actually kinda funny.

What hate? I have no hate for anyone.

People by nature tend to take advantage of things.

Some of the rich take advantage of tax workarounds and other 'benefits'.
Some of the poor take advantage of tax workarounds and other 'benefits'.

The only difference is most of the rich people are trying to keep the money they've earned. While many of the poor are trying to take money someone else has earned.

 

[Veliko]

I have enough pride to work for my $. Like many americans, I would rather work and go without than suck of the government teat.

And no doubt butter doesn't melt in your mouth, you've never so much as even looked at another woman since getting married, and your farts smell of strawberries.

These ghetto neighborhoods are full of late model chryslers. In my area it's unusual to see a <$10k value car in the hood.

The beaters are all in the working middle class neighborhoods.

Riiiiiiiight.

The ghettos are where the wealthier people live whilst all the nicer areas are rammed full of people living in poverty.

How many times have you bought the Eiffel Tower this year?

 

[Veliko]

What hate? I have no hate for anyone.

People by nature tend to take advantage of things.

Some of the rich take advantage of tax workarounds and other 'benefits'.
Some of the poor take advantage of tax workarounds and other 'benefits'.

The only difference is most of the rich people are trying to keep the money they've earned. While many of the poor are trying to take money someone else has earned.

Well you quite clearly do hate poor people.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

What hate? I have no hate for anyone.

People by nature tend to take advantage of things.

Some of the rich take advantage of tax workarounds and other 'benefits'.
Some of the poor take advantage of tax workarounds and other 'benefits'.

The only difference is most of the rich people are trying to keep the money they've earned. While many of the poor are trying to take money someone else has earned.

So much moving the goalposts. You still haven't proved these people even exist.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So much moving the goalposts. You still haven't proved these people even exist.

Are you seriously acting like disability abuse is not a widespread issue?

 

[skull]

So much moving the goalposts. You still haven't proved these people even exist.

Go get a job in apartment maintenance. You'll see all these losers sit around watching judge judy all day in a free house. House will smell like weed, half the time nice car out front and there is always a big screen tv.

Go to the grocery store on the first of the month in a not so nice area. All the carts that are over flowing with junk food those are the ones paying with EBT. Better yet go to the conveinance store in a bad area. Energy drinks and cheetos going on the EBT card.

I made the mistake of going to the grocery store on the first of the month a while ago. Long lines so guy behind me wants to make small talk. His cart is literally over the top with frozen pizzas, potato chips and pop. . He says man I'll never let my wife convince me to go grocery shopping again. I said yeah especially with all these losers on the first of the month. Pussy scammer put his eyes to floor and didn't say another word. Rice, beans and eggs or get a job is how it should be.

 

[Engineer]

If anything it is only too easy, as more people are getting on the bandwagon all the time.

Yes, I'm think about joining up myself. I've complained about them for years but the old expression 'If you can't beat them, join them' comes to mind. I am starting to think that they are the smart ones in life.....

Working if for suckers and thankless.....

*sigh*

 

[unokitty]

Working if for suckers and thankless.....

*sigh*

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney published a statement in which he declared, remarkably, that it&#8217;s a good thing that millions of Americans may drop out of the work force...

Bored with your job? No worries&#8212;now you can quit, thanks to the generosity of other taxpayers. Want to retire early? No worries&#8212;now you can, thanks to the generosity of other taxpayers, and also thanks to the higher premiums that young people will be forced to pay on your behalf...

If you&#8217;re one of the chumps out there who still toils away at a challenging job, and still pays taxes so that others can &#8220;pursue their dreams,&#8221; you have a right to resent the White House&#8217;s argument...

Participation in the labor force was already declining... Obamacare, it appears, will accelerate that process, forcing fewer and fewer taxpayers to support a greater number of government beneficiaries.

Well, you'll need to get the language right then. You won't be unemployed or disabled. You will be 'liberated' from working! And, as the graph shows, dropping out of the work force is pretty trendy ...

Then again, people that are dependent on the government miss out on a lot of other satisfactions...

Besides if people like you, and I, don't work. Who would pay the taxes for the newly liberated's benefits?

