Is it wrong to vote republican out of fear of losing ones job.

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: alchemize
Even communist cuba somehow manages to provide reasonable healthcare, so I don't quite follow your logic.

I am not against Universal healthcare, I am against people voting republican because they don't want it, since it will put them out of a job. Such an evil thing.

OK let's assume your logic is correct.

Auto Unions overwhelmingly vote democrat to protect their jobs, since lower prices that would benefit the consumer as a whole would cause them to lose their job. Such an evil thing. :roll:

Unions are different. They vote based on noble social issues. Voting based on the issue of Universal healthcare though is selfish and disturbing.

hahahaha. That must be the stupidest thing I've ever read. Unions vote based on their job security, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: UCDAggies

Originally posted by: senseamp
If I was a healthcare worker charging $1000 for a bag of water, I'd be voting to protect my little racket too.

Healthcare workers support this, but health insurance workers don't.

Nurses and doctors stand behind a 1 tier single payer Universal Healthcare.

Hold up, Sparky. In general, healthcare providers (doctors, nurses, allied health) support the basic principle of a universal healthcare system. But our support is roughly comparable to general opinions on 2008.

Do you want a Republican or Democrat to become President? Democrat wins.

Do you want Clinton? Nope
Do you want Obama? Nope
Do you want Edwards? Nope
Do you want Richardson? Who?
Do you want Kucinich? God bless you.

We need a 1 tier government run system and any doctor against it, is shamefull and shouldn't practice. He is allowing greed to kill his patients.

Well to be perfectly honest . . .

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. . . are primary examples of greed killing Americans. But each example has at least some element of free will. People make BAD lifestyle choices and the consequence is bad health outcomes.

IMHO, we should fund a system of basic health maintenance. The government basically provides for universal healthcare for children and then once you become an adult you still receive basic health maintenance through a primary care physician (checkups, vaccinations, screening exams, etc). The point is to keep people healthy (or less sick) which can be done for a reasonable cost. Alternatively, as long as the government is a key purchaser of healthcare resources (Medicare), it will remain one big feeding trough at the Treasury.

Private health insurance companies would be free to offer plans to provide extended healthcare coverage as long as they could not drop coverage AFTER people got sick. People with pre-existing conditions would likely require a public entity since no for-profit company would take them.

Regardless, many private insurance companies will go out of business b/c it's tough to make money on sick people . . . unless they are really well-off.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The true bottom line when it comers to voting is people vote for whoever or whatever party will meet there individual needs.

People rarely vote for which party will be best for the majority of people!!

Then when you involve losing ypour job becqause the people who are best qualified to lead the country want to do away with your job or related jobd...it all of a sudden becomes a survival matter.

After all if you vote for joe blow you lose your job and your mortgage and your car and your family......I see nobody patting you on the back for voting for the good of the nation......

But I do see you on the streets with a sign saying I voted For Hillary...please feed the poor and destitute...

 

[Genx87]

BBD I think that is something i could go for. Basic health screening and checkups. If you want more, you are free to purchase that.

The question for me of course is, will it cost more than the current system? I'd hate to shell out of 2K a year for basic health coverage through taxes and be forced to purchase anotuher 4K a year in extended coverage from a private insurer.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Genx87
BBD I think that is something i could go for. Basic health screening and checkups. If you want more, you are free to purchase that.

The question for me of course is, will it cost more than the current system? I'd hate to shell out of 2K a year for basic health coverage through taxes and be forced to purchase anotuher 4K a year in extended coverage from a private insurer.

It couldn't possibly cost more than the current system.

1) There would be A LOT of job losses related to administration of healthcare. But technically that's reduced cost.

2) Many insurance companies will crumble. Their model will NOT work if all of the kids in America get coverage from Uncle Sam. And if integrated with a national health savings account program (HSA) with rollover and tax benefits +/- catastrophic health plan . . . most healthy adults will no longer need as much from insurers as well. We are talking 10-15% of 1/7 of the US economy. A lot of job losses but again . . . technically that's reduced cost.

3) Government buying flu vaccine (and others) will drive the development of domestic infrastructure in vaccine design and production . . . that might come in handy some day. Regardless, we are talking hundreds of thousands fewer hospitalizations and likely tens of thousands of deaths from diseases preventable by vaccination. A lot of job losses but . . .

I could go on and on. The point is that focusing on prevention (in healthcare) is ridiculously cost effective. But likely will never happen b/c our current system is basically the polar opposite.

 

[airhd823]

I don't know whether you understand politics or not, but starting an issue where self-preservation is evil, is pure ignorance.

 

[chucky2]

I know it's not true, but does anyone get the feeling sometimes that the US is getting more and more communist?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: UCDAggies
I know people who work in the healthcare insurance industry and won't vote democrat because if democrats gain to much power everyone in the industry will be out of a job, since democrats are trying to order them to shut down. Personally I think it is selfish, caring more about your jobs, than other people. We need Universal Healthcare, and voting against it to protect one self is evil.

That is quite possibly the most ignorant political statement I've heard in a while. :thumbsdown:

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[UCDAggies]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: UCDAggies
I know people who work in the healthcare insurance industry and won't vote democrat because if democrats gain to much power everyone in the industry will be out of a job, since democrats are trying to order them to shut down. Personally I think it is selfish, caring more about your jobs, than other people. We need Universal Healthcare, and voting against it to protect one self is evil.

That is quite possibly the most ignorant political statement I've heard in a while. :thumbsdown:

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Read the whole state, I already posted an article which backs up what I said.

