Is it Miss USA or Miss Black USA?

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manly

Lifer
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<< One of the problems is that you have politicians(Democrats) and the media perpetuating an idea of victimization on the part of minorities in this country. As long as you have that going on there will never be a chance for racism in all its forms to finally die out. >>



And what if the idea is actually regularly true?

The actual myth being perpetrated is that there is true equality of opportunity in the U.S. For every Colin Powell who grew up poor in Brooklyn and rose to a pinnacle of success, how many counter-examples are there? I'm not referring to just a racial standpoint, but a socio-economic one.

Your implication is completely absurd. If we never talk about racism, discrimination, or "victimization," then it'll all go away?

Remember, at one time, "separate but equal" was thought to be the correct policy as well.
 

GtPrOjEcTX

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the winner deserved it...whenever they narrowed it down to the "12", I definitively stated that she would win. why? she has that look, her talent was her ability to get an audience going, i.e. people person that would do great as a miss usa...she's cute too and has great knockers.
 

4824guy

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I hope this contest didn't have any judge from France or Russia. We all remember what they did in the Olympics.
 

ponch007

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<< Seems a bit obviously rigged that the top 4 out of 5 are sistas.... Anyone notice how Jermaine is blowin up all the scores of the black contestants? Call me racist or whatever, i'm not... Just sayin it seems like a fix. >>




Funny . . . my mom said the same thing . . . obviously not as eloquently as you.
 

shiner

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<< And what if the idea is actually regularly true? >>



Ok...so tell me how someone is being victimized simply by being born black, asian, hispanic, etc....




<< The actual myth being perpetrated is that there is true equality of opportunity in the U.S. For every Colin Powell who grew up poor in Brooklyn and rose to a pinnacle of success, how many counter-examples are there? I'm not referring to just a racial standpoint, but a socio-economic one. >>



Sorry but I don't buy the argument that minorities can make it in this country. I know many minorites that were born poor and made something of themselves. I also know plenty of whites that were born under poor socio economic circumstances and they made it as well. You either make it or you don't in this country by your own choice. If you want to work hard to succeed you can. If you want to set back, scream racis, and blame everyone else but yourself for you problems then you will continue to live off government handouts.



<< Your implication is completely absurd. If we never talk about racism, discrimination, or "victimization," then it'll all go away? >>



I didn't say we shouldn't talk about it so don't put words in my mouth. What I was saying is that you have polticians and media types that take every chance they get to point out some percieved racism be it true or not. Just look at what happened to me with the Miss Black University and Miss White University thing.



 

manly

Lifer
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shinerburke,

You don't seem to understand that past history has consequences in the present. I'm not saying that being born any particular race victimizes any person in particular. However, like I said, equality of opportunity is a myth. I don't know what your situation growing up was, but unless I grew up in a ghetto, exposed to constant drugs and violence, amongst other problems, then there's no rational reason for me to believe that everybody has it the same.

Affirmative action is intended to level the playing field. Once that is achieved, then obviously policies should be reconsidered. One example is enrollment of Asians in American universities; Asians do not receive any preferential treatment (unless they're applying to Eastern Kentucky College).

Your argument that you make it based solely on self-determination is a crock, and ignores the inequalities in socio-economic factors, which do have some historical basis. The conclusion to be drawn from your "work hard" argument is that a kid who attends a rotting public school has the same chances of being highly successful as a rich kid attending Exeter Academy. Both kids just have to "work hard."

Many poor people work just as hard as well-to-do folks, and frequently even harder. By your logic, all low-income employees deserve just a tiny fraction of what Enron execs swindled from the company because they don't work hard. That logic is total BS. CEO Jeffrey Skilling worked so hard he doesn't recall details of what he did to rake in millions?

As far as the hypocrisy argument goes, I won't disagree with you there.

I didn't put words in your mouth at all; I quoted your words. Your argument was that as long as the media speaks of racially-biased victimization, racism will continue. You basically said that without such talk, racism has a better chance of going away.

As far as playing the race card goes, I do see your point. In an unrelated example, attorney Robert Shapiro openly criticized O.J. Simpson's "Dream Team" defense for playing the race card "from the bottom of the deck".
 

