Is it OK to Declaw a Cat?

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nageov3t

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You can't train cats not to breed, but you can train them not to scratch. Don't try to over-complicate it.

if we're talking about an indoor cat only, neutering it only serves to curb destructive behavior like spraying, just like declawing only servers to curb destructive behavior like scratching
 

LegendKiller

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We thought about it with our Russian Blue. She's pretty moody and has been known to lash out when she gets into a "mood". We were worried about having kids and her randomly attacking them. 3 kids later and she leaves them alone, even when they start taunting her before we can stop them.

As far as scratching stuff, just gotta get used to it somewhat. We have a brand new house and she's gone after 3 spots in the carpet pretty heavily, despite scratching posts/catnip. She pukes once in a while, used to have "elevator butt" when she peed (cut a hole in a large storage box), and once in a while discharges her anal glands (gross!), but overall she's a very nice cat that was moody once but has since calmed massively. I am very glad we never got it done.
 

alkemyst

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Puking up a hair ball is normal once in a while, constant puking is a sign of a food allergy/sensitivity or over eating.
 

SP33Demon

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Have any advice on how? I'm willing to try with the new one we just got. Never had any success with the old one, despite trying a bunch of different things my wife found online.

Using a water gun and treats usually works if they're young. Also try putting some citrus oil (orange/lemon) onto the area they like to scratch to deter them, as well as obviously putting more than 1 large tall scratching post and make sure they use it.
 

slugg

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We adopted our cat from the previous owners and they had already declawed him. He's happy, playful, cheerful, and completely normal. The only thing I noticed differently about him versus cats with claws is that he doesn't destroy everything.
 

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Using a water gun and treats usually works if they're young. Also try putting some citrus oil (orange/lemon) onto the area they like to scratch to deter them, as well as obviously putting more than 1 large tall scratching post and make sure they use it.

Tried those, plus shaking a can full of pennies when they scratch, and covering the area they like to scratch in tinfoil. None of that shit worked. But maybe the cat wasn't young enough. She was probably close to a year at that point (she's 12 now).
 

ControlD

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Tried those, plus shaking a can full of pennies when they scratch, and covering the area they like to scratch in tinfoil. None of that shit worked. But maybe the cat wasn't young enough. She was probably close to a year at that point (she's 12 now).

Some animals are just different. We have had several cats over the years, some declawed and some not. Some cats are much more aggressive with their claws than others, and those get declawed. The other ones can get by with normal methods. Our current cat is declawed and if he wasn't he would have become fertilizer by now.
 
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SP33Demon

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Tried those, plus shaking a can full of pennies when they scratch, and covering the area they like to scratch in tinfoil. None of that shit worked. But maybe the cat wasn't young enough. She was probably close to a year at that point (she's 12 now).

Did you try the double sided tape? Catnip on their fav scratching posts? Or try putting something she likes (butter, cream, pickles, bits of fish) near the scratching post so it's a positive experience for them. One thing I do with mine is using my fingernails on the rope in a scratching motion and he'll mimic me. I wrapped the bottom rail of the banister in sisal rope so he can stretch all the way out on his hind legs and claw it.

I doubt 1 year is past their learning stage, they're practically still kittens at that point but in their almost fully grown bodies. The lil guy I adopted is 1 and he's learning, I spend a good amount of time with him per night (an hour or more). His main problem is treating my arm/feet as toys and clawing/biting them. He also likes to jump onto my computer desk and knock things over (monitor once) which is unacceptable and he gets squirted in the head for that.
 

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Did you try the double sided tape? Catnip on their fav scratching posts?

Yes, we did try tape and catnip. We didn't try putting treats near the post, but given what I've learned about their behavior over the last decade or so I doubt it would have worked. They might learn to go to the post to see if there's a treat, but I don't think it would redirect their attention to the post when the impulse to scratch occurs in another room.
 

alkemyst

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Training has to be 24/7 until it sticks. People use crates with their dogs yet expect their cats to magically figure things out without one.

If you can't be around them and they learn to scratch something, it's very hard to reverse.

Like many know, I am a pretty big animal activist. I have been asked to come over and help people with their dogs/cats.

So often I got the call that someone's cat is not friendly and aggressive.

