is it legal to ask for ID when using a CC?

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Matthiasa

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Signature on the back is all that's legally required, it's not hard to get a fake ID, but it's very hard to fake a persons signature. Any store that requires me to show my ID and ends up not letting me purchase, I call Visa directly and report them. I would much rather have them match up my signature then ask for an ID. I've worked retail and if a store gets 2-3 of these complaints from customers who were forced to show ID, Visa will get involved, as they should. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Visa knows much more about how to prevent fraud than a person working behind a register. They require a signature on the back over showing ID for a reason.

You think they actually check the signature?
LOL
 

DrPizza

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good practice.

i just don't sign them, and yes, for that it should be standard to ask for another form of ID, but they don't always.

And your card says that it's not valid unless you've signed it to signify that you agree to all the terms and conditions blah blah blah. Merchants aren't supposed to accept those cards. But no one seems to care because customers get all indignant about it because they received an email forwarded from a police officer's wife & now the practice is widespread.
 

QueBert

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good practice.

i just don't sign them, and yes, for that it should be standard to ask for another form of ID, but they don't always.

good practice? he's violating Visa's TOS by doing that. Unless his name is literally "please see ID" And by violating Visa's TOS any cashier who see's that is by law obligated to keep his card and not give it back. Visa's TOS is a signature MUST be on the back, or the card isn't valid. Seeing how stores can get in trouble, and even lose their merchant service account if people complain about this, no, it's not a good idea. It's not even legal.



You think they actually check the signature?
LOL

On the flip side the ones who "check" ID rarely do anything but glance at it and hand it back. I worked retail and I could easily use my ID with your Visa with a good 95% of the cashiers where I worked.
 
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KK

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credit card companies oughta just say, do whatever the hell you wanna do. It'd make it easier on everyone.
 

Matthiasa

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There is a difference between being legal and being against contract.
Learn the difference.
 
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good practice? he's violating Visa's TOS by doing that. Unless his name is literally "please see ID" And by violating Visa's TOS any cashier who see's that is by law obligated to keep his card and not give it back. Visa's TOS is a signature MUST be on the back, or the card isn't valid. Seeing how stores can get in trouble, and even lose their merchant service account if people complain about this, no, it's not a good idea. It's not even legal.





On the flip side the ones who "check" ID rarely do anything but look at it and hand it back. I worked retail and I could easily use my ID with your Visa with a good 95% of the cashiers where I worked.

it is against the MSA, but it has nothing to do with legality. It is legal as it is not covered by statute.
 

Poulsonator

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i don't sign the back of my cards... i write "please see id" in sharpie.

I sign my name with a pen and write "CHECK ID" in sharpie. That way I'm not violating any TOS and if the person running the card actually looks, they check my ID. Of course, my picture's on the front of the card as well, so I rarely get asked. I'm always thankful when they ask, though. I love it when actual security measures are taken.
 

Patranus

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Well I sign those digital pads with a picture of cock and balls and they never ask to see the card or my ID.
 

ProfJohn

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Last time I made a cameo appearance at the pizza shop for a few hours, I encountered about 6 people who hadn't signed the backs of their cards. Been there, done that enough times that I know it's just not worth the hassle with indignant idiots. Who's going to use a stolen credit/debit card to purchase $10 of pizza?
A lot of people actually.

Small things like take out and gas are common uses for stolen cards because they are easy and have low risk of getting caught. How many cameras are at a typical pizza place?
 

guyver01

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Legal - Yes - they're a private business, and can refuse to do business for ANY reason.
Allowable - possibly.

Found this article, from 2008.. about APPLE rejecting credit cards due to not showing ID.

http://consumerist.com/2008/02/appl...rd-purchases-violates-merchant-agreement.html

The important parts of the article:

Cardholder ID
Although Visa rules do not preclude merchants from asking for cardholder ID, merchants cannot make an ID a condition of acceptance. Therefore, merchants cannot refuse to complete a purchase transaction because a cardholder refuses to provide ID . Visa believes merchants should not ask for ID as part of their regular card acceptance procedures. Laws in several states also make it illegal for merchants to write a cardholder's personal information, such as an address or phone number, on a sales receipt. P. 29, Visa Merchant Card Acceptance Policy

and

called 1-800-VISA-911 immediately and they forwarded me to my card issuer. After the run around Citibank told me to first to call Visa, that the merchant had the right to refuse my card, and then they finally escalated me because I wanted an explanation as to why they didn't want my business. Finally a Rep (Roxanne), said she would highlight my agreement in the correct places so I could see that the merchant could reject my cards.

So.. for all those saying "i'm gonna complain" .. go ahead... if the merchant is big enough... Visa wont care what they do.

