Is Ivy Bridge the answer to AMD Bulldozer ?

[tweakboy]

So looks like at first AMD will sell 8 core bulldozers,

Ivy Bridge can be quad core or up to 12 cores. That is 24 logical cores for your hyperthreading needs.

Im sure initially theyll have a 8 core Ivy to compete against the 8 core Bulldozer. thx and gg

 

[Accord99]

Given the frequency and thermal headroom that Sandy Bridge CPUs currently has, I'd expect the answer to Bulldozer will be 125W higher frequency models on 1155 and 6-core Sandy Bridges on 2011.

Or Intel could shock everywhere and release a top-secret 6-core on 1155 to fill out the $500 bin they used to have on S1156.

 

[Edrick]

Actually, Intel will not have all the instruction sets that are in BD, until Haswell.

 

[Castiel]

There's too many variables...

What will BD's IPC be like?

How well will BD overclock compared to SB?

What i'm betting on is that the 8 core will definitely beat a 2600K but i'm not so sure about a 6 core.

As for BD compared to SB-E.. Eh... I see the 6 core SB beating the 8 core BD

 

[Phynaz]

Other way around...Bulldozer is AMD's answer to Nahalem.

 

[BD231]

Your question is better suited for Marty McFly or Christopher Lloyd in all honesty.

One only has to look at the sheer amount of hardware AMD has to throw at Intel just to compete, 8 CPU's??? Seriously???? You really need eight cores to be competitive AMD !?!?!?

We'll have to wait and see, as I think comparing it to Sandy Bridige is a bit of a stretch in itself.

 

[Idontcare]

Is Ivy Bridge the answer to AMD Bulldozer ?

Yes.

 

[PreferLinux]

No, SB-E is.

 

[tweakboy]

Its shocking that after coming out with a awesome CPU with sandy bridge how they upgrade soo quickly Now its the Ivy Bridge due later in 2011. Those will be 6 core CPU's that I think will beat the Bulldozer. thx and gg

 

[toyota]

Ivy Bridge will not be out in 2011.

 

[grimpr]

xbitlabs has system price positioning slides from amd.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ight_Core_i7_Sandy_Bridge_with_Bulldozer.html

 

[bandgit]

So by that graphic it seems that the FX-81x0 is set to compete with SB on LGA1155? Boooooooooooooooooring... I'll take a pass and a Valium, and I'll wait out the year to get the SB LGA2011s. The high end advantage goes to Intel... again... and it seems it's going to be that way for the rest of the decade!

 

[grimpr]

Congrats, but it seems that nobody cares in high end anymore and with a global economic crisis around, the 300$+ cpu market is practically dead for the average pc desktop.

Seems Intel is just about to find out.

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4213961/Analyst--Intel-may-miss-Q1-sales-target

 

[Dice144]

Whatever is the best CPU under $300 will be the one I get this summer. No need to spend a crazy amount on JUST the CPU.

 

[nonameo]

xbitlabs has system price positioning slides from amd.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ight_Core_i7_Sandy_Bridge_with_Bulldozer.html

The amd advantage at the upper end is that you have more cores overclocked???

:-/

 

[Rhoxed]

The amd advantage at the upper end is that you have more cores overclocked???

:-/

yea... there is ALOT of hype that is coming from nowhere (people WANTING BD to compete/beat intel) truth is.... its not. There is a good possibility of AMD closing a genertation gap, but when 2 gens behind, its not the bees knees.

Don't get me wrong, I'm and avid AMD supporter (i also have intel rigs, just older and less sig worthy) but they really don't have the resources Intel does to compete high end. Yes AMD nailed intel with A64 when they had netburst, but it is far and in-between when AMD can trounce Intel, and we are a couple years and a lucky break away from AMD topping Intel again, and if they do - it wont last.

 

[podspi]

Congrats, but it seems that nobody cares in high end anymore and with a global economic crisis around, the 300$+ cpu market is practically dead for the average pc desktop.