I would get there and the first thing they do to get the cat out is be yelling and screaming and overturning furniture, spraying them, throwing things at them.

When they finally capture the poor cat they scruff and shake/smack the fuck out of them.

DO THEY REALLY WONDER WHY THE CAT HATES THEM?!?!
 

Scarpozzi

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What are your thoughts on declawing Grizzly bears?

Still cruel? I think it'd make the forest a safer place...
 

DrPizza

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Using a water gun and treats usually works if they're young. Also try putting some citrus oil (orange/lemon) onto the area they like to scratch to deter them, as well as obviously putting more than 1 large tall scratching post and make sure they use it.

Ahhh, so your training method involves being home 24/7 to guard the $3000 couch for the first few weeks. Or, are you saying that spraying the cat just once will completely cure it of the instinct to scratch?
 

SP33Demon

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Ahhh, so your training method involves being home 24/7 to guard the $3000 couch for the first few weeks. Or, are you saying that spraying the cat just once will completely cure it of the instinct to scratch?

No, you don't have to be home 24/7 but spend time with them every day. BTW if you have a $3000 couch then that's your fault, try $500 or less off craigslist, nobody I know is dropping 3K on a couch. Dam high maintenance people.

Spraying the cat is a deterrent for him jumping on my computer desk, I don't use it for scratching which requires different deterrents like scent, barriers, cat posts in the same room, and treats for when they scratch what they're supposed to.
 

SlitheryDee

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Ahhh, so your training method involves being home 24/7 to guard the $3000 couch for the first few weeks.

The hard-liner answer to that would be: "Yes. And if you can't devote that kind of time then you shouldn't have a pet".

So I guess that means that the only people who can own pets are people without jobs who still somehow have enough money to put a roof over their heads and see to their medical care. Trust funds babies perhaps?
 

alkemyst

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No, you don't have to be home 24/7 but spend time with them every day. BTW if you have a $3000 couch then that's your fault, try $500 or less off craigslist, nobody I know is dropping 3K on a couch. Dam high maintenance people.

Spraying the cat is a deterrent for him jumping on my computer desk, I don't use it for scratching which requires different deterrents like scent, barriers, cat posts in the same room, and treats for when they scratch what they're supposed to.

A $3000 couch even used is not uncommon in many parts.
 

SP33Demon

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The hard-liner answer to that would be: "Yes. And if you can't devote that kind of time then you shouldn't have a pet".

So I guess that means that the only people who can own pets are people without jobs who still somehow have enough money to put a roof over their heads and see to their medical care. Trust funds babies perhaps?

Or the original poster somehow equated "one hour a day" to "24/7" which is hilarious. Omg 1 hour a day, I'm so selfish I can't spare that for a pet I'll have for 15-25 years. Some people just shouldn't own pets.
 

SP33Demon

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A $3000 couch even used is not uncommon in many parts.

If you can afford $3,000 for a couch, then you're either so rich that money isn't an object (and they shouldn't be complaining about scratching) or they're already stupid for overpaying. Unless it's buttersoft leather, most normal couches don't cost $3K used.
 

nageov3t

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If you can afford $3,000 for a couch, then you're either so rich that money isn't an object (and they shouldn't be complaining about scratching) or they're already stupid for overpaying. Unless it's buttersoft leather, most normal couches don't cost $3K used.

who would buy a used couch? I feel like that's just asking for bedbugs.
 

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No, you don't have to be home 24/7 but spend time with them every day. BTW if you have a $3000 couch then that's your fault, try $500 or less off craigslist, nobody I know is dropping 3K on a couch. Dam high maintenance people.

Spraying the cat is a deterrent for him jumping on my computer desk, I don't use it for scratching which requires different deterrents like scent, barriers, cat posts in the same room, and treats for when they scratch what they're supposed to.

Ewwww. With all the bed bugs and such being spread around, you'd be nuts to buy used upholstered furniture on Craigslist. And, wouldn't the people who are willing to spend more for higher quality furniture also the ones more likely to be able to spend more money on veterinary care?

But, again, you admit that during training, there will be times that the cat scratches furniture. That's likely to cause some damage. Why would you begrudge someone who has nice stuff, but would also like a pet?

