Is it true that PS4 will have better graphics/peformance PC

[bunnyfubbles]

yes, consoles have big advantage in that developers can get every last drop of performance out of the hardware

no, next gen console hardware is already vastly inferior to PC (CPU is very slow by PC standards, and PS4 GPU - the fastest for the new consoles - is lower mid-range at best) to where the developer fine-tuning is pretty much nullified by a midrange PC rig

Another wrinkle to this situation is that because console hardware is more PC-like than ever, a lot of the fine tuning done to consoles should translate over the cross platform games to PC more than ever before

 

[njdevilsfan87]

I'd have to agree that there's NO WAY IN HELL that I would try to game on a 400$ PC. A 400$ PC will absolutely be creamed by a 400$ PS4. Now will a PS4 match a modern PC with a modern CPU/GPU? No way, not even close.

A $400 PC could run 1080P at 30fps. Consoles get way too much credit for "running well" at lower resolutions and lower frame rates than PCs.

 

[bystander36]

People always forget that most people will have a PC for other uses already. The cost to upgrade an existing PC to play games will not be that much. You don't have to factor in an OS, peripherals, monitor, and you can even partially figure the CPU costs already.

 

[Sohaltang]

A $400 PC could run 1080P at 30fps. Consoles get way too much credit for "running well" at lower resolutions and lower frame rates than PCs.

Everything i saw show the ps4 running at 60fps

 

[Sohaltang]

People always forget that most people will have a PC for other uses already. The cost to upgrade an existing PC to play games will not be that much. You don't have to factor in an OS, peripherals, monitor, and you can even partially figure the CPU costs already.

Upgrading a 3 year old dell that was already underpowered requires pretty much a total rebuild. Where is the free OS? My copy of win 8 is linked to my current build.

I'm a big PC guy and have other uses for a PC. Most of my family have not touched a PC in years outside a laptop. Many of my friends are software developers that are still playing on gtx 9800 when they play at all. Maybe I'm wrong but most current PC's are either low end office machines or a few custom machines for select users. Everyone talks about the end of consoles but the end of big power hungry pc's is not far behind.

 

[blackened23]

Good luck upgrading a Dell or HP cheesebox with a proprietary case and innards so tight and cramped that you can't even fit a new GPU in....

Realistically, and I say this as someone who has tried to upgrade such systems, your options are extremely limited to say the least. I think DIY systems are going to be far superior to PS4, that is obvious. What the average person has? With a 4770 and HD4400 graphics? I wouldn't touch such a PC for gaming and would easily take a PS4 over that. It all depends on the type of PC in question. It's safe to say any DIY'er that knows what they're doing can easily own a PC that is far superior to any console. That question becomes "probably not" to the average buyer that buys a cheesebox from Lenovo, Dell or any other number of garbage box PC's.

I still find this entire question silly. Can PC's obliterate the PS4? Do they have the potential? Yes. Again, both consoles and PC's can co-exist. I don't know why this has turned into a "versus" match. They're both good for what they do and for what they cost.

 

[Mastercommander]

m kind of new PC, but I know some things, (I hope) and I don't really know a lot, but I heard an argument before, and want to get your guys thoughts on it.. im deciding of building a pc for the first time, or getting a PS4

PS4 is a closed platform, so developers can optimize "code to the metal" which will produce better graphical games then a high end PC (even with the most powerful graphics card).....

is it true that as graphcis card get stronger,graphics wont change because of diminishing return

is it true that pc games graphically are held back, because developers aren't making pc games that are optimizing and aiming for that high end pc game with a super rig

Those were merely the ravings of an infantile mind

The mind of a console peasant

Warning issued for inflammatory language.
-- stahlhart

 

[bystander36]

Upgrading a 3 year old dell that was already underpowered requires pretty much a total rebuild. Where is the free OS? My copy of win 8 is linked to my current build.

I'm a big PC guy and have other uses for a PC. Most of my family have not touched a PC in years outside a laptop. Many of my friends are software developers that are still playing on gtx 9800 when they play at all. Maybe I'm wrong but most current PC's are either low end office machines or a few custom machines for select users. Everyone talks about the end of consoles but the end of big power hungry pc's is not far behind.

You do not have to repurchase your OS. You can switch it from one PC to another. Any upgrade you apply, does go towards your general PC needs. PC gaming, just means you upgrade a little more often. Your peripherals also transfer.

My point was people were going on about the OS and peripherals, and at the least, those can be transferred to a build, but if you continue to upgrade, you'll likely end up building your own down the road, and still utilizing old parts a bit here and there.

 

[Erenhardt]

You do not have to repurchase your OS. You can switch it from one PC to another. Any upgrade you apply, does go towards your general PC needs. PC gaming, just means you upgrade a little more often. Your peripherals also transfer.

My point was people were going on about the OS and peripherals, and at the least, those can be transferred to a build, but if you continue to upgrade, you'll likely end up building your own down the road, and still utilizing old parts a bit here and there.

