Is it just me? Subaru BRZ = Enthusiast's dream car

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HybridSquirrel

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It's a nice looking car and supposedly handles very well (how that really matters on public streets nobody has ever explained), but it isn't that powerful. I imagine there will be owners of these cars who find out in real-time what it's like to lose a stop light race against a guy in any number of the generic V6 family sedans that the US is covered in.

Gas mileage isn't great either =\
 

zoiks

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I can't get excited about the car. Somehow I think it's lacking something.
I think only Germans end up making the complete package. A car that goes gazonkas on the pedal and is a joy to drive around curves. Japanese tend to fuck it up somehow every time. This time by providing a less than ideal car that has an engine that would be suitable for a standard 4 seat sedan.
Meh.
 

KeithP

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First drive from autoblog.com
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/25/2013-scion-fr-s-second-drive-review/

They seem to like a lot about the car, but this is what stood out for me..
...What this all meant to the Scion FR-S was that its naturally aspirated 2.0-liter flat-four had to lug us up and over Mountain Springs Summit, elevation 5,502 feet, before dumping us back down at the track on the other side...

On the highway, we found that the FR-S cruised effortlessly at 75 mph. There was moderate wind noise permeating the cabin at these velocities, yet almost no tire noise. Conversation with our fellow passenger was easy and at normal levels.

But things soon changed as we climbed slowly towards the mile-high summit through the mountain pass. As slower traffic blocked our way and we pushed harder on the accelerator to move around them, we noted that the Scion was starting to struggle to hold its speed. Passing other vehicles was soon out of the question, as acceleration was just too lethargic to take the risk. With a power rating of 200 horsepower and just 151 pound-feet of torque, what was fun around town had become unresponsive and sluggish when speed and altitude were added to the mix.

... Lastly, there is the power deficit at higher speeds. Proper gearing masks the issue up to about 65 mph, but then the naturally aspirated four-cylinder simply runs out of breath (a much-rumored upcoming turbocharger would make the FR-S just about perfect).

So, if you live at sea level and stay off the highway the car sounds very nice. Hopefully, someone will squeeze a turbo kit under the hood eventually. TRD?

-KeithP
 

foghorn67

Lifer
Jan 3, 2006
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First drive from autoblog.com
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/25/2013-scion-fr-s-second-drive-review/

They seem to like a lot about the car, but this is what stood out for me..


So, if you live at sea level and stay off the highway the car sounds very nice. Hopefully, someone will squeeze a turbo kit under the hood eventually. TRD?

-KeithP

I had a couple of cars that ran like crap when elevations changed. I didn't go away until I inadvertently fixed it by pulling over to eat and turning it back on.
These were cars from the 90's though. I'm pretty sure the sensors and computers don't do that anymore.
 

Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
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I can't get excited about the car. Somehow I think it's lacking something.
I think only Germans end up making the complete package. A car that goes gazonkas on the pedal and is a joy to drive around curves. Japanese tend to fuck it up somehow every time. This time by providing a less than ideal car that has an engine that would be suitable for a standard 4 seat sedan.
Meh.

It's kind of amazing to think that 20-25 years ago, the Japanese were kicking major ass in the area.

Z31 and Z32 Turbo Z's were sweet.
RX-7 Turbo, woot!
Supra MK3 and MK4 Turbos!
3000GT VR-4 (yes, they were crap in the end, due to atrocious reliability, I had one and it cost me a fortune .. but they were really damned snappy at the time)
Subaru SVX (needed moar power, but cool and fun to drive)
Celica Turbo AWD (rare, but badass)
MR2 Turbo (obviously)
etc ..

all of which in stock form aren't super impressive today, but back then were varying forms of awesome.

What happened, Japan?
 

Arkaign

Lifer
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Oh, and the IS-F is kind of lame imo, and the LF-A is just stupidly expensive, when you get beyond F458 pricing, you'd better have the performance to kick Ferrari in the nuts, and it fails.
 

Baked

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Dec 28, 2004
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I was reading up on the Subaru BRZ and got really excited. But after reading the autoblog review, I think I"m gonna wait for an updated version w/ turbocharger.
 

Doppel

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... Lastly, there is the power deficit at higher speeds. Proper gearing masks the issue up to about 65 mph, but then the naturally aspirated four-cylinder simply runs out of breath (a much-rumored upcoming turbocharger would make the FR-S just about perfect).
This makes perfect sense. Weight matters little at high speed and with only 200 HP it's not going to fly. A turbo charged one would be quite impressive, I bet, but will surely carry an impressive price tag as well.
 

Arkaign

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I'm sure these two models will be heavily abused by the "hellaflush" crowd soon.
 
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