GermyBoy

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The thing is though, that we didn't enslave the Africans. We bought African slaves from African trbies. That is how tribes in Africa disappear, due to another tribe slaughtering their leaders and taking the tribesmen and women as slaves.

Anyways, Blacks were only slaves to the white man for a few hundred years. What about the Jews? They have been persecuted for over 5000 years. Why don't we give them 40 acres and a mule too. Or how about we just remove the word racism from the dictionary, and live like normal, civilized human beings.

It only takes a few black who want to create a ruckus to start controversy. And YES, a Miss Black American Pageant is racist, because they won't tolerate a Miss Hispanic Pageant, and definately not a Miss White Pageant. You can't be racist and not allow it in return. An eye for an eye.
 

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<< There is a lot of fixing that goes on in pageants.....there's also some reverse discrimination that goes on as well. I dated a girl who was always in pageants and a lot of the time if a black girl didn't win thee would be fights backstage, lawsuits threatened, and the word racism thrown all over the place. IT's really too bad that in a lot of area these days you have people that will scream racism at the drop of a hat just to get their way. Of course those that give in to this pressure are not better. In fact I'm not sure which is worse...

Back when I was in college I was President of the College Republicans on our campus. One year when the annual Miss Black University Pageant rolled around I went and signed my girlfriend up to be in it. Now my girlfriend was white and at the first meeting for the pageant organization it caused a HUGE uproar, which is what I had intended, and they would not let her compete and said the pageant was for blacks only. I called the school newspaper and they did a short blurb on it one day and that was it. Finally I got a bunch of girls together, got a permit from the school, and put on a Miss White University Pageant....that's when the racist claims REALLY started. All I did was get a bunch of white girls together and when a black one tried to join I told them it was for whites only....they started whining and of course the paper and the college came to their defense and called me every kind of name in the book. In fact one day there was a picture of me in the paper and they had printed a picture of Hitler next to mine. Fair treatment? I think not. Ahhhh hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's f'in hilarious....
 

Nemesis77

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I hate beauty pageants! In Finland we have several different pageants, then we have Miss Scandinavia pageants, Miss Baltic Sea pageants... It just never ends!

But the one thing I hate the most is (luckily we don't have this here)... Is those beauty pageants for children!! I don't know is it just american phenomena, but still.... Children should be allowed to be children! They should not be rushed to beauty pageants and such, so their parents could live through them! Children should run around and play, not be a vehicle for their parents ambitions!

It just makes me SICK :|!
 

veryape

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<< shinerburke,

You don't seem to understand that past history has consequences in the present. I'm not saying that being born any particular race victimizes any person in particular. However, like I said, equality of opportunity is a myth. I don't know what your situation growing up was, but unless I grew up in a ghetto, exposed to constant drugs and violence, amongst other problems, then there's no rational reason for me to believe that everybody has it the same.

Affirmative action is intended to level the playing field. Once that is achieved, then obviously policies should be reconsidered. One example is enrollment of Asians in American universities; Asians do not receive any preferential treatment (unless they're applying to Eastern Kentucky College).

Your argument that you make it based solely on self-determination is a crock, and ignores the inequalities in socio-economic factors, which do have some historical basis. The conclusion to be drawn from your "work hard" argument is that a kid who attends a rotting public school has the same chances of being highly successful as a rich kid attending Exeter Academy. Both kids just have to "work hard."

Many poor people work just as hard as well-to-do folks, and frequently even harder. By your logic, all low-income employees deserve just a tiny fraction of what Enron execs swindled from the company because they don't work hard. That logic is total BS. CEO Jeffrey Skilling worked so hard he doesn't recall details of what he did to rake in millions?

As far as the hypocrisy argument goes, I won't disagree with you there.

I didn't put words in your mouth at all; I quoted your words. Your argument was that as long as the media speaks of racially-biased victimization, racism will continue. You basically said that without such talk, racism has a better chance of going away.

