Is it just me?

[Kerouactivist]

My grandparents which lived through the depression are turning over in their graves...Bush will go down in history as the one who reneged on the "new deal"....and sold his soul to the corporate whores at the expense of the future of the people. (see SS reform)

We are very much taking a step back....

What interesting times we live in.....hopefully hope will come from something or somewhere to thwart this incredible diasease that is apparently the will of 51% of the people with a total lack of regard for at least the other 49%...


I am in utter awe at the fact that this man can be admired by anyone..




I am not an Athenian or a Greek, but a citizen of the world.
Socrates


It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become the enemy of the rest of mankind.
Voltaire

 

[ReiAyanami]

boohoo, diebold machines vote bush and that's all that matter, get over it!

 

[daniel1113]

 

[HombrePequeno]

Getting 51% of the vote isn't that bad. Heck Clinton got a lot less than that and won.

 

[glenn1]

If he could "renege the New Deal" in a way which is equitable to all it would be the greatest achievement in the history of the Republic.

 

[Kerouactivist]

H. L. Mencken:
In the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell.

Hermann Goering:
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

 

[Taejin]

I don't like Bush either, but a quote whore is always bad.

 

[aidanjm]

Anyone watched the film/ documentary "The Corporation"?

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: Taejin
I don't like Bush either, but a quote whore is always bad.

hey I fill my role...
I am the quote whore

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: glenn1
If he could "renege the New Deal" in a way which is equitable to all it would be the greatest achievement in the history of the Republic.

So you want a society like Brazil, where multi-billionaires bask on the gorgeous beaches, and 400 meters away the masses somehow survive in squalid shanty towns?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: glenn1
If he could "renege the New Deal" in a way which is equitable to all it would be the greatest achievement in the history of the Republic.

So you want a society like Brazil, where multi-billionaires bask on the gorgeous beaches, and 400 meters away the masses somehow survive in squalid shanty towns?

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from glenn1's post... do tell.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: glenn1
If he could "renege the New Deal" in a way which is equitable to all it would be the greatest achievement in the history of the Republic.

So you want a society like Brazil, where multi-billionaires bask on the gorgeous beaches, and 400 meters away the masses somehow survive in squalid shanty towns?

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from glenn1's post... do tell.

I'm not sure but, I do believe he is just asking a question....

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Anyone watched the film/ documentary "The Corporation"?

haven't seen it yet but, it is definitely on my watch list...

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: glenn1
If he could "renege the New Deal" in a way which is equitable to all it would be the greatest achievement in the history of the Republic.

So you want a society like Brazil, where multi-billionaires bask on the gorgeous beaches, and 400 meters away the masses somehow survive in squalid shanty towns?

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from glenn1's post... do tell.

I'm not sure but, I do believe he is just asking a question....

Wasn't the effect of the "new deal" to even out massive discrepancies between the wealthiest or poorest citizens? With countries like Brazil, you have a small segment of the population with vast wealth, and the masses with very little. The US already has the highest levels of income inequality (between richest and poorest citizens) of first world nations. Do you really want to head into "third world" territory in terms of the distribution of wealth in your country?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
The US already has the highest levels of income inequality (between richest and poorest citizens) of first world nations.

Isn't that a pretty relative measurement?

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: aidanjm
The US already has the highest levels of income inequality (between richest and poorest citizens) of first world nations.

Isn't that a pretty relative measurement?

relative has several meanings?
would you care to elaborate?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: bthorny
relative has several meanings?
would you care to elaborate?

Well, a country could have a large separation of wealth between classes and everyone could still be very well off. Conversely, a country could have a very small gap between classes where everyone is doing rather poorly. The size of the gap has nothiing to do with the issue. It's the location of the gap that matters

 

[glenn1]

Wasn't the effect of the "new deal" to even out massive discrepancies between the wealthiest or poorest citizens? With countries like Brazil, you have a small segment of the population with vast wealth, and the masses with very little. The US already has the highest levels of income inequality (between richest and poorest citizens) of first world nations. Do you really want to head into "third world" territory in terms of the distribution of wealth in your country?

Show me the lines anywhere in our founding documents (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Federalist Papers, etc) that show where that's a function the government is supposed to be doing, and I'll raise you the Tenth Amendment to show you that it's not.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: bthorny
relative has several meanings?
would you care to elaborate?

Well, a country could have a large separation of wealth between classes and everyone could still be very well off. Conversely, a country could have a very small gap between classes where everyone is doing rather poorly. The size of the gap has nothiing to do with the issue. It's the location of the gap that matters

in consideration of your reply what is the gap we are seeking as a overall world populus?
Included within, what should be the the median $$$?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: bthorny
in consideration of your reply what is the gap we are seeking as a overall world populus?
Included within, what should be the the median $$$?

I don't believe you can set a median value since they are different from country to country.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Wasn't the effect of the "new deal" to even out massive discrepancies between the wealthiest or poorest citizens? With countries like Brazil, you have a small segment of the population with vast wealth, and the masses with very little. The US already has the highest levels of income inequality (between richest and poorest citizens) of first world nations. Do you really want to head into "third world" territory in terms of the distribution of wealth in your country?

Show me the lines anywhere in our founding documents (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Federalist Papers, etc) that show where that's a function the government is supposed to be doing, and I'll raise you the Tenth Amendment to show you that it's not.

Okay constitutionally it is allowable...but not held forthright determinably

As far as the constitution goes... this entire war is unconstitutional in premise..... if you believe it is authorized please let me know how and when it became constitutonally operable, because apparently I'm not privy to this enlightenment.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: bthorny
in consideration of your reply what is the gap we are seeking as a overall world populus?
Included within, what should be the the median $$$?

I don't believe you can set a median value since they are different from country to country.

Sure you can. Adjust to a common currency and the do whatever comparisons need to done.

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: bthorny
in consideration of your reply what is the gap we are seeking as a overall world populus?
Included within, what should be the the median $$$?

I don't believe you can set a median value since they are different from country to country.

Sure you can. Adjust to a common currency and the do whatever comparisons need to done.

beat me to it...

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: bthorny
in consideration of your reply what is the gap we are seeking as a overall world populus?
Included within, what should be the the median $$$?

I don't believe you can set a median value since they are different from country to country.

Sure you can. Adjust to a common currency and the do whatever comparisons need to done.

I'm not talking about adjusting to a common currency... I mean in terms of values from country to country. I would bet that most Americans see the telephone as a necessity that everyone should have access to; however, if you were to question a small tribe in Africa, I'm sure telephones would not be at the top of their lists. So, which median income is the correct to use?

 

[SuperTool]

Yeah, we need to go back to the pre New Deal system, which gave us the Great Depression. That would be a great achievement.