Is it reasonable to ban Marijuana but not Alcohol?

[Bolvangar]

Originally posted by: luv2chill


The US has too many jobs and too much $$$$$$$$$ invested in the drug war. To do away with it would embarass a lot of people so it's not going to happen any time soon. Sad but true.

l2c

That's a really good point, and unfortunatly I think you are 100% right

 

[Colt45]

repeal all drug laws
Regulate and tax drug sales (optional)
close down half of the prisons
spend <50% of the 'war on drugs' alloted tax dollars on drug education and rehabilitation.
spend the remainder on something that benefits everyone.. put it into infastructure, or just the tax pool, i don't know.

maybe you can spend some of the saved cash on factories and whatnot for former DEA employees and prison guards to work in

 

[jobberd]

Originally posted by: aves2k
Where is ffmcobalt to tell us all that marijuana is bad for no reason other than the fact that it's illegal, and that alcohol is OK because it's not illegal?

Hahahah I remember those threads. What a moron

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Why was Prohibition overturned?

because it was doing more harm to people than good.

What reasons did they give at the time for over turning Prohibition? States are reducing penalities and chosing treatment over time in jail for drug offences because of the costs for putting people in jail.

1.)It did not solve the problem it was designed to: Drunken husbands coming home and beating their wives.

2.)People where dieing because of home brew

3.)Enforcement was expensive

4.)Being underground fulled organized crime

The fourth reason is why marijuana wasn't un-baned as well, because the majority of users where poor and it grew like a weed across the country.. making it very hard to control.. which meant that the ban was more a symbolic dis-agreement with it's use than the gestapo prohibition that was on alcohol.

I may or may not be a little inebriated now, but I think you just refuted your arguments.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: Amused
Yep, just ask yourself when was the last time you heard of liquor dealers doing drive-by shootings on each other...

yeah but if it was legal that competition wouldnt be there... thats the point. By making it legal there wouldnt be a need for dealers to shoot each other, it would be a legit business. So instead of gangs killing each other they could just cut prices and outsell the other guy legally. (also there wouldnt be as much money in dealing so it wouldnt be fought over so much.)

 

[opticalmace]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Why was Prohibition overturned?

Because law enforcement couldn't control gangsters smuggling in alcohol.

 

[Anubis]

the US spends something like 10 billion a year on teh "war on drugs" which is worthless. they might as well just burn that money because its a total waste. imaging what 5billion a year added to education or SS would do for this country.

it was made illegail based on what Eli said above. back in teh day Dow Corrning saw hemp as a thret to its profits and got the US to make it illegal because they had a cotton monoply and didnt want to loose it. fact is its the worlds most renewable resource. it burns clean can be made into clothing. nemp rope is incredibly strong it will grow inb almost any climate. and injesting it in whatever way isnt as bad for you as drinking coffee every day

im more likely to die driving my car or walking down the street them I am of dying from smoking weed oh haveing someone that is high kill me

 

[JimmyEatWorld]

The war on drugs was invented because policiticans ran out of platform with regards to social policy. This was a no-brainer for them. If marijuana were legalized perhaps society would not abuse it as much. It was first brought by the Mexicans who worked all day and then used it to relax and enjoy themselves. They treated it appropriatly, not letting work interfere with relaxation. The only problem is, smoking it too much will re-route your neural pathways in your brain. It is beneficial to use it occasionly, and open up the other side of your brain for awhile and gain a unique perspective while enjoying yourself, but being a pothead is harmful. Perhaps if the government spent as much money teaching that, and legalizing it, there could be a healthy source of profit for those lowsy farmers we subsidize, and kids wouldn't smoke it in dark alleys, and our youth won't be sent to prisons while sex offenders are given slaps on the wrist. BUUUUUUT none of that will ever happen, because we never do anything radical in this country unless there are rampent protests, or airplanes bomb our naval fleet, or passenger planes hit our cities. Perhaps overall this is to our benifit, but sometimes it is annoying. Decriminalize it at least please, prisons are expensive, and tickets are lucrative for local economys, especially when more of the cost of government is being forced on the individual nowadays. I'm tired of hearing the words "budget shortfall" and "tax break" in the same speech.

ok I'm done

Edit: make sure you realize that the "war on drugs" began after the criminalization of the substance.

 

[LS20]

its not reasonable to bring this topic up and argue about it other single day

but can someone tell me why hemp is a better fabric than cotton? all the hemp products ive seen looks and feels bad

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
That chart isn't accurate, and drinking alcohol in excess is also generally illegal, so it's a false comparison to compare legal use of alcohol, instead the proper comparison is to illegal use of alcohol, which is also..illegal.

In other words getting drunk is not legal, and there isn't a level of use of illegal narcotics that equates with moderate use of alcohol.

not to mention the affects of marijuana use take a very long time to completely go away and it's impractical to expect users are going to wait 3 weeks before operating a motor vehicle or undertaking other activities that put other people at risk.

