Is it just me? Subaru BRZ = Enthusiast's dream car

[Baked]

what color you getting and what trim baked?

I'm particial to dark blue color cars. So I'll get the Galaxy Blue Silica, Limited Edition. No word about the MSRP from the dealership.

 

[Nightrainsrt4]

I hate the tail lights and the third brake light. Wish they had gone with something like the ones in the STi concept. Then again, it won't be something that difficult to change.

 

[exar333]

I hate the tail lights and the third brake light. Wish they had gone with something like the ones in the STi concept. Then again, it won't be something that difficult to change.

I really hope they don't 'whore' the car out in a 'STi' version that costs 7k more and adds 10hp. This car is pretty good at 25-27k, but TBH does not compete at the 30k price range. For that money, you can get a Z, high-end genesis coupe, or almost an entry-level Mustang GT.

 

[NutBucket]

What if an STI version got you performance similar to a Z or Mustang GT?

 

[overst33r]

What if an STI version got you performance similar to a Z or Mustang GT?

I don't think that's possible, based on the power/weight ratio. Unless they drop 300hp in it (doubtful).

 

[exar333]

What if an STI version got you performance similar to a Z or Mustang GT?

Did you read my post? Tuning the exhaust of a 200hp/140tq car will NOT get the performance of a 300hp or 400hp car. Unless it weighs 1/2 of what the BRZ does today.

 

[NutBucket]

I'm still not putting it past them to do a major power adder. They'd better for the $10k you're throwing around.

But yes, I definitely agree there isn't a ton more power to be had with "normal" mods.

If you look at the difference between a WRX and an STI currently there's about a $10k price difference that basically buys you a different/better drivetrain.

 

[exar333]

I'm still not putting it past them to do a major power adder. They'd better for the $10k you're throwing around.

But yes, I definitely agree there isn't a ton more power to be had with "normal" mods.

If you look at the difference between a WRX and an STI currently there's about a $10k price difference that basically buys you a different/better drivetrain.

Agreed, but thats not always the case. Look at the Z. You can get the 'Nismo' with a lot of cool extra additions and some unique body updates, but the power is 95% the same. That costs almost 8k.

Mazda did this with the RX-8 as well. The cost between the base model and touring was almost 10k. No real performance difference there as well.

It would not suprise me to see a 'STi' version at 32-33k with no appreciable performance difference. Just added handling amenities and looks upgrades. Could be ok for the 5% who want to add these to the base anyway, but essentially just an extra 30% more money for 5% extra performance.

 

[JCH13]

...or $4k bump from the base 5-door MZ3 to the base MS3. Heck, the GT trip MZ3 costs about as much as an MS3.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

...or $4k bump from the base 5-door MZ3 to the base MS3. Heck, the GT trip MZ3 costs about as much as an MS3.

Are you saying that the 4k bump from base 3 to ms3 is not worth it? That's probably one of the best price/perf bumps in the industry. It was even better when the first ms3 came out. It was only a 2k difference between the base and the speed3. :wub: not to mention no crappy smiley face

 

[Phanuel]

The issue is fitting the whole package in the engine bay, not physically attaching a turbo to the engine itself. You really don't sound very smart, despite your attempt at ridicule.

You didn't even look at the two engines in the pictures did you? They are pretty much the same size sans the top mounted intercooler. What other unusually large amenities do they need to all of a sudden magically add to this engine that it suddenly won't fit in the same engine bay?

Jfc, they've also advertised their race car based on the BRZ platform the GT300. You think that car is going to run on the stock HP with a cat delete and be competitive? Get f'ing real guy.

 

[JTsyo]

My dream car certainly wouldn't power only two wheels.

Aren't all other Subarus AWD?

 

[JCH13]

Are you saying that the 4k bump from base 3 to ms3 is not worth it? That's probably one of the best price/perf bumps in the industry. It was even better when the first ms3 came out. It was only a 2k difference between the base and the speed3. :wub: not to mention no crappy smiley face

Plz read sig to realize how silly you have been

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Plz read sig to realize how silly you have been

Yea I saw your sig prior which I thought was weird but it's probably me reading it funny

 

[JCH13]

Yea I saw your sig prior which I thought was weird but it's probably me reading it funny

Haha. My point was that the bump in price was definitely worth the performance gains. In the 1st gen it was an even smaller gap, a GT MZ3 was almost 24k and the GT MS3 was about 25.5k MSRP. Around $2k for 110 more hp, better wheels/tires, and better suspension, was a good deal.