OS is soulbound... I mean, bound to mobo, or CPU. If you change one of these, the licence is invalid in your new build. There are limited transfer windows distributions if I recall correctly.

 

[blackened23]

OS is soulbound... I mean, bound to mobo, or CPU. If you change one of these, the licence is invalid in your new build. There are limited transfer windows distributions if I recall correctly.

This is not true. You can transfer a OS license to a different motherboard, you just have to call MS to verify that it's only in use on one PC.

Now if you have an OEM license from a system purchased from Dell, yes, it is tied to the hardware. For a OS license bought yourself, that is NOT the case. It is transferable an infinite number of times but can ONLY BE USED ON ONE PC. And you have to call MS through their automated system to verify only one system is using the key. I have done this with various motherboard upgrades and Windows 7.

TLDR:

Oem license form Dell, HP, etc: not transferable
License purchased on your own: transferable an infinite number of times, can only be used on ONE PC though

 

[bystander36]

OS is soulbound... I mean, bound to mobo, or CPU. If you change one of these, the licence is invalid in your new build. There are limited transfer windows distributions if I recall correctly.

I've called up Windows on multiple occasions, mentioned I am switching it to a new machine, they give me a new key, and I'm off and running.

You do have to call Microsoft to switch from a new CPU to another, but they don't seem to have a problem with it.

 

[Sohaltang]

Looks like a 3rd of all pcs are running XP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

Wonder how many more are running 32 bit windows 7? PS4 > all these machines. The cost of upgrade for these people would be substantial.

I for one am excited for the new consoles. Going to push gaming for all platforms. Multi thread games are gonna be sweet on my machine

 

[bystander36]

Looks like a 3rd of all pcs are running XP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

Wonder how many more are running 32 bit windows 7? PS4 > all these machines. The cost of upgrade for these people would be substantial.

I for one am excited for the new consoles. Going to push gaming for all platforms. Multi thread games are gonna be sweet on my machine

As mentioned before, you can get a reasonable PC for about $500. Reuse your peripherals and OS if you have Win 7, and it's not so bad. Once you do this once, upgrading becomes even easier down the road.

 

[NTMBK]

As mentioned before, you can get a reasonable PC for about $500. Reuse your peripherals and OS if you have Win 7, and it's not so bad. Once you do this once, upgrading becomes even easier down the road.

Most people don't have desktops these days, they have laptops. That means no 1080p monitor lying around, no decent keyboard or mouse, and only an OEM copy of Windows on their laptop that they can't transfer. Getting onto the PC gaming ladder can be pretty expensive when you need to add all of those things onto the cost of your PC.

 

[Techhog]

A $400 PC could run 1080P at 30fps. Consoles get way too much credit for "running well" at lower resolutions and lower frame rates than PCs.

For BF4 multiplayer, I'd take 900p60 over 1080p30 any day.

 

[bubbarock]

m kind of new PC, but I know some things, (I hope) and I don't really know a lot, but I heard an argument before, and want to get your guys thoughts on it.. im deciding of building a pc for the first time, or getting a PS4

PS4 is a closed platform, so developers can optimize "code to the metal" which will produce better graphical games then a high end PC (even with the most powerful graphics card).....

is it true that as graphcis card get stronger,graphics wont change because of diminishing return

is it true that pc games graphically are held back, because developers aren't making pc games that are optimizing and aiming for that high end pc game with a super rig

Seriously dude, you should not be building a PC for gaming if you have doubts on the graphical superiority of PCs against consoles. The very need for this thread means you haven't seen the PC vs Console visual differences. Granted that compared to older consoles, the PS4 will look better and thus will come close to PCs. Infact BF4 on PS4 looks pretty good relative to a PC. But the PC version looks incredibly sharper (search Bf4 PC vs PS4 on youtube), with better lighting, crisper textures and so on. Something like Crysis 3 looks like "shite" on consoles compared to PC.

As others have previously pointed out Pc>>>Ps4>XO

End of story.

 

[Mastercommander]

Looks like a 3rd of all pcs are running XP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

Wonder how many more are running 32 bit windows 7? PS4 > all these machines. The cost of upgrade for these people would be substantial.

I for one am excited for the new consoles. Going to push gaming for all platforms. Multi thread games are gonna be sweet on my machine

Consoles are weak garbage. The gaming experience is pathetic. I would never buy one

If one is interested in only decent quality and performance it is possible to regularly upgrade PC each year, save money (because peasant) and have a better gaming experience over the entire console generation

But peasants don't make that much or think that much. Hehehehehe

Infraction issued for inflammatory language.
-- stahlhart

 

[OCNewbie]

You call that beauty? Incredibly flat, unrealistic looking foliage? A dull, grey skyline? To me, that just looks like high resolution tedium. Tech is no replacement for artistic style.

I agree. The only thing that I thought looked particularly good was the water.

 

[Erenhardt]

But the PC version looks incredibly sharper (search Bf4 PC vs PS4 on youtube), with better lighting, crisper textures and so on. Something like Crysis 3 looks like "shite" on consoles compared to PC.