Just because marijuana stays in your system for weeks doesn't mean you are under its effects for weeks.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: LS20
its not reasonable to bring this topic up and argue about it other single day

but can someone tell me why hemp is a better fabric than cotton? all the hemp products ive seen looks and feels bad

Its unrefined because the govt doesn?t allow it to be mass produced like cotton. back in the day cotton was like that also. The fiber itself is stronger then the cotton fiber. Just like oak is stronger then pine. it can be produced easier and cheaper because its a weed essentially and will grow anywhere with lil effort

 

[idNut]

"I don't think it's a crime with what I did. I crossed an imaginary line with some plants." -Johnny Depp, Blow

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: LS20
its not reasonable to bring this topic up and argue about it other single day

but can someone tell me why hemp is a better fabric than cotton? all the hemp products ive seen looks and feels bad

Its unrefined because the govt doesn?t allow it to be mass produced like cotton. back in the day cotton was like that also. The fiber itself is stronger then the cotton fiber. Just like oak is stronger then pine. it can be produced easier and cheaper because its a weed essentially and will grow anywhere with lil effort

Yep. Not only is it stronger, it's softer.

Hemp oil can also be used as bio-diesel(as can any other seed-oil).

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: Amused
It's a crime to put people in jail for substance abuse period. It's no body's business if they choose to screw up their lives.

What about when we pay for their premature crack babies though? I'm more or less okay with it legalized as long as we can norplant them and adopt a let them die on the street policy for drug-related ailments. (I'm not kidding.)

 

[Corporate Thug]

not reasonable, MJ and alcohol essentially have the same effects

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: GoodRevrnd

Originally posted by: Amused
It's a crime to put people in jail for substance abuse period. It's no body's business if they choose to screw up their lives.

What about when we pay for their premature crack babies though? I'm more or less okay with it legalized as long as we can norplant them and adopt a let them die on the street policy for drug-related ailments. (I'm not kidding.)

Another reason socialism is anathema to freedom.

Oh, and fetal alcohol syndrome is FAR worse than the always hyped, yet mythical "crack baby." In fact, of all drugs, the most harmful to a fetus by far is alcohol.

People doped up now will be doped up whether or not drugs are legal. And I ahve serious doubts that drug abuse would get much worse were the war on drugs ended.

Honestly, how many people tell you they don't do drugs because they are illegal? No one I know.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: GoodRevrnd

Originally posted by: Amused
It's a crime to put people in jail for substance abuse period. It's no body's business if they choose to screw up their lives.

What about when we pay for their premature crack babies though? I'm more or less okay with it legalized as long as we can norplant them and adopt a let them die on the street policy for drug-related ailments. (I'm not kidding.)

Another reason socialism is anathema to freedom.

Oh, and fetal alcohol syndrome is FAR worse than the always hyped, yet mythical "crack baby." In fact, of all drugs, the most harmful to a fetus by far is alcohol.

People doped up now will be doped up whether or not drugs are legal. And I ahve serious doubts that drug abuse would get much worse were the war on drugs ended.

Honestly, how many people tell you they don't do drugs because they are illegal? No one I know.

So basically you're saying what we would be paying we're already paying for anyway, might as well clear out the prisons. I can dig that. I saw an interesting segment on either Switzerland or the Netherlands (i forget) where heroin was (i think) semi-legalized in some form--or at least it wasn't really an arrestible offense. people could use it, but if they did many wound up in some sort of govt. combo rehab/research program. anyway, the overall useage was very low considering the lack of legal ramifications for using heroin (as opposed to here).

anyway, i agree most drug laws are bs. esp. the ones regarding "conspiracy."

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: shady06
not reasonable, MJ and alcohol essentially have the same effects

Nonono... Michael Jackson only fvcks up young boys!

 

[Skyline622]

Originally posted by: Maleficus
Completely stupid worthless law.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Why was Prohibition overturned?

because it was doing more harm to people than good.

What reasons did they give at the time for over turning Prohibition? States are reducing penalities and chosing treatment over time in jail for drug offences because of the costs for putting people in jail.

1.)It did not solve the problem it was designed to: Drunken husbands coming home and beating their wives.

2.)People where dieing because of home brew

3.)Enforcement was expensive

4.)Being underground fulled organized crime

The fourth reason is why marijuana wasn't un-baned as well, because the majority of users where poor and it grew like a weed across the country.. making it very hard to control.. which meant that the ban was more a symbolic dis-agreement with it's use than the gestapo prohibition that was on alcohol.

I may or may not be a little inebriated now, but I think you just refuted your arguments.

That was a reference to why it wasn't turned back like alcohol was. The problem is that science then it's become just like alcohol was back then, as have all hallucinogens, leading to numerous meaningless deaths and arrests for a reason that 17 out of 77 of you have yet to put forth.


Fetal Alcohol Syndrome can come from having just ONE drink while the baby is developing; crack babies are not nearly as bad off as FAS-babies; though both are horrendous.

 

[0roo0roo]

i'd be for legalization if US farmers had exclusive rights. seems fair. would help pay for any treatment or whatever side effects through taxes etc.

the law is retarded where it stands now. no chance in hell of it changing with assholes like ashcroft in office. the man prosecutes medical marajana peeps zealously.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i'd be for legalization if US farmers had exclusive rights. seems fair. would help pay for any treatment or whatever side effects through taxes etc.

the law is retarded where it stands now. no chance in hell of it changing with assholes like ashcroft in office. the man prosecutes medical marajana peeps zealously.

So did the former admin. In fact, Clinton's Drug Czar was one of the most fanatical in recent history.

You can't blame this all on Republicans.

 

[teddymines]

Reasons alcohol is legal: there are hundreds of thousands of jobs because of it, it has become mainstream, lobbyists have bought politicians who support the industry

Reasons pot is illegal: there are no legal industries associated with its support, it is perceived as bad, no incumbant would risk his or her career trying to make it legal