IS IT WORTH WAITING FOR NEHALEM

[GundamF91]

Is it true that mainstream "non-extreme" versions of Nehalem is fully locked on multiplier, and since it has no FSB, then there's no overclocking whatsoever on these Neha?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: GundamF91
Is it true that mainstream "non-extreme" versions of Nehalem is fully locked on multiplier, and since it has no FSB, then there's no overclocking whatsoever on these Neha?

It means that if there is overclocking, we will all get to start from scratch learning how to do it. Oh, and Graysky gets to work on a new guide.

The death of the front side bus isnt neccesarily the death of OCing with anything but the multiplier.

 

[VirtualLarry]

As long as they use external freqency generators, there will be overclocking.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
As long as they use external freqency generators, there will be overclocking.

I got to believe that even then someone somewhere (possibly an existing employee by day, overclocking enthusiast by night) will work out the pencil mods needed get around it.

So long as it has a clock, it can be over-clocked.

 

[Drsignguy]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
As long as they use external freqency generators, there will be overclocking.

I got to believe that even then someone somewhere (possibly an existing employee by day, overclocking enthusiast by night) will work out the pencil mods needed get around it.

So long as it has a clock, it can be over-clocked.

I agree, Someone, somewhere will find away.

 

[taltamir]

how much do the GTX+ go for? I got a GTX260 SC for 225$.
And the GTX200b is supposed to come out... was it in 10 days or 20 days?

I wouldn't be jumping on nehalem, without proper competition you will not be getting much for your money. You might get Q6600 / Q9450 at an amazing price once it arrives, but most likely it wouldn't be going much lower then right now.

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
And i cant talk about performance numbers yet, but i have them ready when NDA expires.

And when does the NDA expire?

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: harpoon84
If you want to see denial that runs the length of The Nile, head over to AMDZone and check out those forums. Apparently, the geniuses there deduced that because a 2.66GHz Nehalem only costs $284, it must be underwhelming and not much faster than current Phenoms:
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/...opic.php?f=52&t=135324

Who can argue with such inrefutable logic?

heh, i keep getting banned for being "disrespectful" on amdzone, but it's kinda hard to respect complete idiocy, even when trolling. epic lulz when they don't even recognize the nuggets of engineering obviousness i drop right in their laps.

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: dmens
heh, i keep getting banned for being "disrespectful" on amdzone, but it's kinda hard to respect complete idiocy, even when trolling. epic lulz when they don't even recognize the nuggets of engineering obviousness i drop right in their laps.

What usernames did you use? I registered once and got banned for linking to Anandtech and Xbitlabs benchmarks that contradicted their claims of AMD superiority. Apparently I was a paid Intel viral marketer or something... LOL

I usually just go there for laughs now, they come up with wicked conspiracy theories, I'll give them that! The level of fanaticism is a bit scary though, its almost cult like.

 

[stuff311]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: harpoon84
If you want to see denial that runs the length of The Nile, head over to AMDZone and check out those forums. Apparently, the geniuses there deduced that because a 2.66GHz Nehalem only costs $284, it must be underwhelming and not much faster than current Phenoms:
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/...opic.php?f=52&t=135324

Who can argue with such inrefutable logic?

heh, i keep getting banned for being "disrespectful" on amdzone, but it's kinda hard to respect complete idiocy, even when trolling. epic lulz when they don't even recognize the nuggets of engineering obviousness i drop right in their laps.

Geez, they might as well rename the forum AnandBashZone. Of course, they probably bash anybody that post reviews in favor of intel architecture.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: harpoon84
What usernames did you use? I registered once and got banned for linking to Anandtech and Xbitlabs benchmarks that contradicted their claims of AMD superiority. Apparently I was a paid Intel viral marketer or something... LOL

I usually just go there for laughs now, they come up with wicked conspiracy theories, I'll give them that! The level of fanaticism is a bit scary though, its almost cult like.

i use "juliez". last post i made was on the "advanced clock calibration" gimmick, which was hilarious because those nimwits insisted the technology dealt with memory clock skew, whatever the hell that is. even when i told them what it really was they couldn't wrap their heads around the concept. lulz.

 

[Cheex]

Am I to believe that NO MOTHERBOARD built to support Nehalem, will also support DDR2????

 

[taltamir]

DDR2 support is no longer a mobo thing, its a CPU thing. Nehalem moves the ram controller to the CPU.

There is a lower end CPU being rumored with supposed DDR2 support, a non bypassable lock against overclocking, and a slower CPU bus via a socket with less pins.
But the early neha is not supposed to be of that kind.

Also, you can expect fanboyism from a site called "AMDzone"...

 

[Cheex]

So I guess Nehalem for me is if I hit the jackpot in the lottery or suddenly get rich. I'm not gonna shell out major bucks for DDR3.

I guess I'll just get an Intel chipset board (P45/X48) and a Q6600 and go crazy until summer 2009. Sound like a plan?

