Is it legal to tax guns?

[Skel]

Whatever dude. Nowhere in my highlighted quote did you mention the criminal that stole the gun and committed a crime with it. You can't have it both ways. Either the woman bears some responsibility for engaging in risky behavior (just like the gun owner for not locking up his guns) or she doesn't.

I don't think this argument works very well, nor do I think we should be putting rape anywhere near guns... I mean.. rape is a violent crime.. guns being secured is not..

 

[Bird222]

I don't think this argument works very well, nor do I think we should be putting rape anywhere near guns... I mean.. rape is a violent crime.. guns being secured is not..

I'm dealing strictly with the idea of someone engaging in risky behavior bearing some responsibility in the bad outcome that results. Either you believe that is true or you don't. But you can't have it both ways. Choose something besides rape if you must but the concept (as stated in the first sentence) is the same.

 

[IJTSSG]

If I left my car keys on the kitchen table, my 12 yr old took them and my car without permission, hit and killed a pedestrian, is that my fault? Should I be held liable for that in either civil or criminal court?

 

[Bird222]

If I left my car keys on the kitchen table, my 12 yr old took them and my car without permission, hit and killed a pedestrian, is that my fault? Should I be held liable for that in either civil or criminal court?

Yeah since that was your minor child and you are responsible for them.

 

[Wuzup101]

To be honest, that is the goal. To wean our society off of guns altogether. If we could reach the point where there are more knife deaths then gun deaths would be a major victory for our society. There is a major difference between killing someone with a knife than a gun. It takes a completely different type of attitude to kill someone with a knife. It is much more rare. It is, for example, rare indeed that an innocent bystander gets accidentally killed by a knife fight. I don't know if I've ever heard of a mass stabbing.

Right - and this is why most gun owners are against registration as a whole. Literally every anti-gunner that talks about registration then goes on to say that it could be used to disarm the populace and completely remove our second amendment rights. But don't worry about your second amendment... we just need to know where all the guns are so we can take them in 5-10 years. It'll maybe never happen lol.

Knife murders in this country are 5x the murders that are committed with rifles of any type (even those scary "assault rifles"). Yet most anti-gunners primary focus on banning them first.

This is what I mean by gun owners are irresponsible. Owning a firearm comes with the responsibility to secure that firearm. Failure to do so should be a crime. The idea that you could just leave your pistol sitting on the front porch and then claim you had no part in what happens with it is absurd. It is the height of irresponsibility. I feel the same way about having one in a house. Leave it sitting on the counter and someone gets hold of it and uses it, and you should be to blame for failure to properly secure it.

I'm not saying that it's a good idea to leave your gun on your front porch, and lets face it, given the value of guns and their power, that's not something that is going to be general practice. Having one in your home is a bit different. I agree that if you leave an unsecured gun in your home, and your [minor] child (who lives there) gets a hold of it and uses it against himself or others, you bear responsibility. I do not agree that if someone breaks into your house and steals it and uses it in such a manner that it's remotely the same thing. My house is already "secure." It doesn't matter if I have the gun locked in my safe, or if it's tucked in my nightstand, it's already secure by virtue of being in my locked home.

That is not my experience. Even your own arguments show that is not true. You just define responsibility away so that you are never actually responsible for anything. Real responsibility does not make excuses.

Right, because you are trying to blame the owner of X item for crimes committed with that item after it's stolen. I don't believe that people are responsible for criminal actions done upon them. I'm responsible for myself and my actions and what I can control within reason.

And I believe that the idea that you could store your firearm in a kitchen drawer to be irresponsible to the point of criminality.

Why? What level of security do you think should be required for maintaining ownership of firearms? My home is locked when I leave and no minors have access. Anyone taking my guns is committing a crime.

 

[Sunburn74]

I'll concede the point... though I've been under the impression that voting registration is controlled and done by the states, not a federal level.

I'm not sure I agree with the 7th one though. I don't have to register with the Government in order to use the court system. I might have to with a local court, but even then I'm only required to log what I'm doing. I don't have to join some list in order to sue someone.

As someone who is currently engaged in a legal claim, I assure you that in order to file a civil suit you must file and register your person and your case with the courts and pay a fee in order to even begin the process. Filing and registering your person includes your name and address amongst other pertinent data.

 

[Skel]

As someone who is currently engaged in a legal claim, I assure you that in order to file a civil suit you must file and register your person and your case with the courts and pay a fee in order to even begin the process. Filing and registering your person includes your name and address amongst other pertinent data.

Fair enough.. I've been lucky enough not to have to go through it so I'll defer to you as you would know more than I would on it.