Is it NOW in the Andromeda galaxy?

Muse

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I think the answer has to be, no, not really. The concept of now has some meaning as we live, but the idea that it's now in a far off distant place, especially a place light years away has questionable meaning. Take this to its logical conclusion and I think that the concept of now itself comes into question. Is it not fundamentally flawed? There is no now, it's all relative ... to you!
 

DaveSimmons

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If you have a stable wormhole open from here to there, then yes. Or an ansible connection. Or intergalactic telepathic mind-powers. Or The Force.
 

BoomerD

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Of course it's "now" there...however, it might be a different "now" than here...
 

Mayne

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I watched 3 documentaries on the planet Saturn last night. It is not now op.
 

Fritzo

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On a not-so-crazy note:

Your "now" is personal and unique. Because of limitations of the speed of light and the time it takes our brains to process information, everything you are able to perceive happened in the past. You can never truly see anything in the exact present "now".

See Dave across the room? That's not how Dave is now...you're seeing Dave from fractions of a second ago. It is physically impossible to perceive anything in its exact current state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5drjr9PmTMA
 

MongGrel

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Someday, there might be a real grasp of particle physics.

And once that point is reached, there might once again be another level beyond that. It's an ongoing project, beyond building arks.

I'm wondering if things might not blow up first again, these days.

Possibly what happens when you put the ark builders in charge of the launch button the particle physicists are building.
 
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nakedfrog

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Someday, there might be a real grasp of particle physics.

And once that point is reached, there might once again be another level beyond that. It's an ongoing project, beyond building arks.

I'm wondering if things might not blow up first again, these days.

Possibly what happens when you put the ark builders in charge of the launch button the particle physicists are building.

DAMN YOU! YOU BLEW IT UP!
 

MongGrel

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The real question is will someone ever build a Pan Galactic Ark ?



And if they do, will there be a Bosun named Higgs on it ?

And Gargle Blasters



Sorry, I might a went overboard :biggrin:
 
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SsupernovaE

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What happened to then?
Colonel Sandurz: We passed then.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now. We're at now now.
Dark Helmet: Go back to then.
Colonel Sandurz: When?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: Now?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: I can't.
Dark Helmet: Why?
Colonel Sandurz: We missed it.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now.
Dark Helmet: When will then be now?
Colonel Sandurz: Soon.
Dark Helmet: How soon?
 

Muse

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Define "now."
Yeah, it's kind of inexplicable, actually. It's perceived as "the present." However, that's in distinction from "the past" and "the future." Both of those, and "now" as well, are abstractions and aren't concrete and are in actuality undefinable.
 

destrekor

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Which now are we talking about here?

If by standards of space-time, then yes, it is the same time everywhere, to the googolianth of a second as we would define it.

But mass in space can cause a distortion in local time compared to real time. What we experience on Earth is not real time, it's ever ever ever so slightly off, as we are not in the presence of any significant gravity wells. But it could be that the ultimate mass of a galaxy or galactic cluster COULD cause some differences in time when compared to the space outside of a galaxy. And different pockets of "emptiness" could be ever so slightly different, due again to mass, but mostly to dark matter.

Wherever gravity/mass is present, time will be off in some measurable number when compared to the true "universal time."

This is where relatively rears its beautiful head. But outside of relativistic concerns, their should be a base standard time that can be plotted in some dimensional form beyond our grasp [for now]. It is only from here that relativity can work.
 

destrekor

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Yeah, it's kind of inexplicable, actually. It's perceived as "the present." However, that's in distinction from "the past" and "the future." Both of those, and "now" as well, are abstractions and aren't concrete and are in actuality undefinable.

Actually it's all very definable. But you have to move outside of our understanding of time as it relates to clocks and calendars, and look at time from a definition of light traveling across the interstellar medium.


In as simple an analogy as I can think to present, imagine you are in some far off spaceship, light years from home.

You look through a telescope at home, one with sufficient magical power to see your family on the patio cooking up some burgers.

What you are seeing is in fact their past. It is your present, your "now" but it has happened years ago. You look away to contemplate that.

Now, you look back again and see they have moved. What you previously saw was their past relative to what you have just seen. It's all in the past to them, so let's make another magical leap.

Now you have two telescopes, both are tunneling through wormholes that, for this demonstration, transfer light instantaneously. One is seeing time as everything is happening, like a live video, but one is traveling through a different wormhole that has time dragged down by a few seconds.

Both telescopes relay the feed on a video screen side by side. You see a live video on the right, and the delayed video on the left. You are now witnessing present and past.

I don't know why I made the second part still in space, because you could represent that on Earth easily. Have one video feed that is a true live video, and have another that has the typical delay so they can censor any oopsies. You are witnessing past and present in that scenario just the same.

I hope that helped. Because in reality, there is very much a space-time definition of past and present. Future can be defined just the same, but you get into debates if you try and say the future is concrete. The past and present, however, are very much concrete and are encoded in light for all the universe to see, if one were to set about looking for it.

We see the past every time we look up at the night sky. We cannot see the present of anything in space, we don't have that magical live view. Even when we look at the sun it's 6 minutes old. The sun could be gone, poof, and we wouldn't know it for about 6 minutes!

But if you had super sci-fi magic technology [for now?], you could witness the present and discern the concrete difference between the past and present.
 

Paratus

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May I suggest a wonderful web series by PBS called Space Time

https://youtu.be/YycAzdtUIko

It's pretty accessible in a Carl Sagan Cosmos way but some of the videos really get into and explain relativity in an understandable way.
 

ctbaars

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wow now. opening the thread this late, i thought it was National Organization of Women.
 
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