 

[taltamir]

dont forget neha requires X58 chipset... so initial mobos will be 300+$

 

[Cheex]

Well yes, I didn't forget the fact, just forgot to mention it. Another reason not to get Nehalem just yet.

But still....

I guess I'll just get an Intel chipset board (P45/X48) and a Q6600 and go crazy until summer 2009. Sound like a good plan?

 

[faxon]

i guess if you really want to upgrade now. the board you have now should overclock just fine though but if you are looking for the super top end OCs w/o SLI a mobo upgrade might yield better results. personally i would just upgrade your CPU (if you really NEED it) and then wait for nehalem. i on the other hand plan on buying an unlocked (Core 2 Extreme) nehalem and an OCZ Cryo-Z Phase cooler and going to town on the thing. my current A64 4000+ San Diego is really starting to feel the heat in some newer games, though once i got it stable at 3GHz it plays most things reasonably well enough to hold out until nehalem hits the markets. i dont mind not getting dual GPU support, assuming intel doesnt have a dual GPU plan for larabee yet, i can wait till Nvidia launches its 8xx series NB chipsets

 

[Acanthus]

About the IPC of Nehalem... if Intel really did nothing other than move the memory controller onto Penryn it would be a substantial increase. So yeah... with the radical architectural changes on top of that i think its safe to say Nehalem will be faster clock for clock in single threaded applications.

 

[BrownTown]

TBH I would say it is a good idea to wait for Nehalem, but then buy a well marked down chip of the current generation instead of paying twice as much for only a slight improvement.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Op: First off welcome to AT.

1. SLI = no go with neha.

2. Your budget doesnt include enough for neha
Had you picked out a Q9650 + 790ultra + DDR3, i would think your budget was enough for neha, but as i see it, no, not enough for neha.

3. your timeline for neha is proabably 3-4 more months. Can you hold out?

And i cant talk about performance numbers yet, but i have them ready when NDA expires.

3-4 months is for the Extreme chip only (different socket than the normal desktop chips and far more expensive).
Desktop mainstream is more like 6-12 months away...

 

[Hugh H]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Op: First off welcome to AT.

1. SLI = no go with neha.

2. Your budget doesnt include enough for neha
Had you picked out a Q9650 + 790ultra + DDR3, i would think your budget was enough for neha, but as i see it, no, not enough for neha.

3. your timeline for neha is proabably 3-4 more months. Can you hold out?

And i cant talk about performance numbers yet, but i have them ready when NDA expires.

3-4 months is for the Extreme chip only (different socket than the normal desktop chips and far more expensive).
Desktop mainstream is more like 6-12 months away...

Nah... a 2.66Ghz and a 2.93Ghz Nehalems (Bloomfield) will be available this fall along with the extreme chip. They will all be the same socket LGA 1366, which is considered the high-end one. The more mainstream chips and sockets will be the LGA 1160s, available in 2009.

Check the latest Intel roadmap:

http://www.dvhardware.net/article27862.html

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Hugh H
Nah... a 2.66Ghz and a 2.93Ghz Nehalems (Bloomfield) will be available this fall along with the extreme chip. They will all be the same socket LGA 1366, which is considered the high-end one. The more mainstream chips and sockets will be the LGA 1160s, available in 2009.

Check the latest Intel roadmap:

http://www.dvhardware.net/article27862.html

If you go to the original at Expreview, you will see that they never say that the "roadmap" is actually from Intel...
It has Expreview slapped across it for a reason...

 

[Hugh H]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Hugh H
Nah... a 2.66Ghz and a 2.93Ghz Nehalems (Bloomfield) will be available this fall along with the extreme chip. They will all be the same socket LGA 1366, which is considered the high-end one. The more mainstream chips and sockets will be the LGA 1160s, available in 2009.

Check the latest Intel roadmap:

http://www.dvhardware.net/article27862.html

If you go to the original at Expreview, you will see that they never say that the "roadmap" is actually from Intel...
It has Expreview slapped across it for a reason...

Yes... but you will still see 3 x Nehalems this year, not just the extreme. There are dozens of articles that say so, and I don't think all of them must be wrong. Besides, why only release one CPU of a brand new CPU line for months?

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
TBH I would say it is a good idea to wait for Nehalem, but then buy a well marked down chip of the current generation instead of paying twice as much for only a slight improvement.

Well this is the most convincing reply I've gotten. It hit home when I read it. Thank you BrownTown.

So my vote (and my wallet) goes to the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600.

:thumbsup:

 

[Arc 0V]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
1. SLI = no go with neha.

Actually that changed, a couple of sites showed that Nvidia will let Intel use its nForce 200 (I think that is the name) chips for SLI on the X58 mobos. Not much of a plus for me because I will probably be with ATI by that time .

But on the either you should buy this or that, I would say wait if you really REALLY want a Nehalem setup, otherwise just get a Q6600 with a good P45 mobo. P45 mobos are pretty cheap at the moment too.