Is it not the right time now, that we as paying users can completely opt-out from cloud storage solutions ?

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It would not be the first time that a given person does not require a cloud storage service.
But someone evil stalking that person and having access to passwords or registration keys does make a cloud storage service account to be able to continue stalking the victim to be able to reverse engineer that victim. To gaslight such a person for example. Or even program the poor victim. There are enough evil humans out there.

Therefor i propose that a law should be present that a user of any software package with cloud storage solutions can completely opt-out from any cloud storage solution.
Totally uninstalling the application and service on the local device for cloud storage solutions.

Who agrees ?
 
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As addition to my own first post : (Man be talking to himself anyway, Jah Jah be worried.)


Or personal and private information taken from cloud storage solutions by use of having illegal acces passwords, registration keys or email accounts, for example onedrive accounts, microsoft 365 accounts, xbox accounts. Facebook accounts.

Has no one ever noticed that we can log in at various portals that contain personal information with just a google account or a facebook account. That worries me a lot. Meta is surely not secure, to name just one example.

That one password for all is too dangerous in my opinion !
Having multiple passwords limits the risks of evil do-ers gaining access to personal and private information.
For example Microsoft 365 also allows such an option. One password for everything ! That is way too dangerous. Especially when this option is used in a corporate environment !
Google i have not used much, but i am sure there the same trend is happening there : One password for all.
Too dangerous ! Impossible to spread the risk of someone illegal gaining access to all information !
And then theft of personal or private content is much easier of course with one password for all.

Imagine someone with admin rights being able to access and control everything ffrom software to hardware with a single password : Devastation ! No more feeling irie ! Them dreadful be coming !

Any thoughts ?
 

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That one password for all is too dangerous in my opinion !
Having multiple passwords limits the risks of evil do-ers gaining access to personal and private information.
For example Microsoft 365 also allows such an option. One password for everything ! That is way too dangerous. Especially when this option is used in a corporate environment !
Google i have not used much, but i am sure there the same trend is happening there : One password for all.


Any thoughts ?
Two factor authentication is the answer. It can prevent evil eyes from getting access.

On your cloud storage question-- can we live without it now?
 
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Two factor authentication is the answer. It can prevent evil eyes from getting access.

On your cloud storage question-- can we live without it now?
That was what i once thought too.

Depending on the method, two factor authentication is already broken...
When i read the article , i felt very unhappy.
Especially since i like many innocent people have become the victim of succesful hacking attempts.
It is a big problem, also here where i live. Especially here IMHO.

The problem here IMHO is offering educations in the direction of cybersecurity and reverse engineering and social engineering which includes manipulation, to indivduals who do not care about morals or personal boundaries and privacy boundaries.
And have a psychological disorder either through genetics or the regular use of drugs and also large amounts of drugs , sometimes several distinct types... Which makes those individuals prone to totally not caring about others.
Very egocentric and cold. Very dangerous.

And there should be like in the old days for policeofficer functions, more strict psychological profiling for candidates before allowing those candidates to enter.
Nowadays with the free uncontrolled market view , all kinds of checks have been abandoned, for example because of cutting costs.
Allowing for criminal candidates to have a shot at these educations, allowing the control of criminals all the way up into everywhere you do not want them, even politics.

Think big companies lobbying. It is not the complete company that is evil, the company is certainly not a monolithic evil entity.
But you will always find some evil individuals in any company or public service with a hidden agenda.


The countermeasures proposed, are from the same people with criminal intent who also have acces to that information : Constant wanting to control. Because of being to paranoid of course...

Many realistic and pragmatic people have spoken out how worried they are about the current situation in computerland but are called : "Too negative."
Let us hope that more people get serious before we get to the metaphoric end of the world...
 
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I do agree all hardware/software should have a 100% local option. I always have to watch when buying something to make sure it's not cloud, or app based. Apps are just as bad, since you're relying on the phone ecosystem. If they ever pull the app or make any major changes in the future that make the app unavailable or no longer work your product is a brick.

I never bought into the whole cloud thing as far as data storage goes either. I rather pay once for hardware, and host it locally and have full control of my data. They try to sell cloud as being cheaper but is it really? The minute you have an event of extra demand, you are paying a lot for that usage. For something self hosted you're only really paying for the hydro, and that's relatively cheap compared to cloud fees.
 
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I do agree all hardware/software should have a 100% local option. I always have to watch when buying something to make sure it's not cloud, or app based. Apps are just as bad, since you're relying on the phone ecosystem. If they ever pull the app or make any major changes in the future that make the app unavailable or no longer work your product is a brick.