As far as playing the race card goes, I do see your point. In an unrelated example, attorney Robert Shapiro openly criticized O.J. Simpson's "Dream Team" defense for playing the race card "from the bottom of the deck".
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For crying out loud, the reason these neighborhoods that these poor, poor people live in are riddled with crime and poverty has nothing to do with racism or the inequities of the black man, it's because the people that live in that neighborhood choose to live that way and make their neighborhood what it is. It would be the same way in a white neighborhood if everyone was commiting crimes and living on the governments tit.

Ghettos are ghettos because the people who live in them make them that way, and it's not my fault that they are predominately black, that is the way they choose to live. I'm so tired of the race card being played when to me it is so obvious where the trouble lies.

People are not put in prison because of their skin color, and anyone who thinks they are ought to take another look at things. People go to jail when they commit a crime, and if you don't like that don't commit crimes, but don't go trying to make it right by saying that "yea, they commited a felony, but there are a ton of white guys who also commited felonies and didn't get caught and aren't in jail, so I think it's racism", because that argument makes you sound and look foolish. If you want to see racism at it's finest, watch a white man or woman try and walk through a predominately black neighborhood without being harrassed or worse yet, mugged. You will be hard pressed to find anyone who at the least, isn't yelled at and called names. Racism works both ways and things need to be changed so people can't use the race card to get everything handed to them and to get out of every bad situation they find themself in.
 

GermyBoy

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Amen to that, veryape. Obviously you are an evolved ape, unlike some people who live in the ...
 

Dolemite69

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veryape, i do agree with ya man, but i believe i know what manly's response would be to that...

He would let us know how there are honest, hardworking folks who do want to succeed that are unfortunately living in those ghettos also... Well, manly that does suck for them i agree... BUT, while you support afirmative action, i do not. What do you propose we do for the ones that truly want to succeed but find it very difficult to do overcome those "inequalities in socio-economic factors" that you mentioned? You think if a hard working, better qualified white kid and a less qualified minority from the ghetto apply for the same job, that the ghetto kid should be given special preference? Hmmm, let me know when you change your mind due to affirmative action's negative consequences...
 

lawaris

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<< So if they were Caucasian it wouldn't be a fix?



Not calling you racist.. just pointing that out
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Very good query mary... Seems like with the ratio of of the total 50 beotches on stage far more in favor of white, the final four outta five are black.. Call all bets off, but i smell a fix....

<---------- Hey, i'm black too, look at my pic.
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black is sexy !!
 

Rogue

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All I have to say is that the next time I pull over a person with dark skin as compared to mine, and they say I pulled them over under the guise of racism, I'm going to tell them that they are only saying that because I'm white and I look forward to seeing their face and reaction. Damn I can't wait for that instance to come along.
 

lawaris

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<< black is sexy !! >>





you been hittin the pipe today, huh
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nope ...........jus' beer .........but that doesn't cloud my judgement .................enevr had a black so maybe ..............
 

b0mbrman

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<< <<So if they were Caucasian it wouldn't be a fix?>>

It'd be a fix if the caucasian judges were giving the black girls abnormally low scores, while giving white girls high marks.
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But if the judges were giving black girls abnormally high scores, it wouldn't be a fix...

What the heck? How did this discussion turn so bad? :Q
 

lawaris

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<< <<So if they were Caucasian it wouldn't be a fix?>>

It'd be a fix if the caucasian judges were giving the black girls abnormally low scores, while giving white girls high marks.
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But if the judges were giving black girls abnormally high scores, it wouldn't be a fix...

What the heck? How did this discussion turn so bad? :Q
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cos' they don't think BLACK IS SEXY
 

lawaris

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<< cos' they don't think BLACK IS SEXY >>


Bah...sexy girls are sexy (by definition)
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yeah .............but what u don't have or never had ........tempts u more
 

b0mbrman

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<<

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<< cos' they don't think BLACK IS SEXY >>


Bah...sexy girls are sexy (by definition)
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yeah .............but what u don't have or never had ........tempts u more
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I've never had goat
 

lawaris

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<<

<<

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<< cos' they don't think BLACK IS SEXY >>


Bah...sexy girls are sexy (by definition)
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yeah .............but what u don't have or never had ........tempts u more
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I've never had goat
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and a dog too....................lol
 
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