Do you really think Visa is gonna strip Best Buy or Apple or whoever of their right to process credit cards, and lose the revenue?
 
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moshquerade

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good practice? he's violating Visa's TOS by doing that. Unless his name is literally "please see ID" And by violating Visa's TOS any cashier who see's that is by law obligated to keep his card and not give it back. Visa's TOS is a signature MUST be on the back, or the card isn't valid. Seeing how stores can get in trouble, and even lose their merchant service account if people complain about this, no, it's not a good idea. It's not even legal.
Have you ever heard of anyone getting their CC turned down at a merchant because they hadn't signed it? How about online? Guess they can't check a signature there, can they? The CC police aren't stopping any owners from using an unsigned CC.

It is good practice b/c it might... just might... catch a thief.
 

cronos

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The gal I am dating recently switched to BoA and her CC has her photo on it, never seen a photo ID on the CC itself before.

My first ever credit card has my photo on it. It was a Citibank Visa, and this was 1995
 
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Where I work its company policy to ask for your ID with your CC. If you can't provide it or it doesn't match we aren't allowed to run the card. It's to prevent CC fraud and theft. I don't see why people get in such a tissy when asked. It literally takes an extra 20 seconds to pull it out and have it checked. I for one have no problems with people asking and would prefer everyone asked. That way if my card was ever stolen I know it wouldn't be falsely charged.

I guarantee you if you had your CC stolen and the balance run up you'd be all for ID's being checked.

THIS!

I don't know how it happened, but my wife and I both had our CCs compromised in the same week. Accounts were frozen and we were off the hook for the amount due.

One card was used at Wal-Mart. And I did feel violated. I literally would have murdered the person that did this to me if you put them in front of me when it happened. People that sue stolen CCs are a virus that needs elimination.
 

kranky

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Have you ever heard of anyone getting their CC turned down at a merchant because they hadn't signed it? How about online? Guess they can't check a signature there, can they? The CC police aren't stopping any owners from using an unsigned CC.

It is good practice b/c it might... just might... catch a thief.

Can't use your card at the Post Office if it's unsigned, or if it says "See ID" or the like. They check every time.
 

geno

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good practice? he's violating Visa's TOS by doing that. Unless his name is literally "please see ID" And by violating Visa's TOS any cashier who see's that is by law obligated to keep his card and not give it back. Visa's TOS is a signature MUST be on the back, or the card isn't valid. Seeing how stores can get in trouble, and even lose their merchant service account if people complain about this, no, it's not a good idea. It's not even legal.

I was going to chime in with this little tidbit. I've never heard of a store doing it, but they have every right to refuse a card that says "See ID" on the back instead of a signature.
 

RedCOMET

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my signature line on my debit card has worn off. but any time a merchant needs to swipe it for a credit transaction, they flip it over to check the back side and then swipe it like normal. I only get asked for ID at places that require you to be 21+. At that point, I ask them what they need the ID for since I carry a driver's license and a TWIC card (TSA issued credential) on me. For most normal transactions, nobody asks for ID.
 

edro

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The "SEE ID" is the dumbest thing since sliced bread.

When I was in high school working at Wal-Mart and a person handed me a card that said "SEE ID", I would just run it.
They would get mad and say "You're supposed to check my ID." I would just laugh.

People who write "SEE ID" on their cards get off on making cashiers check their ID.
It gives them a sense of power.
 

guyver01

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The "SEE ID" is the dumbest thing since sliced bread.

i would always tell them "i'm sorry, i am unable to accept this card"

"you see that line that says NOT VALID UNLESS SIGNED? ... well this isn't signed"

 

Exterous

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According to VISA you can't accept the card unless it is signed:
Dealing with unsigned cards

If the signature panel is left blank...


  1. Request a signature. Ask the cardholder to sign the card and provide current government identification, such as a driver's license or passport (if local law permits).
  2. Check the signature. Be sure that the cardholder signature on the transaction receipt matches the one on the card and the additional identification.
  3. Complete the transaction. If the signatures appear reasonably the same and the authorization request is approved, continue the transaction. If the cardholder refuses to sign the card, do not accept the card.
http://usa.visa.com/merchants/risk_management/card_present.html
 
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Exterous

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And your card says that it's not valid unless you've signed it to signify that you agree to all the terms and conditions blah blah blah. Merchants aren't supposed to accept those cards. But no one seems to care because customers get all indignant about it because they received an email forwarded from a police officer's wife & now the practice is widespread.

Very true. I can't tell you how many times I had gotten into arguments with customers who thought they knew the rules but actually had no idea. I guess I shouldn't be suprised that people don't actually read their card holder agreement forms considering the traction that the 'Pitty me because I didn't read my mortgage' argument has gotten
 
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