I never bought into the whole cloud thing as far as data storage goes either. I rather pay once for hardware, and host it locally and have full control of my data. They try to sell cloud as being cheaper but is it really? The minute you have an event of extra demand, you are paying a lot for that usage. For something self hosted you're only really paying for the hydro, and that's relatively cheap compared to cloud fees.
Indeed. I have the same feeling.

Often cloud is not needed for personal use.
But if anyone would like to have such an option. Certainly it should exist, but at a price.

I can imagine that for smaller companies like : Small and medium-sized enterprises. An external ICT with cloud solution may sometimes look as a cheaper option. And it can be in certain situations.
But it is always good to have in inhouse ICT employee who knows enough to immediately help out.

And sometimes, keeping everything local but having a website may just be enough.
We have great website hosts for 30 years now that provide a custom website at user specifications for a low price.

Large scale enterprises are often able to have their own server park and inhouse ICT crew.

But when it comes to small and medium-sized enterprises :

Think smaller companies but also health care providers, local gyms that have a large customer base and several employees and general practitioners.
These people are good within their profession.
But certainly, one cannot guarantee that they are able ICT specialists when it comes to computer hardware or software.

But again, it is good to have an employee that has basic knowledge to be able to do first aid inhouse ICT stuff.
An external company is of course also an option if they can guarantee that the external ICT be present within 15 minutes.


As a sidenote example : I bought a very nice USB microscope from an Chinese brand , sold at Amazon. The hardware works great. Had a lot of fun with it looking at tiny things.
The problem is that the software is no longer available through google play. Even though the Chinese brand is a renowned brand even in the western world.

But i guess it is to protect the more expensive Western USB microscope brands that sell typically the same hardware at 10 times the price..
Talking about free market, yeah. That does not work when financial interests come at play...
Often, Chinese producs or other not western products that have been sold for years under western brand names have been good quality products.
But as soon the free market principle arises : Competition to serve innovation and stable prices. It is all out the window !
To protect the so called local business. Actually and this is too often true : It is not the local business that is protected, these companies are often foreign.

As another sidenote example :
Here in Europe, we have logitech as a renowned brand. Which it is of course. No doubt about that. Good quality stuff.
But, we also have Sandberg, which is a computer equipment brand from Denmark. A manufacturer which has the same market as logitech. Yet, Sandberg is renowned in Germany, Denmark and other surrounding countries. Yet virtually unknown in the Netherlands. I have to buy Sandberg equipment through German shops who happen to deliver in the Netherlands also.

Which i am glad with, because the assortment those German online shops have, there is nothing near to find in the Netherlands. And if they do exist, the price is 2x up to 3x the German shops when it comes to electronic components or electronic equipment.
And Sandberg is very competitive wihen it comes to products, product range, quality range and price when compared to Logitech.

As example i will add websites from both manufacturers.


 
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@ red-squirrel
Too add to post#6,

I qoute myself :
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As a sidenote example : I bought a very nice USB microscope from an Chinese brand , sold at Amazon. The hardware works great. Had a lot of fun with it looking at tiny things.
The problem is that the software is no longer available through google play. Even though the Chinese brand is a renowned brand even in the western world.

But i guess it is to protect the more expensive Western USB microscope brands that sell typically the same hardware at 10 times the price..
Talking about free market, yeah. That does not work when financial interests come at play...
"

It is always possible that a malicious person added a virus to the software that the people at google play detected and therefore decided to remove the software.
But then again, the Chinese renowned brand also wants to continue to sell their products . I am pretty sure they are more than willing to help out in presenting a virus free software solution.
But if google play does not want to play along...(No pun intended)...

Most western people forget that China is not a single monolithic evil entity.
You have hard working honest people there and criminals as well. Like in every country.
And the virus writer and virus adder does not even have to be Chinese. Can be from any country, to cause anarchy and the resulting chaos.
Which is a great breeding ground for criminals to work with. Ya'll no what i mean ?

Here in the Netherlands for example, stigmatizing people with a Chinese origin or Jewish origin or even Iranian origin and as a currently more political sensitive example people with a Russian origin here Europe is very tiresome.
The immediate drawing of conclusions, one can only relate that to either the continued low local inflammation of the SARS-CoV2 virus that does put a large strain on the body or regular use of drugs and alcohol. Or even both : People get dumber and more aggressive...
 
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