Seems Intel is just about to find out.

http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4213961/Analyst--Intel-may-miss-Q1-sales-target

Yes, that couldn't have anything to do with the huge Q1 recall... D:
Granted, they might also miss Intel's own guidance (which I think took the recall into account)...

xbitlabs has system price positioning slides from amd.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ight_Core_i7_Sandy_Bridge_with_Bulldozer.html

I wonder how accurate that graph is on the top end? I can't imagine multithreaded performance on the 8-core part being anywhere near the 2600K. I bet singlethread performance is lower than SB's, though. As some other people have mentioned on this forum, Thuban is in the same ballpark as the 2500K (for very threaded workloads only, of course) and a hypothetical 8-core K10.5 would be in the same ballpark as a 980X (again for very threaded workloads). I expect BD to bring improved IPC at least, and probably both better IPC and clockspeeds. Maybe BD will be popular for gamers who want to encode WHILE gaming?

Whatever is the best CPU under $300 will be the one I get this summer. No need to spend a crazy amount on JUST the CPU.

Yep... Really hoping for some unlockable BD-based hex-cores...

 

[itsmydamnation]

. Maybe BD will be popular for gamers who want to encode WHILE gaming?

I actually do that all the time, as my main rig is also my DLNA transcoding server for a whole bunch of devices.

 

[eternalone]

There will be no answer to Bulldozer it was predicted to destroy Intel by Nostradamus.

 

[RussianSensation]

If AMD's 6- and 8-core BD chips are able to compete with the 2600k, you can kiss good-bye to $170-200 AMD chip pricing for those high end parts. AMD isn't just going to give away equal or better performance at lower prices. Therefore, even if the 8-core part can surpass the 2600k (for example), it will likely be priced higher as well (especially if the performance advantage is substantial).

On average the 2600k is about 30% faster than an X6 @ 3.3ghz. This means that even if BD improves its performance per clock by 20% over Phenom II, a 6-core BD might just barely match the 2600k. Of course Intel can easily drop the price and release its own 6- and 8-core chips.

However, with SSDs and videocards still providing the most performance increase per dollar, the importance of CPU speed will remain secondary to those 2 components next 2-3 years imho (at least not until games become a lot more intensive). I can definitely see a Core i7 920 / 930 / 860 / 870 system @ 3.8-4.0 ghz lasting another 2-3 years for most people. Of course there is always the upgrade bug for fun .

 

[Accord99]

Congrats, but it seems that nobody cares in high end anymore and with a global economic crisis around, the 300$+ cpu market is practically dead for the average pc desktop.

The problem is if the market for $300 CPUs is weak, then whoever has the more powerful $300 CPU can easily make it the most powerful $200 CPU by cutting the price.

 

[AtenRa]

IB will replace SB for the 1155 socket and it will not have more than 4 cores 8 threads (HT) when it will launch (probably Q1 2011).

SB-E will replace the 1366 socket for High End market in Q4 2011 and probably will regain the performance crown from BD.

At the launch day BD will only have to compete against SB CPUs so I expect lower clocks at first and a second release of CPUs (Higher Clocked) when SB-E will be launched in Q4 2011.

If the bellow diagram is authentic, then I could say that we will see a $200-250 6 core and $300-350 8 core BD at launch.

 

[Castiel]

xbitlabs has system price positioning slides from amd.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ight_Core_i7_Sandy_Bridge_with_Bulldozer.html

If that graph is accurate then I was correct with my assumption that bulldozer doesn't even come.close to the IPC of sandy bridge. Talk about FAIL amd. 8 cores to beat 4? Pathetic

 

[JFAMD]

Your question is better suited for Marty McFly or Christopher Lloyd in all honesty.

One only has to look at the sheer amount of hardware AMD has to throw at Intel just to compete, 8 CPU's??? Seriously???? You really need eight cores to be competitive AMD !?!?!?

We'll have to wait and see, as I think comparing it to Sandy Bridige is a bit of a stretch in itself.

I think you are missing the point. Why aren't you saying look how high intel needs to clock fewer cores to keep up with AMD? And both statements are not very smart.

There are 2 different philosophies at play here and neither is right and neither is wrong.

One will fit your needs and one will not. Choose the one that works for you.

The question to ask is for your budget, what is the best product. Figure that out, buy it. Period.

 

[Castiel]

I think you are missing the point. Why aren't you saying look how high intel needs to clock fewer cores to keep up with AMD? And both statements are not very smart.

Look at the TDP of the top of the line 8 core BD. You actually think it's going to be clocked low compared to the 2600K? I'm willing to bet the 8130 will be clocked at 3.4ghz or higher