Best of luck,
Uno

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Look at that line plummet in 2008.

 

[highland145]

Yes, I'm think about joining up myself.

And you don't why?

 

[Engineer]

And you don't why?

I'm underqualified!

 

[rudder]

Good thing obama is president. Disability approvals have skyrocketed.

 

[tcsenter]

Back when I worked for a private investigation company it was shocking how many people were faking injuries for the disability check. Hell the very first case I saw some dude was collecting a paycheck for a hurt left foot and was recorded bowling at the bowling alley

It's this standard that is also part of the problem. Doing something on infrequent occasion and on a limited or restricted basis is hardly the same as having to do it for eight hours per day, five and six days per week, week after week.

A friend of the family had his foot crushed and nearly amputated in a work accident. Two surgeries, months in a cast, 12 months of healing and rehab later, workman's comp and the employer's insurance company were pressuring him to get back to work. He could get out and do something like mow the lawn or do some yard work for an hour or two, go for a walk or motorcycle ride, at HIS own pace (not at the pace someone else expects of him as an employee), but that was it. His foot and leg would begin hurting too badly and he had to stop, come into the house, pop a painkiller and put his leg up for an hour or two, maybe for the rest of the day.

So in the course of a week, someone might "catch" him on his foot doing something for an hour and then NOTHING for rest of the day. Are people with disabilities supposed to just hold-up inside their home and do NOTHING all day, every day, for fear someone might see them trying to actually live some kind of life for one or two or three hours per week, and say "Ah ha! If he can do that at his own pace for one or two hours, then he should be able to do it 50 hours per week at someone else's expected pace?"

 

[Leyawiin]

Good thing obama is president. Disability approvals have skyrocketed.

If you think it would have been any different with McCain or Romney you're delusional.

 

[Veliko]

Are you seriously acting like disability abuse is not a widespread issue?

Define 'widespread'.

 

[Veliko]

Go get a job in apartment maintenance. You'll see all these losers sit around watching judge judy all day in a free house. House will smell like weed, half the time nice car out front and there is always a big screen tv.

Go to the grocery store on the first of the month in a not so nice area. All the carts that are over flowing with junk food those are the ones paying with EBT. Better yet go to the conveinance store in a bad area. Energy drinks and cheetos going on the EBT card.

I made the mistake of going to the grocery store on the first of the month a while ago. Long lines so guy behind me wants to make small talk. His cart is literally over the top with frozen pizzas, potato chips and pop. . He says man I'll never let my wife convince me to go grocery shopping again. I said yeah especially with all these losers on the first of the month. Pussy scammer put his eyes to floor and didn't say another word. Rice, beans and eggs or get a job is how it should be.

The bullshit alarm is ringing off the hook at the moment.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Are you seriously acting like disability abuse is not a widespread issue?

It's not my job to disprove it. It's your job to prove it.

Prove that it's a widespread issue. The fact that you make seem like common knowledge means that this information should be everywhere, but you haven't managed to scrounge up a single piece of evidence.

 

[highland145]

I'm underqualified!

Dang. It's a bitch when they won't even let you on the short bus.

Welcome to ATOT. We're all really special.

 

[skull]

The bullshit alarm is ringing off the hook at the moment.

You don't have to believe me like I said go to the grocery store on the first of the month. You can see it for yourself. When you see the first cart full of junk food(won't take long) jump behind them in line. Here its be the ohio direction card they use. Then go watch the parking lot. Sure a lot of em come in on the bus or drive beaters but you'll see.

Unfortunitly I do contract work for rental property owners. So I get to see our tax dollars at work day in day out. Generally the works a fat bitch lifting a ho-ho.

Have you never been around poor people? There not poor there lazy. Our government just helps reenforce it.

Of course this isn't everybody but it sure feels like it when you work in the hood. My employee is poor by most standards. He'll tell you all about the losers in his neighborhood. He hates it. He goes to work every day to feed 2 kids by himself. Then goes home to watch the people that don't leave there house all day. Then he gets to see them carry in more grocerys on the first then he can ever get.