 

[airhd823]

I don't know whether you understand politics or not, but starting an issue where self-preservation is evil, is pure ignorance.

 

[airhd823]

You are probably the most ignorant person i have ever heard...no offense...

Hey, my local community college is sponsoring a class of Politics..

Might want to consider...That is if you have a job.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: chucky2
I know it's not true, but does anyone get the feeling sometimes that the US is getting more and more communist?

How is healthcare for all communist? give it a rest with the strawmen and the commie conspiracy theorys, zomg don't use the roads or teh mail they are communist!1!11!

And the tapwater, danger will robinson!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I hear that eating on a regular basis is a good idea.

 

[Arcex]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I hear that eating on a regular basis is a good idea.

Urban legend.


Seriously though, I work in a job that gets a large portion of our business from insurance companies and when it comesto universal healthcare I'd still vote early and often. But I don't see universal healthcare wiping out insurance companies in the first place, if they offer a better service there will still be people willing to pay them for it.

 

[FoBoT]

haha, that troll has moved to P&N , you guys can keep him

hahaha

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Arcex

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
I hear that eating on a regular basis is a good idea.

Urban legend.


Seriously though, I work in a job that gets a large portion of our business from insurance companies and when it comesto universal healthcare I'd still vote early and often. But I don't see universal healthcare wiping out insurance companies in the first place, if they offer a better service there will still be people willing to pay them for it.

The problem is that it's unlikely they will offer better service b/c that cuts into their profits. Administrative costs are highly variable but they typically exceed 12% for US insurance companies my guess is that much of that comes from underwriting, marketing, and corporate services. It's also in an insurance companies' financial interest to create a bureaucratic mess to delay payment . . . which means they hold onto premiums longer which improves their interest income.

If the government offers a tax-advantaged HSA (say up to $3k/yr per family member) then the only policy worth purchasing would be for catastrophic insurance. But that basically means for-profit companies would be on the hook for extremely expensive care but not have the benefit of premiums from the broad swath of the population that rarely uses such care (healthy people under 40).

I'm not saying its impossible for for-profit insurance to survive but it would be a very inhospitable climate.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: chucky2
I know it's not true, but does anyone get the feeling sometimes that the US is getting more and more communist?

How is healthcare for all communist? give it a rest with the strawmen and the commie conspiracy theorys, zomg don't use the roads or teh mail they are communist!1!11!

And the tapwater, danger will robinson!

No, I wasn't targeting health care specifically. But when so many services are propped up by the federal governament, or just straight out a government service, aren't we crossing the line into a communist type state?

My brain is fried after the week I just had, so I'm sorry if I'm not using the right word, maybe communist isn't right, but really, at what point do we stop having our federal government do/fund everything and start having state, local, or the citizens themselves take care of their own problems?

I want the Fed to take care of less and let my state and local make those decisions, as their more accountable to me. The Fed is this huge empty void where money just disappears...the less they get, the less they'll squander...

Chuck

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: UCDAggies
I know people who work in the healthcare insurance industry and won't vote democrat because if democrats gain to much power everyone in the industry will be out of a job, since democrats are trying to order them to shut down. Personally I think it is selfish, caring more about your jobs, than other people. We need Universal Healthcare, and voting against it to protect one self is evil.

I know people that feel forced to vote Democrat because of their teaching profession. They do get heavily pressured to do so... and even get quizzed after elections by "supposed" friends.

 

[piasabird]

Just the kind of Fear Mongering that is spread by the Democratic Party.

Democrats want to stop school lunches, pollute the environment and starve your grandparents.

 

[Arcex]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Just the kind of Fear Mongering that is spread by the Democratic Party.

Democrats want to stop school lunches, pollute the environment and starve your grandparents.

You forgot the part where they eat babies and rise from their crypts at night to feast on the blood of the living.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Just the kind of Fear Mongering that is spread by the Democratic Party.

Democrats want to stop school lunches, pollute the environment and starve your grandparents.

Well its better than fear mongering nappy headed ho's of the republican party who club baby seals while on holiday!

 

[imported_Equinox]

You forgot fueled by the souls of the damned. LOL

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

People vote for all sorts of reasons.

Is it wrong to vote a straight party ticket even if you don't know anything about the people you are voting for?

Is it wrong to vote for someone based on a single issue? (Abortion)

Is it wrong to vote for someone because you like them more?

Welcome back DVK916

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
People vote for all sorts of reasons.

Is it wrong to vote a straight party ticket even if you don't know anything about the people you are voting for?

...

That's for sure...the last presidential race, I heard two people talking in the booth behind me saying they were going to vote for Kerry because they didn't like the way Bush smiled.

Imagine those two votes being the ones to push someone over the edge if it ever came down to two votes for the winner. The figurehead of the US determined by the affect of his smile on two clueless people... :Q

Chuck

 

[Arcex]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
People vote for all sorts of reasons.

Is it wrong to vote a straight party ticket even if you don't know anything about the people you are voting for?

...

That's for sure...the last presidential race, I heard two people talking in the booth behind me saying they were going to vote for Kerry because they didn't like the way Bush smiled.

Imagine those two votes being the ones to push someone over the edge if it ever came down to two votes for the winner. The figurehead of the US determined by the affect of his smile on two clueless people... :Q

Chuck

Or maybe they are excellent judges of character with a native ability to determine a political candidates views based solely on physical mannerisms. Considering how Bush's presidency turned out I'd say they made the right choice.