Is it more cost effective to heat the whole house with gas heat or use electric space heaters?

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skull

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Don't understand the question. You can close heat duct vents to whatever %/extent you want to limit heat to particular rooms and then gauge thermostat setting from the room the t-stat is in to determine target temp for the occupied rooms, OR move the t-stat to a more appropriate location.

The main issue with closing off a bunch of ducts is keeping enough airflow that it doesn't build up too high and trip the furnace overheat sensor.

You could do a combination of that and supplemental electric heat in your most used zones.

You can't shut off all but 1 or 2 vents you'll restrict the airflow and over heat your furnace.
 
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mindless1

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You can't shut off all but 1 or 2 vents you'll restrict the airflow and over heat your furnace.
Duct fans could be put on the couple vents which also improves delivery to those areas vs leakage, and testing could be done to make sure the thermal sensor shutoff works.

It also depends on the outdoor temperatures/insulation/leaks/etc. It may not be necessary to heat the other rooms AS warm, but you could still want some heat getting to them.
 

crashtech

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Don't understand the question. You can close heat duct vents to whatever %/extent you want to limit heat to particular rooms and then gauge thermostat setting from the room the t-stat is in to determine target temp for the occupied rooms, OR move the t-stat to a more appropriate location.

The main issue with closing off a bunch of ducts is keeping enough airflow that it doesn't build up too high and trip the furnace overheat sensor.

You could do a combination of that and supplemental electric heat in your most used zones.
That last bit is likely the best idea of all.
 

mindless1

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^ It does save energy and that's why most systems have vents with dampers. You just don't want to overdo it.

Your linked article was wrong in some respects. If it's a high efficiency motor that ramps up in speed, you're still getting a higher % of airflow in the target areas, and that supposed lower efficiency is just lost as heat, in the airflow stream, blown into the target rooms. It states the lower efficiency PSC blower will move less air, but it ignores that more, warmer air will reach the target rooms.

It goes on to mention duct leakage but that's essentially what open vents you don't need hot air through are, wasted leakage out of the system where you don't need heat to go. It also bases it all on a an unrealistic assumption "If it’s a typical duct system with 60% higher static pressure than the maximum specified".

The article is talking about extreme cases. We've had our vents adjusted for several years. No cracked heat exchanger, no blower motor failure. The ironic part is the #1 cause of blower motor failure is our throwaway society where homeowners aren't instructed to relube the blower bearings every few years, to instead consider it a non- serviceable, disposible item. While the blower motor is being serviced, the fan blades should be cleaned and of course the filter should be kept clean.

You can't just blindly close ducts, instead taking it upon yourself to check the operation of the system and better maintain it (the way it was supposed to be in the first place).
 
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lxskllr

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You could just go old school and use one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Jon-E-Jon-e-...0000AQLDI/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Doubt if anyone remembers these. Judging by the price, they must be collectable. When I used them, you could buy two cars for the price they are asking now.
I have a couple of those. Hardly have to use them anymore. It doesn't really get cold around here now.

I always thought they were pretty cool. It's a marvel carrying burning fuel in your pocket, and not setting yourself on fire.
 
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highland145

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I have a couple of those. Hardly have to use them anymore. It doesn't really get cold around here now.

I always thought they were pretty cool. It's a marvel carrying burning fuel in your pocket, and not setting yourself on fire.
Might be the reason they fell out of favor. I can hear a "Hey, watch this..."

My Dad had one that I think he got in the army, late 50's.
 

gill77

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I have a couple of those. Hardly have to use them anymore. It doesn't really get cold around here now.

I always thought they were pretty cool. It's a marvel carrying burning fuel in your pocket, and not setting yourself on fire.

That's funny, I remember having some hesitancy about lighting a giant Zippo lighter and stuffing it into my pocket.

Sure felt good in sub-zero temps though.
 

Red Squirrel

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Is this true?

Yes, what happens is it causes the motor to force too much as it's designed to move way more air than it can if all the vents are closed off. On the other hand if you block the return the motor runs too fast because it's not working hard enough. They are designed to have a certain load on them.