 

[jlee]

You didn't even look at the two engines in the pictures did you? They are pretty much the same size sans the top mounted intercooler. What other unusually large amenities do they need to all of a sudden magically add to this engine that it suddenly won't fit in the same engine bay?

Jfc, they've also advertised their race car based on the BRZ platform the GT300. You think that car is going to run on the stock HP with a cat delete and be competitive? Get f'ing real guy.

I was referring to this:

That photo in particular is the 2.0 in front with the 1.6T behind it. WOW HOW CAN WE EVER FIT A TURBO ON A MOTOR OMGZ IT'S SO LARGERSSZZZ!?1

If they put a completely different motor in, maybe it'll fit. The picture of the two engines next to each other is from such a shitty angle that any size comparison is futile.

There are no "unusually large amenities" but when you're dealing with space in fractions of an inch, it doesn't take much size to not fit. Exhaust routing may be an issue, hood clearance for the TMIC may be an issue, I dunno. Subaru engineers aren't exactly stupid, so if they say they can't fit a turbo in the current setup I'm pretty sure they're right.

 

[Safeway]

Subaru engineers aren't exactly stupid, so if they say they can't fit a turbo in the current setup I'm pretty sure they're right.

Exactly. They say they can't fit a turbo. The other guy is just a tool. (You left out a word.)

Additionally, from a marketing perspective, it will be hard to sell the BRZ STi as a 2.0L to 1.6T upgrade. Even if the numbers show an increase, I can't think of any car that reduces displacement for the performance variant.

 

[Atty]

So when are we going to see this thing in a dealership? And 0-60 times? Real world performance numbers? Anyone know?

The amount of hype on this thing is ridiculous -- you think we were all awaiting some dream car that we can all afford and drive like we are Vettel.

 

[JCH13]

Exactly. They say they can't fit a turbo. The other guy is just a tool. (You left out a word.)

Additionally, from a marketing perspective, it will be hard to sell the BRZ STi as a 2.0L to 1.6T upgrade. Even if the numbers show an increase, I can't think of any car that reduces displacement for the performance variant.

MS3 is a 2.3L DISI turbo engine. The MZ3 GT has/had a 2.5L NA. Both I4s.

Might be the exception to the rule?

 

[jlee]

MS3 is a 2.3L DISI turbo engine. The MZ3 GT has/had a 2.5L NA. Both I4s.

Might be the exception to the rule?

Mk2 MR2 n/a = 2.2l n/a

Mk2 MR2 Turbo = 2.0l turbo

 

[JCH13]

Mk2 MR2 n/a = 2.2l n/a

Mk2 MR2 Turbo = 2.0l turbo

Can't believe I derp'd on that given how many times I've been shoulder-deep in those...

 

[jlee]

Can't believe I derp'd on that given how many times I've been shoulder-deep in those...

Sometimes people forget traumatic experiences as a way of psychological self-preservation.

 

[exar333]

Mk2 MR2 n/a = 2.2l n/a

Mk2 MR2 Turbo = 2.0l turbo

I think its getting more common. Its the same with the Cruze; IIRC the 1.6 is standard and the 1.4T is the optional engine.

Ford F-150 Ecoboost option is also a smaller displacement twin-turbo vs. the standard 5.0 V8.

The new Focus will have a 2.0T I believe, that will put the standard 4-cyl to shame.

VW has the 2.5 5-cyl standard, and the 2.0T is a more expensive option.

I am probably missing a number of these examples. Its very common overseas, and becoming pretty common here in the US now too.

 

[Sid59]

interesting that Japan via Toyota and UK via Subaru are getting stripper models.

"drops 100 pounds compared to the base coupe by omitting items like the LSD, air conditioning, radio, paint on some body parts and swapping 17-inch alloys for 16-inch steelies."

 

[exar333]

interesting that Japan via Toyota and UK via Subaru are getting stripper models.

"drops 100 pounds compared to the base coupe by omitting items like the LSD, air conditioning, radio, paint on some body parts and swapping 17-inch alloys for 16-inch steelies."

Have no idea why you would want to lose the LSD. I know it carries weight, but adds so much to the performance. If you care a ton about weight, it would seem to reason you would want the LSD to track the car. Strange.