(Me: presently, I have average furniture, and neither cat scratches the furniture. But, the point I'm making seems rather valid.)
 

SP33Demon

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who would buy a used couch? I feel like that's just asking for bedbugs.
Your odds of getting bedbugs from a used couch are very very low if they never had them before. Just ask.

The highest price for a non-leather/antique couch on craigslist in my area in the past 2 days = $1000 and that was designer. Most are 750 or less, usually in the 300-500 range. Most of you are just making up excuses whining about a $500 couch that is easily replaceable. You'll spend more than that in cat costs for a year.
 

SP33Demon

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Ewwww. With all the bed bugs and such being spread around, you'd be nuts to buy used upholstered furniture on Craigslist. And, wouldn't the people who are willing to spend more for higher quality furniture also the ones more likely to be able to spend more money on veterinary care?

But, again, you admit that during training, there will be times that the cat scratches furniture. That's likely to cause some damage. Why would you begrudge someone who has nice stuff, but would also like a pet?

(Me: presently, I have average furniture, and neither cat scratches the furniture. But, the point I'm making seems rather valid.)

If you see him scratching it, then put up a deterrent. One or two times scratching expensive furniture isn't going to ruin it unless they're really puncturing it, which could be possible with cheap leather but I can't speak to that since I don't own leather.

Like another poster said, just put up the post(s) near where they are scratching and give them treats and encourage them when they use the scratcher. Clip their nails if possible. Put up a deterrent on the couch like double sided tape and orange oil. If they're still scratching after doing this for a couple months, then you may need to seek outside opinions/help like from a vet or cat whisperer. The majority can be trained, especially if young.
 

DrPizza

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Your odds of getting bedbugs from a used couch are very very low if they never had them before. Just ask.

The highest price for a non-leather/antique couch on craigslist in my area in the past 2 days = $1000 and that was designer. Most are 750 or less, usually in the 300-500 range. Most of you are just making up excuses whining about a $500 couch that is easily replaceable. You'll spend more than that in cat costs for a year.
You do realize that some people buy furniture new, right? Or, are you an idiot who thinks that everyone gets furniture from Craigslist? Your argument is akin to saying that no one spends more than $10k on a car, because on your local Craigslist, all the used cars are under $10k.
 

BlitzPuppet

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You do realize that some people buy furniture new, right? Or, are you an idiot who thinks that everyone gets furniture from Craigslist? Your argument is akin to saying that no one spends more than $10k on a car, because on your local Craigslist, all the used cars are under $10k.

It's no use arguing with him, he's a cat person. :biggrin:

FWIW I'm a new car/new furniture person myself.
 

alkemyst

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If you can afford $3,000 for a couch, then you're either so rich that money isn't an object (and they shouldn't be complaining about scratching) or they're already stupid for overpaying. Unless it's buttersoft leather, most normal couches don't cost $3K used.

My first couch in 1995 was about $10000 for the set. I was just upper middle class. I'd have expected it to last 5-10 years.

I had two good cats at the time, and then a third. My idiot ex-wife got an Akita and thought crate training was cruel and even telling him "No" was not right.

One day we came home and the $10,000 in couch/love seat combination was in the middle of the floor as a pile of leather, stuffing and wood.

My last set of furniture I had to buy all at once, the living and family room was just Rooms To Go specials and that was over $3000 for sub par stuff. The living room was just really decoration, but the family room set began to wear out after only a couple years of use.

No matter how rich you are, you don't want to see your furniture ruined no matter what the price.
 

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Your odds of getting bedbugs from a used couch are very very low if they never had them before. Just ask.

The highest price for a non-leather/antique couch on craigslist in my area in the past 2 days = $1000 and that was designer. Most are 750 or less, usually in the 300-500 range. Most of you are just making up excuses whining about a $500 couch that is easily replaceable. You'll spend more than that in cat costs for a year.

What if they do want a leather or antique couch? Or what if they want 0% chance of getting bed bugs? If someone is selling a couch on craigslist and a buyer asks if they've ever had bed bugs, do you honestly think they would admit to it if they had?

If having a crappy couch is required if you want to have a cat without being a terrible human being and amputating their most of them then I'll continue on not having a cat.
 
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