One thing you CAN do is have a bypass at the return, where it lets air from the plenum go back in the return and that bypass opens up more depending on how many vents are closed, but you would need some kind of automated system to track that. This would work better with multi stage furnaces though, so that the furnace can kick to a lower stage so the plenum and heat exchanger don't overheat.
 

Red Squirrel

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That's funny, I remember having some hesitancy about lighting a giant Zippo lighter and stuffing it into my pocket.

Sure felt good in sub-zero temps though.

I guess people do it now but with modded vapes. The problem is that often times they go islamic on you.
 

skull

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Is this true?

Yes, furnaces need a certain amount of air flowing through them to keep the heat exchanger cool. Generally contractors undersize the duct work and the system needs all the air flow it can get. When you start closing off a bunch of registers the air has no where to go and the heat builds up inside the furnace tripping the main temperature limit, causing short cycling.

On top of it the heat exchanger which is the main component of your furnace doesn't like being over heated constantly making it crack over time. Plus it adds wear and tear to all the other components that have to start and stop all the time from the short cycling.
 

skull

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Yes, what happens is it causes the motor to force too much as it's designed to move way more air than it can if all the vents are closed off. On the other hand if you block the return the motor runs too fast because it's not working hard enough. They are designed to have a certain load on them.

One thing you CAN do is have a bypass at the return, where it lets air from the plenum go back in the return and that bypass opens up more depending on how many vents are closed, but you would need some kind of automated system to track that. This would work better with multi stage furnaces though, so that the furnace can kick to a lower stage so the plenum and heat exchanger don't overheat.

Thats only if you have an ECM motor not a PSC motor. ECM motors try to keep a certain air flow, they ramp up to overcome the restriction in the duct work making them work too hard. The standard psc motor is designed to run at a certain speed when you give it less air to move it actually moves easier, making it easier on the motor.
 

skull

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Duct fans could be put on the couple vents which also improves delivery to those areas vs leakage, and testing could be done to make sure the thermal sensor shutoff works.

It also depends on the outdoor temperatures/insulation/leaks/etc. It may not be necessary to heat the other rooms AS warm, but you could still want some heat getting to them.

In-line duct fans are useless. You need to stop screwing around and open up your vents.
 

dullard

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There are actual studies on closing vents and actually measuring heat required. I perfer these to blog posts linked above.

For example (do note this is not a study on a house, but the effect on an house is similiar):
http://www.smc2017.org/SMC2017_Papers/media/files/1040.pdf
Zonal control is performed by closing the heat/AC Vents in the unoccupied sections of the open areas during the day...Over a three-and-a-half-month test period in summer and fall, measurement results proved that the zonal control system of the open area could decrease average heating energy from 25.5% with all Vents opened to 18.3% with half of the Vents opened, with a difference of 7.2%, which amounts to 28.2% energy saving. The savings for air-conditioning are 13.57%. The saving varies depending on the temperature of the weather. According to our analysis, the zonal control has a negligible effect on the loading of the machine and on the comfort of the customers.

Yes, if you have a terrible duct design and also close too many vents that can cause problems. But closing of one unused room most likely will not cause any harm. It isn't like the central heating is sized exactly for your duct work. Instead, you get one of a few sizes that is close enough to your ducts. Closing off a vent or two is still close enough. Just don't overdo it.
 
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skull

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There are actual studies on closing vents and actually measuring heat required. I perfer these to blog posts linked above.

For example (do note this is not a study on a house, but the effect on an house is similiar):
http://www.smc2017.org/SMC2017_Papers/media/files/1040.pdf


Yes, if you have a terrible duct design, and close too many vents that can cause problems. But closing of one unused room most likely will not cause any harm. It isn't like the central heating is sized exactly for your duct work. Instead, you get one of a few sizes that is close enough. Closing off a vent or two is still close enough.

Your forgetting that the duct work is generally undersized because of cheapness/lack of know how from the contractor and the general contractor leaving limited space to cram the duct work. Most duct work in newer houses is terrible.

I agree though you should be able to shut off a vent or two at least partially just not all of them.
 
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