As others have previously pointed out Pc>>>Ps4>XO

End of story.

Is it? Or is is a lack, or very little DOF and post processing in PC version. One thing that PC have better is resolution and AA in some cases. But that is required (as posted somewhere above) stop-motion and zoom-in on aliasing friendly objects. That youtube video compared ps4 to PC with 2x 7970. Those GPUs alone are way more expensive than the whole console.

The difference are not so obvious now. It is hard to say where do the screenshots posted earlier come from: PC or PS4. And those are screenshots. While running&gunning there is no time for magnifying powerlines to check for edges.

 

[OCNewbie]

People talking about hardware costs, don't forget about the cost of games! At $60 a pop, it only takes a few console games to quickly outpace the cost of PC hardware.

 

[NTMBK]

Consoles are weak garbage. The gaming experience is pathetic. I would never buy one

If one is interested in only decent quality and performance it is possible to regularly upgrade PC each year, save money (because peasant) and have a better gaming experience over the entire console generation

But peasants don't make that much or think that much. Hehehehehe

This is why PC gamers get a reputation for being insufferably smug tosspots...

 

[PrincessFrosty]

m kind of new PC, but I know some things, (I hope) and I don't really know a lot, but I heard an argument before, and want to get your guys thoughts on it.. im deciding of building a pc for the first time, or getting a PS4

PS4 is a closed platform, so developers can optimize "code to the metal" which will produce better graphical games then a high end PC (even with the most powerful graphics card).....

is it true that as graphcis card get stronger,graphics wont change because of diminishing return

is it true that pc games graphically are held back, because developers aren't making pc games that are optimizing and aiming for that high end pc game with a super rig

Consoles can have "to metal optimisations" simply because the hardware is fixed. The hardware in the PC can be swapped out to be one of many different graphics cards which means developers would need to write optimisations for every single possible architecture, it's simply not practical.

It means for the same amount of raw power consoles can be a bit faster, this is entirely dependent on game developers putting in the additional work to optimize their game, lazy or bad developers, or those on a tight budget often will not optimize. It's not just something every console game gets for free.

The flip side of the coin is that PC hardware can pack way more raw power which depending on your budget can easily make up for the lack of low level optimisation, the new consoles aren't out yet and already we can build high end rigs with multiple graphics cards that can easily pack 10x more performance into a single box. Console hardware is actually very mediocre.

Raw power growth is still roughly doubling every 2 years, there's no diminishing returns on graphics fidelity in fact technology almost always moves in a direction that makes effects and approximations of real life better over time, take Anti Aliasing for example, since the early days it's become faster and better quality, innovation drives technology forwards. Much of the graphical improvements are subtle these days, but the devil is in the detail and there's still a STRONG market for providing better graphics.

Most developers tend to build 1 game fits all platforms which means they tend to develop for the lowest common denominator and maybe tack a few extra effects on for the better platforms like the PC merely as an afterthought, it leads to a lot of games that could easily look better, but don't. However we do see the occasional really high quality game, some developers do care about the PC, it's just much rarer these days, often the added features will release after launch (crysis 2 DX11 patch, Skyrim high res textures etc). Also PC gamers often write their own graphics mods or manually tweak the settings to enable better quality graphics outside of what the developers intended.

Many other 3rd party tools can provide graphical improvements like AA and AF, 3D, Multi-monitor support and stuff like that, even if the game doesn't natively support it.

 

[Erenhardt]

People talking about hardware costs, don't forget about the cost of games! At $60 a pop, it only takes a few console games to quickly outpace the cost of PC hardware.

While true for last gen, next gen not so much. There will be F2P games for ps4

 

[OCNewbie]

While true for last gen, next gen not so much. There will be F2P games for ps4

Will those F2P games represent the majority of the AAA titles that people want, or will it be a select few? Also, I'm going to assume that games that aren't F2P will still be significantly cheaper on PC versus xbone/ps4 as they've pretty much always been.

 

[bubbarock]

Is it? Or is is a lack, or very little DOF and post processing in PC version. One thing that PC have better is resolution and AA in some cases. But that is required (as posted somewhere above) stop-motion and zoom-in on aliasing friendly objects. That youtube video compared ps4 to PC with 2x 7970. Those GPUs alone are way more expensive than the whole console.

The difference are not so obvious now. It is hard to say where do the screenshots posted earlier come from: PC or PS4. And those are screenshots. While running&gunning there is no time for magnifying powerlines to check for edges.

well it certainly is a result of lot less post processing on PCs compared to consoles. But all that post processing and algorithms on consoles is primarily to make it look decent else they probably would look worse.

well 2x7970s you could probably play on 1440p easily. upscaling a 720p/900p vid to 1440p will look worse. a single 280x will perform better and still offer superior graphics compared to PC on 1080p. a $500-600 PC will still look better than Consoles. If high-end graphic cards are included then one might as well include 1440p and higher res at which point the visual clarity is more obvious.